Bernard Hopkins

[ICB]

There can be a multitude of reasons. You can train the same for every fight but the body won't always recuperate the same speed or be in the same condition. I didn't say bhop trained less for Calzaghe than he did kelly, I'm just saying it's pretty obvious his body was in much better condition.

It's also very possible he kept himself in better shape before training camp than he did before the Calzaghe training camp. But it's obvious he was in better shape. He fought at a much higher pace without getting tired, thats a fact.

But against calzaghe he fought at a very slow pace, had a ton of breaks, but still managed to get tired. This isn't rocket science.. all we're doing is putting facts together guys.

Hopkins vs. Calzaghe Official Weigh In at Planet Hollywood Resort - Pictures - Zimbio

HBO: Boxing: PPV: Pavlik vs. Hopkins: OFFICIAL WEIGH-IN

[intoccabile]

There can be a multitude of reasons. You can train the same for every fight but the body won't always recuperate the same speed or be in the same condition. I didn't say bhop trained less for Calzaghe than he did kelly, I'm just saying it's pretty obvious his body was in much better condition.

It's also very possible he kept himself in better shape before training camp than he did before the Calzaghe training camp. But it's obvious he was in better shape. He fought at a much higher pace without getting tired, thats a fact.

But against calzaghe he fought at a very slow pace, had a ton of breaks, but still managed to get tired. This isn't rocket science.. all we're doing is putting facts together guys.

Hopkins vs. Calzaghe Official Weigh In at Planet Hollywood Resort - Pictures - Zimbio

HBO: Boxing: PPV: Pavlik vs. Hopkins: OFFICIAL WEIGH-IN

I had no idea pictures could show you if someones cardio is the same or not, rofl.
Do you run? train? workout of any sort?

Do you know what your good and bad days are?
You ever go running one day and do terrible in comparison to what you usually do and tell
yourself " whats wrong with me today? " Then bounce back strong the next?

Or you ever run one day and for some reason just never feel tired or just run more miles
than usual, but can't seem to do it the next?

The body is mysterious, isn't it?
Fighters often times have the same problem.
If you can barely WALK a mile one day.. then you can RUN a mile the next with no problems,
it's pretty obvious what day your lungs were the best fit for excercise.

Hopkins couldn't walk 7 rounds with plenty of breaks against calzaghe.
But he could run 12 rounds with no breaks against pavlik at a much heaviar
workrate. I'm done replying -.-; You fanboys are a mess.

[ICB]

There can be a multitude of reasons. You can train the same for every fight but the body won't always recuperate the same speed or be in the same condition. I didn't say bhop trained less for Calzaghe than he did kelly, I'm just saying it's pretty obvious his body was in much better condition.

It's also very possible he kept himself in better shape before training camp than he did before the Calzaghe training camp. But it's obvious he was in better shape. He fought at a much higher pace without getting tired, thats a fact.

But against calzaghe he fought at a very slow pace, had a ton of breaks, but still managed to get tired. This isn't rocket science.. all we're doing is putting facts together guys.

Hopkins vs. Calzaghe Official Weigh In at Planet Hollywood Resort - Pictures - Zimbio

HBO: Boxing: PPV: Pavlik vs. Hopkins: OFFICIAL WEIGH-IN

I had no idea pictures could show you if someones cardio is the same or not, rofl.
Do you run? train? workout of any sort?

Do you know what your good and bad days are?
You ever go running one day and do terrible in comparison to what you usually do and tell
yourself " whats wrong with me today? " Then bounce back strong the next?

Or you ever run one day and for some reason just never feel tired or just run more miles
than usual, but can't seem to do it the next?

The body is mysterious, isn't it?
Fighters often times have the same problem.
If you can barely WALK a mile one day.. then you can RUN a mile the next with no problems,
it's pretty obvious what day your lungs were the best fit for excercise.

Hopkins couldn't walk 7 rounds with plenty of breaks against calzaghe.
But he could run 12 rounds with no breaks against pavlik at a much heaviar
workrate. I'm done replying -.-; You fanboys are a mess.

Uhh your talking out your ass now and don't even try and be sarcastic with me. I actually do Amateur boxing and have had 4 fights, you said his body looked in better shape did you not ? i showed you the evidence which clearly shows his body looked no different.

And secondly im not even Joe Calzaghe fan so you can stop calling me a fan boy, the fact is Joe Calzaghe forced a much higher tempo fight based on Joe Calzaghe being more skilled fighter. Joe Calzaghe used angles, he has much faster handspeed, much faster footwork, and better variety of punches, basically a much better all round fighter than Kelly Pavlik.

