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Same here Bro, I remember those days when Juan was calling out Manny with a lady alongside the Baby Bull screaming WE WANT PACMAN, PACMAN. this kid belitlling Manny's accomplishments saying he beats up old champs. Now he has 2 losses vs much older competition and a very questionable win over Malignaggi whom Hatton just dominated, the Hatton that..............;)Quote:
Originally Posted by brucelee
The funny part of this is no matter what kind of swindler Schaeffer is... It goes to prove a point. Does anyone think Diaz really cares if fights Malignaggi again. He got the "W" ... fairly or unfairly..
It used to be that a fighter didn't care about this money stuff, if they wanted to set the record straight. There was a time when a guy that felt he got shafted by the judges would fight diaz again in Texas for free, on christmas morning, and destroy him to prove to everyone he got cheated in the first fight. (last time that I remember a guy hellbent on revenge not matter what the cost was the Jones Jr. Rematch with Griffin).
Whining about money, location, and then trash talking a guy and his mom etc hoping he'll fight you so you can still make money to live on because you don't want a 9 to 5 job (despite claiming boxing is Bull$hit) is pretty classless. Malignaggi, should either:
a.) Man the hell up, give GBP/diaz what they want and prove his point in the ring, show the world its his time.
b.)quit boxing and try his hand at something else where he feels he'll get fair shake everytime.
or
c.)Suck it up, get used to it and be thankful people are still willing to spend any money to see him fight the way he does.
I don't really agree with this. Everything was against Paulie, not only did he go to Juan's backyard but he also had to come in underweight because Juan was not man enough to fight him at his own weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by J_Undisputed
Paulie is not a puncher so any rematch would likely go 12 rounds again and, if in the same state, under the same conditions, Paulie just wouldn't get the nod.
Of course Paulie will be upset, its his livelihood and career, man it would eat me up if I beat someone in my chosen sport and got robbed.
It's the thing I hate about boxing more than anything else, so many weekends are ruined for me because of it.
John Mcdermott, an unfashionable fat domestic heavyweight in the UK has been completely jobbed twice now against Danny Williams and Tyson Fury. At least the board ordered rematches in both cases, but it shouldn't be necessary. The right man should get the win in the first place, how can you not feel for someone like McDermott who should have two great W's on his record against the Tyson conqueror Williams, and the super hype job Tyson Fury?
I hope Tyson and Juan both get destroyed in their next fights because to me an honourable man should admit when they have been beat. Fighters may not be responsible for the decisions but they never have any integrity after a fight either, always insisting they won when virtually the entire watching world disagrees.
PLENTY of people thought Diaz won. I may not be one of them, but that doesn't change the fact that there was a large minority who felt that Diaz took it & scoring just 2 rounds the other way I would have had him winning. I'm guessing that those who weren't indignant at the result didn't feel the same need to go to every boxing website & declare their disgust in the same way some of those who felt Paulie won did.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboI don't really agree with this. Everything was against Paulie, not only did he go to Juan's backyard but he also had to come in underweight because Juan was not man enough to fight him at his own weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by J_Undisputed
Paulie is not a puncher so any rematch would likely go 12 rounds again and, if in the same state, under the same conditions, Paulie just wouldn't get the nod.
Of course Paulie will be upset, its his livelihood and career, man it would eat me up if I beat someone in my chosen sport and got robbed.
It's the thing I hate about boxing more than anything else, so many weekends are ruined for me because of it.
John Mcdermott, an unfashionable fat domestic heavyweight in the UK has been completely jobbed twice now against Danny Williams and Tyson Fury. At least the board ordered rematches in both cases, but it shouldn't be necessary. The right man should get the win in the first place, how can you not feel for someone like McDermott who should have two great W's on his record against the Tyson conqueror Williams, and the super hype job Tyson Fury?
I hope Tyson and Juan both get destroyed in their next fights because to me an honourable man should admit when they have been beat. Fighters may not be responsible for the decisions but they never have any integrity after a fight either, always insisting they won when virtually the entire watching world disagrees.
