Re: Haye did what he had to do to win the fight.FACT!
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I thought the fight was awful, I felt both fighters were awful.
Valuev was unlucky to lose imo, Haye landed maybe 4 punches in the entire fight and ran more than Andre Dirrell against Carl Froch.
He really pissed me off with his post fight speech about how he made Valuev look like an amatuer and how great he was.
He should have been apologising to the fans for such a dull fight and as for making Valuev look amateur, no you didn't Valuev himself makes Valuev look amateur, you just looked like a twat, scared to engage and do anything.
He won't be doing anything in this division imo. Valuev is an AWFUL world champion.
If Haye can't engage with Valuev how the hell is he going to engage with the Klitschko's? He's just going to get jabbed to death.
Not impressed at all. He got a decision against the most awful world champ in recent memory.
John Ruiz and Evander Holyfield both beat Valuev better and more convincingly than Haye did but neither is good for the heavyweight division so they didn't get the decision.
Haye won because he's marketable FACT.
I'm no Haye fan, but he deserved to win imo. Valuev is awful, but he was a foot taller and seven stones heavier and some of the people that don't acknowledge that a s afactor in the fight are very naive. If both guys were the same size and had the skills they have, Haye would've walked it!
...But Haye is crap
Oh yeah I agree with you on that. If Valuev was 6 ft 3 he wouldn't get past the first round of a Prizefighter competition let alone fight for a world title.
I don't really have a problem with Haye winning, I mean Valuev was shit. But let's be real, Haye did no more than Holyfield did, he did no more than Ruiz did in their first fight either. In those cases Valuev got the decisions purely because of his freakish appearance imo and the fact that he was better for the heavyweight division.
Right now though, we all know Valuev sucks and he's not marketable any more whereas Haye with his cockyness and buff body certainly creates headlines so predictably he gets the nod in a close fight.
But he shouldn't be engaging in any self praise over this performance. He fought a TERRIBLE opponent in Valuev who I'd pick at least a dozen other heavies to beat him easily and instead he just ran around for 3 minutes and then landed a token punch before the bell. It was pathetic
and in the light of all his smacktalk just emphasised what a bullshitter Haye is.
He will get SMASHED by either Klitschko, he just won't have any answers for either of them, and they will just take him slowly take him apart and dismantle him, it will be a joy to see.
I'm not convinced he even gets that far though. I think John Ruiz has a real chance at beating him, maybe even stopping him.
Or maybe showed how smart he is.
Look at the interest in the fight, it was huge. He didn't just make the casual fan want to tune-in he conned all the hardcores and "experts" into thinking he would go out gung-ho trying to smash Valuev out.
Instead he had a 12 round game plan in place all along - which he pulled off. Great stuff.
Re: Haye did what he had to do to win the fight.FACT!
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Or maybe showed how smart he is.
Look at the interest in the fight, it was huge. He didn't just make the casual fan want to tune-in he conned all the hardcores and "experts" into thinking he would go out gung-ho trying to smash Valuev out.
Instead he had a 12 round game plan in place all along - which he pulled off. Great stuff.
So he's a total hypocrit and never had any plans on bringing excitement to the division at all???
Re: Haye did what he had to do to win the fight.FACT!
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Or maybe showed how smart he is.
Look at the interest in the fight, it was huge. He didn't just make the casual fan want to tune-in he conned all the hardcores and "experts" into thinking he would go out gung-ho trying to smash Valuev out.
Instead he had a 12 round game plan in place all along - which he pulled off. Great stuff.
So he's a total hypocrit and never had any plans on bringing excitement to the division at all???
No he fought a smart fight against a guy way too big for him.
I'm sure you'll see some excitement when he fights guys that are KO-able.
You know guys like china-chin Wlad.
Re: Haye did what he had to do to win the fight.FACT!
...is this all it takes for Brits to get whipped up in a frenzy about a fighter???
Haye is going to get demolished by Wladimir
Re: Haye did what he had to do to win the fight.FACT!
LOL Dont forget guys that Wlad and Vitali are quite tall as well so do you think Haye would fight different against them? And also although they dont weigh as much as Valuev, they punch harder. So i dont see him trying to engage with them either and like lyle said before, they know how to track down a runner.
Either Klitschko would of koed Valuev FACT!!!
Re: Haye did what he had to do to win the fight.FACT!
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...is this all it takes for Brits to get whipped up in a frenzy about a fighter???
Haye is going to get demolished by Wladimir
That maybe so.
But 3 inches, 20lb, china-chin, questionable heart and the fact he's been ko'd by journeymen gives Haye a far greater chance of the KO.
It's impossible to not agree, right?
Re: Haye did what he had to do to win the fight.FACT!
Look what Wlad did to the only other guy to beat Valuev... haye is in serious trouble... :(
Wlad made it no secret that he wasn't afraid to use his superior skills, size, strength and power to emphatically beat down the smaller chageav from the opening bell...