Plus Joe Calzaghe threw 707 punches and Kelly Pavlik only threw 463, and amazingly Bernard Hopkins had a higher workrate against Kelly Pavlik, do you see what people are saying now ? Kelly Pavlik fought Bernard Hopkins slow pace kind of a fight never forcing him to work.

Where as Joe Calzaghe forced Bernard Hopkins too work much more, and disrupted Bernard Hopkins rhythm and trapped him on the ropes. Something Kelly Pavlik could never do in the entire fight, all your trying to do is try and discredit and take away Joe Calzaghe's win over Bernard Hopkins.

This nonsense about Bernard Hopkins radically training completely different or having a bad training schedule is what i just said nonsense. Bernard Hopkins has never ever come into a fight not completely 100 percent ready to fight, except for the fight with Segundo Mercado, because like i said he didn't get properly climatized to the high altitude. But Bernard Hopkins himself never made that excuse that he wasn't 100 percent against Joe Calzaghe so why should you ?

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Hopkins vs. Calzaghe Official Weigh In at Planet Hollywood Resort - Pictures - Zimbio

HBO: Boxing: PPV: Pavlik vs. Hopkins: OFFICIAL WEIGH-IN

I had no idea pictures could show you if someones cardio is the same or not, rofl.
Do you run? train? workout of any sort?

Do you know what your good and bad days are?
You ever go running one day and do terrible in comparison to what you usually do and tell
yourself " whats wrong with me today? " Then bounce back strong the next?

Or you ever run one day and for some reason just never feel tired or just run more miles
than usual, but can't seem to do it the next?

The body is mysterious, isn't it?
Fighters often times have the same problem.
If you can barely WALK a mile one day.. then you can RUN a mile the next with no problems,
it's pretty obvious what day your lungs were the best fit for excercise.

Hopkins couldn't walk 7 rounds with plenty of breaks against calzaghe.
But he could run 12 rounds with no breaks against pavlik at a much heaviar
workrate. I'm done replying -.-; You fanboys are a mess.

Uhh your talking out your ass now and don't even try and be sarcastic with me. I actually do Amateur boxing and have had 4 fights, you said his body looked in better shape did you not ? i showed you the evidence which clearly shows his body looked no different.

And secondly im not even Joe Calzaghe fan so you can stop calling me a fan boy, the fact is Joe Calzaghe forced a much higher tempo fight based on Joe Calzaghe being more skilled fighter. Joe Calzaghe used angles and has much faster handspeed than Kelly Pavlik, much faster footwork, and better variety of punches, basically a much better all round fighter than Kelly Pavlik

Plus Joe Calzaghe threw 707 punches and Kelly Pavlik only threw 463, and amazingly Bernard Hopkins had a higher workrate against Kelly Pavlik, do you see what people are saying now ? Kelly Pavlik fought Bernard Hopkins slow pace kind of a fight never forcing him to work.

Where as Joe Calzaghe forced Bernard Hopkins too work much more, and disrupted Bernard Hopkins rhythm and trapped him on the ropes. Something Kelly Pavlik could never do in the entire fight, all your trying to do is try and discredit and take away Joe Calzaghe's win over Bernard Hopkins.

This nonsense about Bernard Hopkins radically training completely different is complete nonsese. Bernard Hopkins has never ever come into a fight not completely 100 percent, except for the fight with Segundo Mercado, because like i said he didn't get properly climatized to the high altitude. And Bernard Hopkins himself never made that excuse he wasn't 100 percent against Joe Calzaghe so why should you ?

When did you see me say his body VISUALLY LOOKED in better shape?
I said it was obvious his body was in better condition. You, having done amateur boxing, should know how many grounds that covers more than ANYONE. When I said he looked in much better condition, i don't mean visually. I mean the fact that he was able to work harder for longer. I've only been disputing his cardio, not how he looked, so how could you even confuse the two?!

And again, where did you see me say Bernard trained completely different? Stop putting words in my mouth. I've always seen the point people are trying to make from Calzaghe to Pavlik, but people are entirely missing MINE. Regardless of how many punches Joe through, with zero conviction, the pace was still much slower on Hopkins part and he didn't tire, it's that simple.

I'm currently training to turn pro and making the transition very soon, and I'll be the first to say that my training doesn't need to change for me to feel god awful one day then like god the next. I can cover a ton of ground one day, then hardly any another. That's how the body works. I never took anything from Calzaghe, I just tossed another perspective up there for the OP - one that many of you can't seem to grasp. You included, and no.. that's not sarcasm. I'm a very literal guy, I don't candy coat anything I say so don't assume I'm being sarcastic with you.

[Kev]

I had no idea pictures could show you if someones cardio is the same or not, rofl.
Do you run? train? workout of any sort?

Do you know what your good and bad days are?
You ever go running one day and do terrible in comparison to what you usually do and tell
yourself " whats wrong with me today? " Then bounce back strong the next?

