IMO Hopkins won back what he never really lost last night....

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

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Originally Posted by rjj tszyu

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

umm well most people i know would disagree that Taylor won either one of those fights, at best Taylor deserved a draw for the first fight and clearly lost the second fight, RJJ was more talented in the way he would win when he was at lightheavy, but on level of competition no, B-Hop has beaten more talented fighters while they are in their prime and he's far away from his, than RJJ has

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A young 24 year old RJJ with only one hand schooled a mature 28 year old Hopkins. That win is probably better than any of Hopkins' wins and then a year later he took apart p4p no.1 James Toney with ease. Another that for me Hopkins has never matched. I also wouldn't fancy Hopkins' chances against Ruiz. He is clearly better p4p but in an actual matchup my money would be on Ruiz. People quite often underrate Jones' opposition.

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no doubt that Jones has had great opposition but the number of quality opponents isn't as high as Hopkins, yes Jones beat a 28 yr old Hopkins, but it's also well known that B-Hop as he proved on Saturday, only seems to get better with age, i've always felt that since Hopkins beat Tito back in 2001 that if he was given the chance at a rematch with Jones that he would have either taken him to the limit unlike ever opponent besides Tarver, or he would have beaten him, and in this point in time i don't think RJJ can beat B-Hop

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I would have still had Jones beating him in 2001. Maybe not now but certainly then because i think Jones was clearly still no.1 p4p and for me noone below cruiser weight could have took him at that point. In fact I think Jones may school him even now. I heard an interview with Hopkins on setanta the other week in which he said something along the lines of: Jones will beat Calzaghe he is the only man to really beat me and he will beat Calzaghe.

That to me is the talk of a man who even all these years later doesn't truly believe he can beat jones. And don't forget he didn't just beat him he got a UD with one hand. EASY EASY EASY

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Originally Posted by ICB

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Originally Posted by Markusdarkus

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Originally Posted by RozzySean

He never had Hopkins hurt. Sure he "landed" double...according to compubox, but he landed very few clean, effective shots. Hopkins landed far more clean, effective shot, but Calzaghe threw so many more it was hard to tell. It was a very close fight, and you can certainly make a legit case for Hopkins.

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You need to watch rd 11 when Hopkins was hit right hook to body gasped then feined low blow.

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Joe Calzaghe may not be a puncher anymore but he is an underrated body puncher, he hurt Mikkel Kessler with a similar shot aswell.

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Jim Lamply:

"Weather Bernard admits it or not he was hurt in this fight"

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Originally Posted by Markusdarkus

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Originally Posted by ICB

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You need to watch rd 11 when Hopkins was hit right hook to body gasped then feined low blow.

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Joe Calzaghe may not be a puncher anymore but he is an underrated body puncher, he hurt Mikkel Kessler with a similar shot aswell.

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Jim Lamply:

"Weather Bernard admits it or not he was hurt in this fight"

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you actually taking anything Lamply says seriously or as an actual fact lets me know all i have to know bout you and your credibility :-X

And you can also make a legit case that calzaghe won unanimously by 116-111 or 115-112.

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Of course he won he landed double and had Hopkins badly hurt in the 11th.

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He never had Hopkins hurt. Sure he "landed" double...according to compubox, but he landed very few clean, effective shots. Hopkins landed far more clean, effective shot, but Calzaghe threw so many more it was hard to tell. It was a very close fight, and you can certainly make a legit case for Hopkins.

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You need to watch rd 11 when Hopkins was hit right hook to body gasped then feined low blow.

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yea the same 11th round where Calzaghe did his gay national pride dance and grinded up on B-Hop's ass :-X

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Let's not over exaggerate Hopkins' victory. Jermain Taylor BEAT Hopkins twice. RJJ is better P4P all-time than Hopkins, and the best P4P fighter right now is Manny Pacquiao with Bernard in second.

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umm well most people i know would disagree that Taylor won either one of those fights, at best Taylor deserved a draw for the first fight and clearly lost the second fight, RJJ was more talented in the way he would win when he was at lightheavy, but on level of competition no, B-Hop has beaten more talented fighters while they are in their prime and he's far away from his, than RJJ has

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For me B-Hop lost in my eyes in a very close fight with Taylor (twice) and with winky I had him in a 115-113 but with JC B-hop lost it with a wider margin in a way that I just can't imagine anyone seeing another way.

but oh man poor Kelly P he got a Picaso painted on his face.

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Originally Posted by ICB

Taeth i have to disagree with you here majority of websites and ringside viewers, had JMM winning the 2nd fight. It was close enough that it could of gone either way, but i also thought JMM won by 1 point just like i thought he won by 1 point in the first fight.

• Most boxing experts had Marquez winning over Pacquiao:

- Associated Press:114-113 Marquez
- Joe Santoliquito:115-112 Marquez
- Dan Rafael, ESPN.com: 114-113 Marquez
- Darius Ortiz, ESPN.com:114-113 Marquez
- Eric Raskin, ESPN.com:114-113 Marquez
- Brian Kenny, Friday Night Fights:115-112 Marquez
- Scott Mallon, Ring Magazine / Boxing News / The Fist / Boxing Digest:114-113 Marquez
- Yahoo Sports:115-112 Marquez
- Fight News.com:115-112 Marquez
- Steve Carp, Las Vegas Review Journal: 114-113 Marquez
- Norm Fraunheim, Arizona Republic:114-113 Marquez
- Rich Marrotta, Top Rank TV:114-113 Marquez
- Kieran Mulvaney, Reuters:114-113 Marquez
- DogHouseBoxing:114-113 Marquez
- Brett Conway, MaxBoxing.com:114-113 Marquez
- Rick Reeno, BoxingScene.com:114-113 Marquez
- Gary Randall, MaxBoxing.com:114-113 Marquez
- Bart Barry, 15Rounds.com:115-113 Marquez
- Bruce McTavish, International Judge:115-112 Marquez
- Francis Ochoa, Philippine Daily Inquirer:114-113 Marquez
- Scott Christ, BadLeftHook.com:114-113 Marquez
- William Detloff, The Ring Magazine:115-113 Marquez
- Ron Borges, TheSweetScience.com:114-113 Marquez
- Bert Sugar:Marquez
- Max Kellerman & Bob Papa:Marquez in both fights
- Nonito Donaire:114-113 Marquez
- Filipino Sports Analysts Ronnie Nathanielsz, Recah Trinidad and Ed Picson all picked Marquez.

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Cracking post to prove a point mate!

Id rep you if i could but i still dont know how to do it yet, please someone tell me how i can give green reps???