My biggest thing is as Bilbo has already stated were, Paulie had to drop 2 pounds, fight in a small ring in houston 2 out of 3 judges from texas the other from oklahoma which ain't much better and the ref from texas as well. Paulie was never winning that fight
I would be okay with a 115-113 card for diaz, one of them were, 116-112 is hometown judging and 118-110 is just criminal
Paulie threw more shots, maybe not more power shots, but he did throw and land more punches overall
punch stats were 123/434 power for diaz 80/328 for paulie
total punches 178/663 diaz 191/949 paulie
with that paulie dictated most of the rounds, boxing beautifully and showing a great defense
What that also shows is that Diaz was connecting at a significantly better percentage, supporting what Ouma said. I'd have to say of the 2 fighters, Diaz was the one who seemed to be winning rounds more decisively. I think pretty much every round I gave to him, he won decidedly. I think anyone looking at it honestly & forgetting the shit that happened afterwards, couldn't say that Paulie was winning ALL his rounds that decisively.Quote:
Originally Posted by markb018
The scorecards were shocking, but Paulie did himself no favours beforehand & his comments about Raul Caiz Sr were just out of order. Shall we say that Don Trella can never be a judge for any of Paulie's fights because he's Italian-American? I had sympathy for him at the time, because I do feel he won, but it was very close & all his crying about it now just makes him seem a dick. Which is a shame because when he's not complaining about the world, he actually seems quite a cool guy.
I've not seen a poll online where Diaz has got more than 20% of voter support, the overwhelming majority were in favour of a Malignaggi won.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinPLENTY of people thought Diaz won. I may not be one of them, but that doesn't change the fact that there was a large minority who felt that Diaz took it & scoring just 2 rounds the other way I would have had him winning. I'm guessing that those who weren't indignant at the result didn't feel the same need to go to every boxing website & declare their disgust in the same way some of those who felt Paulie won did.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboI don't really agree with this. Everything was against Paulie, not only did he go to Juan's backyard but he also had to come in underweight because Juan was not man enough to fight him at his own weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by J_Undisputed
Paulie is not a puncher so any rematch would likely go 12 rounds again and, if in the same state, under the same conditions, Paulie just wouldn't get the nod.
Of course Paulie will be upset, its his livelihood and career, man it would eat me up if I beat someone in my chosen sport and got robbed.
It's the thing I hate about boxing more than anything else, so many weekends are ruined for me because of it.
John Mcdermott, an unfashionable fat domestic heavyweight in the UK has been completely jobbed twice now against Danny Williams and Tyson Fury. At least the board ordered rematches in both cases, but it shouldn't be necessary. The right man should get the win in the first place, how can you not feel for someone like McDermott who should have two great W's on his record against the Tyson conqueror Williams, and the super hype job Tyson Fury?
I hope Tyson and Juan both get destroyed in their next fights because to me an honourable man should admit when they have been beat. Fighters may not be responsible for the decisions but they never have any integrity after a fight either, always insisting they won when virtually the entire watching world disagrees.
But it's not just about the decision, it's the nature of it. Had Diaz edged a razor close decision then it would have been palatable but 118-110, please, that just demonstrates that Paulie had already lost the fight before he stepped into the ring.
He was chosen as a non puncher, was made to come in under weight to take away any edge he might have, and then it had already been predecided that Diaz would win the decision. Paulie could have put him down twice and he still would have lost on the cards.
It IS a robbery, it's corruption and no wonder Malignaggi is pissed. They did it here with McDermott too, he completely exposed TysonFury and then went on to lose a wide wide decision where the ref gave all but two rounds to Fury. At least the British board of control have ordered an immediate rematch but honestly this sport fucking sucks at times.
It's probably the same in most sports. We saw in Formula 1 how Renault cheated last year in Singapore by asking Piquet to crash his car into the barrier to bring out the safety car to secure an Alonso win.
You guys are deluding yourselves if you don't think that kind of thing goes on in boxing.