Make no mistake... Wlad will be all over haye like a fly on shit, just like chageav.
Re: Haye did what he had to do to win the fight.FACT!
Put aside the size differential for a sec and let's discuss the speed differential, Haye had tons of free time to pose and NOT be an exciting fighter, let's be honest how hard would it be get Valuev off balance? I submit as hard as taking a step to the right.
Re: Haye did what he had to do to win the fight.FACT!
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Fenster
That maybe so.
But 3 inches, 20lb, china-chin, questionable heart and the fact he's been ko'd by journeymen gives Haye a far greater chance of the KO.
It's impossible to not agree, right?
Fenster, David Haye is going to get lit up by Wladimir. Look at how Haye fought Valuev....now let us imagine Wlad in Valuev's shoes. Wlad is more skilled, more athletic, has more power, and let's not forget one of the best jabs in the history of the division and it's the great equalizer for speed.
Haye is in deep shit if he decides to fight Wlad. I highly recommend David hurting his back again
Re: Haye did what he had to do to win the fight.FACT!
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That maybe so.
But 3 inches, 20lb, china-chin, questionable heart and the fact he's been ko'd by journeymen gives Haye a far greater chance of the KO.
It's impossible to not agree, right?
Fenster, David Haye is going to get lit up by Wladimir. Look at how Haye fought Valuev....now let us imagine Wlad in Valuev's shoes. Wlad is more skilled, more athletic, has more power, and let's not forget one of the best jabs in the history of the division and it's the great equalizer for speed.
Haye is in deep shit if he decides to fight Wlad. I highly recommend David hurting his back again
I can picture exactly how a fight with Wlad would go.
Haye would come out all majestic and confident. The first round would be a feeling out, Haye would come forward, land a couple shots, and get some confidence.
At the end of the round he'd probably stand and stare at Wlad and then stride back to his corner with his shoulders and lats flaring almost as wide as his nostrils.
Then in the second round Wlad would find his rythm and start instigating the jab. Haye wouldn't be able to get inside, and would start eating shots. His offensive output would drop.
Third round Haye would already be feeling uncomfortable, he'd know his gameplan had failed and he'd cease throwing anything and just look to survive. Wlad is patient and wouldn't try to knock David out yet but would just continue with the jab, breaking Hayes spirit.
Haye would go back to his corner and make a mental note that this is the round he broke his hand in......
Fourth round. Haye lunges forward wildy with a punch that misses and ends up on the floor. He slips over a couple more times in this round as he starts to look ragged. visably wilting now he could be taken out but Wlad doesnt want to let him off so quickly and just keeps up the jab.
Fifth round. Haye is going through the motions now, trying to survive. He complains about clinches and a headbutt. Thoroughly beaten down he trudges back to his corner trailing by 4 rounds on Lederman's scorecard.
Sixth round. Haye's 'broken' hand is clearly bothering him now, and to make matters worse he damages his shoulder which effectively ruins his chances of knocking Wlad out, which WOULD have happened, had he not had the misfortune of a double injury.
Seventh round. Adam Booth tells him to give it all in this round and lay it on the line. A fired David Haye races out to the middle of the ring, but spends the next three minutes in retreat as Wlad jabs the shit out him.
After the bell rings Booth and his team are already there with the white towel, Haye is injured and cannot continue.
A completely unmarked and sweat free Wladimir wins the fight.
Re: Haye did what he had to do to win the fight.FACT!
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I'm no Haye fan, but he deserved to win imo. Valuev is awful, but he was a foot taller and seven stones heavier and some of the people that don't acknowledge that a s afactor in the fight are very naive. If both guys were the same size and had the skills they have, Haye would've walked it!
...But Haye is crap
Oh yeah I agree with you on that. If Valuev was 6 ft 3 he wouldn't get past the first round of a Prizefighter competition let alone fight for a world title.
I don't really have a problem with Haye winning, I mean Valuev was shit. But let's be real, Haye did no more than Holyfield did, he did no more than Ruiz did in their first fight either. In those cases Valuev got the decisions purely because of his freakish appearance imo and the fact that he was better for the heavyweight division.
Right now though, we all know Valuev sucks and he's not marketable any more whereas Haye with his cockyness and buff body certainly creates headlines so predictably he gets the nod in a close fight.
But he shouldn't be engaging in any self praise over this performance. He fought a TERRIBLE opponent in Valuev who I'd pick at least a dozen other heavies to beat him easily and instead he just ran around for 3 minutes and then landed a token punch before the bell. It was pathetic
and in the light of all his smacktalk just emphasised what a bullshitter Haye is.
He will get SMASHED by either Klitschko, he just won't have any answers for either of them, and they will just take him slowly take him apart and dismantle him, it will be a joy to see.
