Ted Kennedy was a bastard and now he's dead!

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Originally Posted by RozzySean

I like the international perspective when I talk politics here. I also feel the need to be reasonable voice between Lyle (who seems to be moving more and more to the right) and large contingency of people on the left and far left.

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I used to enjoy discussing these types of things on here, but I've found that people (including myself) tend to get far too worked up over it. I do enjoy having these types of discussions with people in real life, so maybe it's just the medium that's the issue for me.

I do enjoy reading other peoples opinions though, even if they're directly opposed to my own. I find it gives me perspective and either strengthens my own views or forces my to justify them.

I usually don't get into this types of discussions here since I come here mainly for boxing talk. But Jazmerkin is right, it seems a little bit tasteless to revel in someone's death whether or not you agree with their political affiliations or not.

As someone pointed out, if Reagan had died this year and someone boastfully brag and cheer about it, it would still be considered extremely distasteful.

That's because Reagan was a decent guy

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Originally Posted by Lyle

That's because Reagan was a decent guy

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Well, sure, once you forget that his policies in Nicaragua and El Savador (and other Latin Countries) were responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths in support of corrupt fascist regimes. He probably could have saved us some trouble if he would have understood the big picture in Afghanistan.

Oh, and that whole Iran-Contra thing. I'm sure he knew nothing about that. It was all Ollie North.

As I recall, Reagan's deregulation has a little to do with the S and L debacle.

You can completely vilify in for this stuff. Or you can have some perspective.

Of course you'll have to have the last word. Teddy and Reagan were both great Americans. They had different visions and ideologies, but they both tried to do what was best for the country. At the end of the day, Reagan was responsible for the deaths of more innocent people than the Son of Sam, but that's part of being president sometimes. He thought he was doing right.

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Originally Posted by Andre

Actually I just heard that some old lady is selling the grave plot on top of Marylin monroe and the bids are at 4 mill. You can in effect be buried face down on top of Marylin.

That what they should of done for Ted.

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why not, everyone else had a go.

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Originally Posted by generalbulldog

I usually don't get into this types of discussions here since I come here mainly for boxing talk. But Jazmerkin is right, it seems a little bit tasteless to revel in someone's death whether or not you agree with their political affiliations or not.

As someone pointed out, if Reagan had died this year and someone boastfully brag and cheer about it, it would still be considered extremely distasteful.

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Really? See the place go mental when Khan/Warren etc kick it.:cool:

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Originally Posted by RozzySean

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by miles

I actually quite agree with you on this thread, Lyle. I don't buy into the whole Kennedy family nonsense at all. Ted Kennedy might have had his good points but he was a grossly flawed character, much like the rest of them.

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I do appreciate the support I get in this thread when I get it, thank you miles.

As an American I can just tell you I always found it very disturbing that anyone would ever bestow the title "America's Royal Family" to any family....how do you think any of the Founding Fathers would treat that? I think fellow Bostonian and agitator of the British Samuel Adams would have a fucking fit over such a frivilous title being given to the Kennedy's and I am sure Sam Adams wouldn't have been alone in his dislike of that kind of bullshit media hype.

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That "Royal Family" stuff kills me. The whole idea of royalty goes against everything for which this country stands. Call "American's more influential/well recognized/something else family", but we have no royalty here and it's actually an insult to them to call them royalty. Sam, George, TJ and the rest would not be happy about this.

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When did TJ Hooker get elected? I know it's a bit mental of you to let a really bad actor get the top job but Shatner did some good work before this?:o

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

Meh, I didn't even celebrate Reagan's death but to each his own I guess. I do believe you should say about dead people what you did when they were alive. Seriously though I doubt you care that much about Chappaquiddick really.

To me he was the greatest of the Kennedy brothers. Not a big fan of JFK or Bobby really.

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Originally Posted by RozzySean

Well, sure, once you forget that his policies in Nicaragua and El Savador (and other Latin Countries) were responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths in support of corrupt fascist regimes. He probably could have saved us some trouble if he would have understood the big picture in Afghanistan.

Oh, and that whole Iran-Contra thing. I'm sure he knew nothing about that. It was all Ollie North.

As I recall, Reagan's deregulation has a little to do with the S and L debacle.

You can completely vilify in for this stuff. Or you can have some perspective.

Of course you'll have to have the last word. Teddy and Reagan were both great Americans. They had different visions and ideologies, but they both tried to do what was best for the country. At the end of the day, Reagan was responsible for the deaths of more innocent people than the Son of Sam, but that's part of being president sometimes. He thought he was doing right.

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....did Ronald Reagan personally kill anyone?

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Originally Posted by Lyle

....did Ronald Reagan personally kill anyone?

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did Hitler? or Charles Manson?

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Originally Posted by Youngblood

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....did Ronald Reagan personally kill anyone?

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did Hitler? or Charles Manson?

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Owned by a 15 year old ;D

1 woman in a car accident who he may or may not have been knocking off vs. 78million in WW2.

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It's a head scratcher for sure.

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Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy

1 woman in a car accident who he may or may not have been knocking off vs. 78million in WW2.

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It's a head scratcher for sure.

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Close but no cigar, ( in a Bill Clinton type of way ) .


Head scratcher, Or head giver (they did drive off a bridge).

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Originally Posted by Youngblood

did Hitler? or Charles Manson?

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....OK so you think Ronald Reagan ordered people to be killed first hand?


Either way it doesn't change what happened at Chappaquiddick

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did Hitler? or Charles Manson?

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....OK so you think Ronald Reagan ordered people to be killed first hand?


Either way it doesn't change what happened at Chappaquiddick

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You're right, he was probably thinking there wouldn't be a single casualty :rolleyes:

You're right it doesn't change what happened there, but it kind of shoots down your theory that Reagan was a decent guy if we apply the same standards that you do to Ted Kennedy.