Or you ever run one day and for some reason just never feel tired or just run more miles
than usual, but can't seem to do it the next?

The body is mysterious, isn't it?
Fighters often times have the same problem.
If you can barely WALK a mile one day.. then you can RUN a mile the next with no problems,
it's pretty obvious what day your lungs were the best fit for excercise.

Hopkins couldn't walk 7 rounds with plenty of breaks against calzaghe.
But he could run 12 rounds with no breaks against pavlik at a much heaviar
workrate. I'm done replying -.-; You fanboys are a mess.

Uhh your talking out your ass now and don't even try and be sarcastic with me. I actually do Amateur boxing and have had 4 fights, you said his body looked in better shape did you not ? i showed you the evidence which clearly shows his body looked no different.

And secondly im not even Joe Calzaghe fan so you can stop calling me a fan boy, the fact is Joe Calzaghe forced a much higher tempo fight based on Joe Calzaghe being more skilled fighter. Joe Calzaghe used angles and has much faster handspeed than Kelly Pavlik, much faster footwork, and better variety of punches, basically a much better all round fighter than Kelly Pavlik

Plus Joe Calzaghe threw 707 punches and Kelly Pavlik only threw 463, and amazingly Bernard Hopkins had a higher workrate against Kelly Pavlik, do you see what people are saying now ? Kelly Pavlik fought Bernard Hopkins slow pace kind of a fight never forcing him to work.

Where as Joe Calzaghe forced Bernard Hopkins too work much more, and disrupted Bernard Hopkins rhythm and trapped him on the ropes. Something Kelly Pavlik could never do in the entire fight, all your trying to do is try and discredit and take away Joe Calzaghe's win over Bernard Hopkins.

This nonsense about Bernard Hopkins radically training completely different is complete nonsese. Bernard Hopkins has never ever come into a fight not completely 100 percent, except for the fight with Segundo Mercado, because like i said he didn't get properly climatized to the high altitude. And Bernard Hopkins himself never made that excuse he wasn't 100 percent against Joe Calzaghe so why should you ?

When did you see me say his body VISUALLY LOOKED in better shape?
I said it was obvious his body was in better condition. You, having done amateur boxing, should know how many grounds that covers more than ANYONE. When I said he looked in much better condition, i don't mean visually. I mean the fact that he was able to work harder for longer. I've only been disputing his cardio, not how he looked, so how could you even confuse the two?!

And again, where did you see me say Bernard trained completely different? Stop putting words in my mouth. I've always seen the point people are trying to make from Calzaghe to Pavlik, but people are entirely missing MINE. Regardless of how many punches Joe through, with zero conviction, the pace was still much slower on Hopkins part and he didn't tire, it's that simple.

I'm currently training to turn pro and making the transition very soon, and I'll be the first to say that my training doesn't need to change for me to feel god awful one day then like god the next. I can cover a ton of ground one day, then hardly any another. That's how the body works. I never took anything from Calzaghe, I just tossed another perspective up there for the OP - one that many of you can't seem to grasp. You included, and no.. that's not sarcasm. I'm a very literal guy, I don't candy coat anything I say so don't assume I'm being sarcastic with you.

If that is literally true then I'd see a doctor. Variations in fitness on a daily basis are to be expected but regularly feeling terrible and unable to train even though you are physically fit sounds like a potentially serious health problem. You could be diabetic or something. Either that or you are overtraining and have no idea how to structure a proper training program.

[intoccabile]

Uhh your talking out your ass now and don't even try and be sarcastic with me. I actually do Amateur boxing and have had 4 fights, you said his body looked in better shape did you not ? i showed you the evidence which clearly shows his body looked no different.

And secondly im not even Joe Calzaghe fan so you can stop calling me a fan boy, the fact is Joe Calzaghe forced a much higher tempo fight based on Joe Calzaghe being more skilled fighter. Joe Calzaghe used angles and has much faster handspeed than Kelly Pavlik, much faster footwork, and better variety of punches, basically a much better all round fighter than Kelly Pavlik

Plus Joe Calzaghe threw 707 punches and Kelly Pavlik only threw 463, and amazingly Bernard Hopkins had a higher workrate against Kelly Pavlik, do you see what people are saying now ? Kelly Pavlik fought Bernard Hopkins slow pace kind of a fight never forcing him to work.

Where as Joe Calzaghe forced Bernard Hopkins too work much more, and disrupted Bernard Hopkins rhythm and trapped him on the ropes. Something Kelly Pavlik could never do in the entire fight, all your trying to do is try and discredit and take away Joe Calzaghe's win over Bernard Hopkins.