I'm not convinced he even gets that far though. I think John Ruiz has a real chance at beating him, maybe even stopping him.
Or maybe showed how smart he is.
Look at the interest in the fight, it was huge. He didn't just make the casual fan want to tune-in he conned all the hardcores and "experts" into thinking he would go out gung-ho trying to smash Valuev out.
Instead he had a 12 round game plan in place all along - which he pulled off. Great stuff.
I know I only have the American perspective here, and I'm sure it was huge in the UK and Germany, but in the US the PPV was cancelled because of lack of interest.
Re: Haye did what he had to do to win the fight.FACT!
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Oh yeah I agree with you on that. If Valuev was 6 ft 3 he wouldn't get past the first round of a Prizefighter competition let alone fight for a world title.
I don't really have a problem with Haye winning, I mean Valuev was shit. But let's be real, Haye did no more than Holyfield did, he did no more than Ruiz did in their first fight either. In those cases Valuev got the decisions purely because of his freakish appearance imo and the fact that he was better for the heavyweight division.
Right now though, we all know Valuev sucks and he's not marketable any more whereas Haye with his cockyness and buff body certainly creates headlines so predictably he gets the nod in a close fight.
But he shouldn't be engaging in any self praise over this performance. He fought a TERRIBLE opponent in Valuev who I'd pick at least a dozen other heavies to beat him easily and instead he just ran around for 3 minutes and then landed a token punch before the bell. It was pathetic and in the light of all his smacktalk just emphasised what a bullshitter Haye is.
He will get SMASHED by either Klitschko, he just won't have any answers for either of them, and they will just take him slowly take him apart and dismantle him, it will be a joy to see.
I'm not convinced he even gets that far though. I think John Ruiz has a real chance at beating him, maybe even stopping him.
Or maybe showed how smart he is.
Look at the interest in the fight, it was huge. He didn't just make the casual fan want to tune-in he conned all the hardcores and "experts" into thinking he would go out gung-ho trying to smash Valuev out.
Instead he had a 12 round game plan in place all along - which he pulled off. Great stuff.
I know I only have the American perspective here, and I'm sure it was huge in the UK and Germany, but in the US the PPV was cancelled because of lack of interest.
haha priceless. You guys got off lightly :p
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Bilbo, Wlad has stated that he's going to carry Haye into the 12th round and then KO him.....of course Booth could spoil that plan as you have suggested.
Do you guys think Haye will try to fight Ruiz the same way he fought Valuev???
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I didn't see the fight, because I knew valuev is crap and from the sounds of it haye is the biggest hypocrite in boxing. Hmm I'm pretty sure there were a lot of brits criticising wlad for being "boring" in his last 10 fights or so(which usually ends up in the other guy bein ko'd/tko'd) yet when haye "boxes" and puts on an apparently really borring fight, he's somehow the saviour of boxing, yeah right. Only time I will ever tune in to a haye fight is if I know he's fighting someone with a punch to see him ktfo.
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Oh yeah I agree with you on that. If Valuev was 6 ft 3 he wouldn't get past the first round of a Prizefighter competition let alone fight for a world title.
I don't really have a problem with Haye winning, I mean Valuev was shit. But let's be real, Haye did no more than Holyfield did, he did no more than Ruiz did in their first fight either. In those cases Valuev got the decisions purely because of his freakish appearance imo and the fact that he was better for the heavyweight division.
Right now though, we all know Valuev sucks and he's not marketable any more whereas Haye with his cockyness and buff body certainly creates headlines so predictably he gets the nod in a close fight.
But he shouldn't be engaging in any self praise over this performance. He fought a TERRIBLE opponent in Valuev who I'd pick at least a dozen other heavies to beat him easily and instead he just ran around for 3 minutes and then landed a token punch before the bell. It was pathetic and in the light of all his smacktalk just emphasised what a bullshitter Haye is.
He will get SMASHED by either Klitschko, he just won't have any answers for either of them, and they will just take him slowly take him apart and dismantle him, it will be a joy to see.
I'm not convinced he even gets that far though. I think John Ruiz has a real chance at beating him, maybe even stopping him.
Or maybe showed how smart he is.
Look at the interest in the fight, it was huge. He didn't just make the casual fan want to tune-in he conned all the hardcores and "experts" into thinking he would go out gung-ho trying to smash Valuev out.
Instead he had a 12 round game plan in place all along - which he pulled off. Great stuff.
I know I only have the American perspective here, and I'm sure it was huge in the UK and Germany, but in the US the PPV was cancelled because of lack of interest.
It's a HUGE story over here (i'm surprised how big it is). Been on the news all day before they even get to the sports section.
We already knew it wasn't big news in the States. How could it have been?
But look at all the internet forums. Did the Dawson-Johnson fight even go ahead last night? You wouldn't have thought it ;)
