Ted Kennedy was a bastard and now he's dead!

[Youngblood]

....did Ronald Reagan personally kill anyone?

did Hitler? or Charles Manson?

[JazMerkin]

....did Ronald Reagan personally kill anyone?

did Hitler? or Charles Manson?

Owned by a 15 year old

[Howlin Mad Missy]

1 woman in a car accident who he may or may not have been knocking off vs. 78million in WW2.



It's a head scratcher for sure.

[Andre]

1 woman in a car accident who he may or may not have been knocking off vs. 78million in WW2.



It's a head scratcher for sure.

Close but no cigar, ( in a Bill Clinton type of way ) .


Head scratcher, Or head giver (they did drive off a bridge).

[El Kabong]

did Hitler? or Charles Manson?

....OK so you think Ronald Reagan ordered people to be killed first hand?


Either way it doesn't change what happened at Chappaquiddick

[JazMerkin]

did Hitler? or Charles Manson?

....OK so you think Ronald Reagan ordered people to be killed first hand?


Either way it doesn't change what happened at Chappaquiddick

You're right, he was probably thinking there wouldn't be a single casualty

You're right it doesn't change what happened there, but it kind of shoots down your theory that Reagan was a decent guy if we apply the same standards that you do to Ted Kennedy.

[Andre]

No person in any government position is a decent guy, who are we they fooling here?

[Gandalf]

No person in any government position is a decent guy, who are we they fooling here?

I like the gist of this, Andre. People debating a politician and how worthy he was? He was a politician so the debate ends there. Lyle is right in some sad respects, just look at Obama....dillying and dallying and coming across as the complete politician that he is....

Clever people never run for office nor congress and that is a fact.

[Youngblood]

did Hitler? or Charles Manson?

....OK so you think Ronald Reagan ordered people to be killed first hand?


Either way it doesn't change what happened at Chappaquiddick

You're right, he was probably thinking there wouldn't be a single casualty

You're right it doesn't change what happened there, but it kind of shoots down your theory that Reagan was a decent guy if we apply the same standards that you do to Ted Kennedy.

Thats exactly right. Just exposing a very flawed arguement is all.

[RozzySean]

did Hitler? or Charles Manson?

....OK so you think Ronald Reagan ordered people to be killed first hand?


Either way it doesn't change what happened at Chappaquiddick

It's just so easy to use that vilify the man and dismiss any positive contributions that he has made. Chappaquiddick was an accident and cover up. It's not like Teddy wanted to kill Mary Jo. I promise you, that event haunted Kennedy for the rest of his life. And it should have.

Not to be cliche, but two wrongs don't make a right. And nothing will change the fact that Reagan (and other US presidents) supported violent, repressive, right wing regimes in Central America (amongst other places) When you fund (illegally) the Republican Guard (Contras) of the Somoza family and call them "Freedom Fighters", you might as well be giving the direct order to exterminate. You don't think Reagan personally knew what was happening in El Salvador and Nicaragua? When you apply the domino theory to indigenous revolutions, even though they are left leaning and include some Communist factors, you have blood on your hands. We worked against democracy and the will of the people in those cases. Many regimes we supported where as evil as Saddam Hussein. Oh, yeah, we supported him during the Reagan Adminstration. Our Central America policies from the Reagan administration are still causing problems to this day.

None the less, I give Reagan credit for what he did right, and I understand he thought he was doing was good for America, even though I think some of his policies were immoral and go against the principles for which we stand.

[El Kabong]

Yes the Contra's were soooo much more evil than the Sandinista's

How about the time Teddy Kennedy tried to work with the Soviets keep American missle defense systems out of Europe in 1983 at the height of the Cold War? Wasn't that patriotic of him

[RozzySean]

Yes the Contra's were soooo much more evil than the Sandinista's

How about the time Teddy Kennedy tried to work with the Soviets keep American missle defense systems out of Europe in 1983 at the height of the Cold War? Wasn't that patriotic of him

Actually, they were. Did you know that the only things the Sandinistas nationalisted was the personal holding of the Somoza family and his cronies? Fact. Your average personal in Nicaragua was much better off under the Sandinistas. They only reason they lost the election was that they wanted the US funded Civil War to stop, and they knew they old regime was gone for good. Oh, and Ortega was democratically re-elected in 2006. Sit down. You don't know crap about Central American politics.

Turn off Rush and Laura.

[VictorCharlie]

Ouch!!!...Where the hell have you been hiding Rozzy? Haven't seen you in these talks till recently.

[RozzySean]

Ouch!!!...Where the hell have you been hiding Rozzy? Haven't seen you in these talks till recently.

It was a slow summer for boxing, and I was busy as hell, first with my summer job, then getting reading to launch the new student program that I helped develop this spring.

[El Kabong]

Actually, they were. Did you know that the only things the Sandinistas nationalisted was the personal holding of the Somoza family and his cronies? Fact. Your average personal in Nicaragua was much better off under the Sandinistas. They only reason they lost the election was that they wanted the US funded Civil War to stop, and they knew they old regime was gone for good. Oh, and Ortega was democratically re-elected in 2006. Sit down. You don't know crap about Central American politics.

Turn off Rush and Laura.

I know enough about Central American politics to tell you they are all trying to be Che Guavera. And I know enough about American politics to admit we usually support people who help us out and usually those people are ok in the begining and then become corrupted.

Continue to bitch about anyone you want to, alll you can take from this little thread is that Ted Kennedy is dead and Lyle's happy about it. I know Reagan wasn't perfect, but he didn't kill anyone (personally) and he didn't sell out his country.