This nonsense about Bernard Hopkins radically training completely different is complete nonsese. Bernard Hopkins has never ever come into a fight not completely 100 percent, except for the fight with Segundo Mercado, because like i said he didn't get properly climatized to the high altitude. And Bernard Hopkins himself never made that excuse he wasn't 100 percent against Joe Calzaghe so why should you ?

When did you see me say his body VISUALLY LOOKED in better shape?
I said it was obvious his body was in better condition. You, having done amateur boxing, should know how many grounds that covers more than ANYONE. When I said he looked in much better condition, i don't mean visually. I mean the fact that he was able to work harder for longer. I've only been disputing his cardio, not how he looked, so how could you even confuse the two?!

And again, where did you see me say Bernard trained completely different? Stop putting words in my mouth. I've always seen the point people are trying to make from Calzaghe to Pavlik, but people are entirely missing MINE. Regardless of how many punches Joe through, with zero conviction, the pace was still much slower on Hopkins part and he didn't tire, it's that simple.

I'm currently training to turn pro and making the transition very soon, and I'll be the first to say that my training doesn't need to change for me to feel god awful one day then like god the next. I can cover a ton of ground one day, then hardly any another. That's how the body works. I never took anything from Calzaghe, I just tossed another perspective up there for the OP - one that many of you can't seem to grasp. You included, and no.. that's not sarcasm. I'm a very literal guy, I don't candy coat anything I say so don't assume I'm being sarcastic with you.

If that is literally true then I'd see a doctor. Variations in fitness on a daily basis are to be expected but regularly feeling terrible and unable to train even though you are physically fit sounds like a potentially serious health problem. You could be diabetic or something. Either that or you are overtraining and have no idea how to structure a proper training program.

Sigh.
It was a figure of speach man, rofl.
But seriously, everyone has there good days and bad days.
I run 5 laps around the philadelphia zoo every other day before I head to work then gym.
That's aobut 4 in a half miles roughly with some nasty up hills in the last stretch.
Some days I do it easily other days I feel it a little more than I'd want to. Every athlete goes through it. Hence the saying " i just didn't feel right today.." etc etc.

Its not like I can run one day then fall out the next, lol. It's just a "feeling" that just isn't the same as it is on good days, is all. Has alot to do with what I eat the night before aswell.

But whatever hopkins excuse for fatiguing while walking one day then remaining fresh while running another, we'll just all have to agree to disagree i guess. Because this is going no where.

[Kev]

When did you see me say his body VISUALLY LOOKED in better shape?
I said it was obvious his body was in better condition. You, having done amateur boxing, should know how many grounds that covers more than ANYONE. When I said he looked in much better condition, i don't mean visually. I mean the fact that he was able to work harder for longer. I've only been disputing his cardio, not how he looked, so how could you even confuse the two?!

And again, where did you see me say Bernard trained completely different? Stop putting words in my mouth. I've always seen the point people are trying to make from Calzaghe to Pavlik, but people are entirely missing MINE. Regardless of how many punches Joe through, with zero conviction, the pace was still much slower on Hopkins part and he didn't tire, it's that simple.

I'm currently training to turn pro and making the transition very soon, and I'll be the first to say that my training doesn't need to change for me to feel god awful one day then like god the next. I can cover a ton of ground one day, then hardly any another. That's how the body works. I never took anything from Calzaghe, I just tossed another perspective up there for the OP - one that many of you can't seem to grasp. You included, and no.. that's not sarcasm. I'm a very literal guy, I don't candy coat anything I say so don't assume I'm being sarcastic with you.

If that is literally true then I'd see a doctor. Variations in fitness on a daily basis are to be expected but regularly feeling terrible and unable to train even though you are physically fit sounds like a potentially serious health problem. You could be diabetic or something. Either that or you are overtraining and have no idea how to structure a proper training program.

Sigh.
It was a figure of speach man, rofl.
But seriously, everyone has there good days and bad days.
I run 5 laps around the philadelphia zoo every other day before I head to work then gym.
That's aobut 4 in a half miles roughly with some nasty up hills in the last stretch.
Some days I do it easily other days I feel it a little more than I'd want to. Every athlete goes through it. Hence the saying " i just didn't feel right today.." etc etc.

Its not like I can run one day then fall out the next, lol. It's just a "feeling" that just isn't the same as it is on good days, is all. Has alot to do with what I eat the night before aswell.

But whatever hopkins excuse for fatiguing while walking one day then remaining fresh while running another, we'll just all have to agree to disagree i guess. Because this is going no where.

I figured you were just exaggerating but then you made a point of saying 'no.. that's not sarcasm. I'm a very literal guy, I don't candy coat anything I say so don't assume I'm being sarcastic with you.' so I figured maybe you were being serious.