There was simply no way Juan was losing this fight unless by KO, and they handpicked a notorious non puncher to ensure that wouldn't happen, even forcing to fight at catchweight to take away any chance.
Sorry but all I can say is fuck Juan Diaz, fuck GBP and fuck the corrrupt judges who had their pockets lined for that fight.
Diaz is going nowhere anywhere as soon as he steps up he gets the shit kicked out of him and it will be sweet.
Blah blah blah cry for Paulie
It's one of those fights where a lot of the rounds were the same, Paulie did better then expected, he was fast, NOT SHARP (which people have called him sharp, it baffles me he almost never landed cleanly), danced on the outside and 10 seconds Diaz had on the inside he made up for 40 seconds Paulie had outside dancing doing nothing. Score that fight minute by minute, round by round (I don't care about commentary) and actually tell me that Paulie did the more meaninfgul work in the fight.
Also, Diaz got almost no credit with the jab but in the rounds he won he had the better jab then Paulie most of the rounds. He was timing Malignaggi's jab perfectly as Paulie came in with it and was using it to do actual damage and set up his punches. Had the commentators spent 12 rounds gushing about the timing Diaz was doing with his jab and it's a different fight.
IDK how Cotto-Clottey came up but that was the exact OPPOSITE as this fight imo. Clottey was the one imposing himself physically but just didn't know how to win individual rounds from a guy who's been doing that all his life. Flip the role here, Malignaggi gave the illusion that he might have been stealing rounds and winning rounds because of all the tassles he had on and did NO damage, just gave the illusion of damage with the cut on Diaz.
Viva La Gale Von Hoye.
Fuck you all, its you people disagreeing with me that reminds me why I like being banned so much.Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
I'm right and you're wrong, period.
The key to being a fighter like Malignaggi is you have to be accurate and you have to be slick, he's really neither. He's fast, he knows how to work on the outside and he knows how to keep his output up but that's about it. IMO he shares the same dilemma with Rayonta Whitfield whom I used to be very high on but he's just not accurate enough and he seems to get hit to much. Simple as.
Bilbo, you are the Rayonta Whitfield of forum posters.
Meh, I think the oh Paulie had to jump through so many hoops line is a bit tired and overdone. He wanted the fight, he agreed to the catchweight and then the week of the fight starts bitching about it, yawn.
And you would think it was the most smallest ring EVAR. This stuff happens all the time, the only reason people are jumping on it is Paulie raised a fuss about it fight week, yawn X 2. This combined with promising Max his first born child was very smart manuevering by Paulie.
As for fighting in Texas, LOL. The previous fight Diaz fought in Texas too and one of the judges gave the fight to Michael Katsidis in a fight that Diaz strolled through.
None of these things helped Paulie but people act like its the tragedy of all tragedies.
And nobody (well maybe Amat) says that the 118-110 card wasn't a stretch but that's not what were arguing, I'm arguing Diaz won, period. And anyway I don't think its such open shut thing that Van Hoye's card was pure corruptness, Diaz was landing the cleaner harder looking shots and every time he landed the crown went nuts.
That can effect you especially when the other guy just isn't landing anything substantial. I had it 7-5 Diaz watching it on tv with Max getting wet every time Paulie pulled his pants up, if I was in the arena I would have probably had it 116-112 or so. So yeah Viva Von Hoye if only just to annoy people.
The judges in Beijing would have scored that fight for Malignaggi, he would have won going away probably but that just shows how gay that scoring system was where all those glancing shots off the shoulder or chest with nothing behind them actually count for something.
Seriously 118-110 Diaz is a more fair card then 115-113 Malignaggi imo. Diaz actually fought a pretty good fight in the face of some serious adversity and an opponent who was trying to steal the fight rather then win it.
Malignaggi is rated 18th by boxrec at 140. To be fair, I would have him higher then that so please no one make the argument that I'm just an irritator or a hateerrr (we should start bumping bestp4p threads now.) hooooollllllaaaaarrrrrr.
First off, Diaz im sure feels he won the fight and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. He should feel that way. Secondly, why should he give him a rematch? Just cause it was a close fight? Controversial fights are a a part of boxing. They happen every week, and for most there are not rematches. You take it for what it is and more on. Malignaggi didnt have a rematch with Ndougjo, Ndougjo never had one with Castilllo, Castillo never had one with Casamayor, Casa never did with Santa Cruz...I could do this all day. Paulie has to worry about Paulie, not Juan Diaz.
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Originally Posted by BilboI don't really agree with this. Everything was against Paulie, not only did he go to Juan's backyard but he also had to come in underweight because Juan was not man enough to fight him at his own weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by J_Undisputed
Paulie is not a puncher so any rematch would likely go 12 rounds again and, if in the same state, under the same conditions, Paulie just wouldn't get the nod.
Of course Paulie will be upset, its his livelihood and career, man it would eat me up if I beat someone in my chosen sport and got robbed.
It's the thing I hate about boxing more than anything else, so many weekends are ruined for me because of it.
John Mcdermott, an unfashionable fat domestic heavyweight in the UK has been completely jobbed twice now against Danny Williams and Tyson Fury. At least the board ordered rematches in both cases, but it shouldn't be necessary. The right man should get the win in the first place, how can you not feel for someone like McDermott who should have two great W's on his record against the Tyson conqueror Williams, and the super hype job Tyson Fury?
I hope Tyson and Juan both get destroyed in their next fights because to me an honourable man should admit when they have been beat. Fighters may not be responsible for the decisions but they never have any integrity after a fight either, always insisting they won when virtually the entire watching world disagrees.
I can't believe I missed this, well yes I can I didn't read the post but I digress, Bilbo WTF you've gotta be kidding me with this right?
You must despise Joel Casamayor, and...sorry I'm having a hard time coming up with people who've been the beneficiary of bad decisions lately, I know they're out there, I just can't think of them right now.
Absolutely, got one of the biggest gift decisions of all time, it was great when Marquez demolished him.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan:peeker:Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboI don't really agree with this. Everything was against Paulie, not only did he go to Juan's backyard but he also had to come in underweight because Juan was not man enough to fight him at his own weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by J_Undisputed
Paulie is not a puncher so any rematch would likely go 12 rounds again and, if in the same state, under the same conditions, Paulie just wouldn't get the nod.
Of course Paulie will be upset, its his livelihood and career, man it would eat me up if I beat someone in my chosen sport and got robbed.
It's the thing I hate about boxing more than anything else, so many weekends are ruined for me because of it.
John Mcdermott, an unfashionable fat domestic heavyweight in the UK has been completely jobbed twice now against Danny Williams and Tyson Fury. At least the board ordered rematches in both cases, but it shouldn't be necessary. The right man should get the win in the first place, how can you not feel for someone like McDermott who should have two great W's on his record against the Tyson conqueror Williams, and the super hype job Tyson Fury?
I hope Tyson and Juan both get destroyed in their next fights because to me an honourable man should admit when they have been beat. Fighters may not be responsible for the decisions but they never have any integrity after a fight either, always insisting they won when virtually the entire watching world disagrees.
I can't believe I missed this, well yes I can I didn't read the post but I digress, Bilbo WTF you've gotta be kidding me with this right?
You must despise Joel Casamayor, and...sorry I'm having a hard time coming up with people who've been the beneficiary of bad decisions lately, I know they're out there, I just can't think of them right now.
and what's wrong with hating on fighters, we all do it, Miles is still putting pins in his Khan doll to this day following his win over a badly bloodied Barrera.
I don't blame a fighter for being the recipient of a gift win, but at least be man enough to admit you didn't win the fight, or that you were lucky to get the decision.
Juan Diaz is done, he's been exposed 3 times now and has nothing else to offer.
At least we still have Carl ' The Cobra' Froch to bring some decency back to the sport of boxing in a couple weeks time.