Do you think Pac is on Peds?

When are are some of you people going to realize that PED's go WAY beyond just steroids and getting "big." Steroids, in the traditional sense of bulking up, are now way down low on the totem pole of PED's athletes use. And people are foolish to think that the only reason people use PED's is to get big and strong. They are used for endurance and recovery as much as anything else. And some of you Pac fans remind me of Lance Armstrong fans. Just blind support. His own trainer basically incriminated him by saying he took "special shakes"!

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Originally Posted by zhubin

When are are some of you people going to realize that PED's go WAY beyond just steroids and getting "big." Steroids, in the traditional sense of bulking up, are now way down low on the totem pole of PED's athletes use. And people are foolish to think that the only reason people use PED's is to get big and strong. They are used for endurance and recovery as much as anything else. And some of you Pac fans remind me of Lance Armstrong fans. Just blind support. His own trainer basically incriminated him by saying he took "special shakes"!

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Them special shakes couldve included caffiene and l tyrosine. Which both will enhance performance and they are not banned. There are a ton of non banned PEDs available for use.

Why not just a simple yes? Rather than the stupid reference that in order to vote yes you admit that you are anti PAC. You may feel he used PEDS but love or respect the entertainment he has provided over the years. Get your lips off Pac's cock already!

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Originally Posted by Julius Rain

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Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui

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Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy

I don't doubt their achievements but without seeing how they fought as they moved up through the weights. I don't think this is issue that concerns people. Plenty of great fighters have fought in different divisions it's the WAY he has looked to get more powerful and maintain speed.

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Well I'm not sure what you need to see. McLarnin (as an example) began as a flyweight and brought enough power to get up from two knockdowns to knock down reigning 135 king and HOFer Louis Kaplan three times before stopping him in 8 and he stopped reigning 147 king and HOFer Young Corbett III in one round.

The thing people don't recognize about Manny is that it isn't that his power has increased. If THAT was it the last three guys wouldn't have gone the distance and Cotto wouldn't have lested into the twelfth. What is remarkable about Maanny is his technical improvement. His right hand has improved enough that the other guy can't just look for the left. His balance has improvedp enough that the last punch in the combination is as effective as the first. His footwork has improved enough that he can hit now from angles he couldn't previously move to. There is no PED I know of that correlates to those sorts of improvements.

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Good class. Good to see old heads still schooling people and staying unbias. We need more posters like you. Too bad is a rarity to read a good post like yours. There are so many delusional mofo now all you read is the same shit and already know what the same mofo will say. Your post is refreshing for a change. Thank you!

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So in using your buzz words like remarkable, footwork, use of angles why have all these variable assets that he possesses been unable to generate any KO's since being accused of using PEDS by Mayweather? Why is he all in favor needles and VADA testing after getting KTFO by JMM ? Why is he the stupidest fighter to step into a "lol" lucky punch? How does decide to steep lower than stupid and renew contract with Top Rank?

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Originally Posted by Julius Rain

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Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy

I don't doubt their achievements but without seeing how they fought as they moved up through the weights. I don't think this is issue that concerns people. Plenty of great fighters have fought in different divisions it's the WAY he has looked to get more powerful and maintain speed.

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Well I'm not sure what you need to see. McLarnin (as an example) began as a flyweight and brought enough power to get up from two knockdowns to knock down reigning 135 king and HOFer Louis Kaplan three times before stopping him in 8 and he stopped reigning 147 king and HOFer Young Corbett III in one round.

The thing people don't recognize about Manny is that it isn't that his power has increased. If THAT was it the last three guys wouldn't have gone the distance and Cotto wouldn't have lested into the twelfth. What is remarkable about Maanny is his technical improvement. His right hand has improved enough that the other guy can't just look for the left. His balance has improvedp enough that the last punch in the combination is as effective as the first. His footwork has improved enough that he can hit now from angles he couldn't previously move to. There is no PED I know of that correlates to those sorts of improvements.

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Good class. Good to see old heads still schooling people and staying unbias. We need more posters like you. Too bad is a rarity to read a good post like yours. There are so many delusional mofo now all you read is the same shit and already know what the same mofo will say. Your post is refreshing for a change. Thank you!

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So in using your buzz words like remarkable, footwork, use of angles why have all these variable assets that he possesses been unable to generate any KO's since being accused of using PEDS by Mayweather? Why is he all in favor needles and VADA testing after getting KTFO by JMM ? Why is he the stupidest fighter to step into a "lol" lucky punch? How he does decide to steep lower than stupid and renew contract with Top Rank?

I think Ped is on PACs, no idea what it means though

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Originally Posted by Althugz

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Originally Posted by Pavlik

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1. pac is a genuinely good man.
2. steroids/hgh should at least manifest itself in increase in muscle mass/density to improve power, pacquiao over the years has not bulked up.
3. this slandering is brought upon by envy.

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I'm not saying he is or isn't using but those are three totally baseless and therefore useless arguments.

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Absolutely ...... "ENVY" That such a grand marketing farce can be created fighting hand picked named fighters coming off losses in @ 80 %. Of his fights after being discovered, fighting washed up fighters, catch weights, never fighting mobile hard hitting 1 punch ok type fighters, moving up weight classes and defying history and science, avoiding drug tests then demanding them after getting KTFO . The real story will play out in a theatre down the road .. The Great Top Rank Con Job".

The poll speaks for itself ;) dumb mofo will be dumb mofos

Not testing positive on a specific and prewarned day and not being 'bigger' are meaningless.

EPO and ephedra aren't going to make you bigger and like most drugs, won't show up on a test if you're smart and know when you're going to have a sample taken.

Too much broscience in this thread, most of you aren't knowledgable enough to make all of these statements, if you think that anecdotal evidence of PED use would be the same for an athlete taking PEDs for performance as it would a gym rat taking them for aesthetics then you need to educate yourself further. Manny is no less drugged than the rest of them...

If you want to put faith in the same drug testing that failed to catch shane mosely then you're just putting your head in the sand.

I wonder how the people who voted know would explain those infamous emails sent by Pac's camp to Mayweather's camp, asking what the penalty was if Pac tested positive and if Pac tested positive could it be kept a secret lol

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Originally Posted by Julius Rain

The poll speaks for itself ;) dumb mofo will be dumb mofos

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The poll only represents that the huggers took the time to respond to your fucked up biased poll sans the basic yes or no option. You can continue to wear the head piece as King Pac Phallus. Keep sporting the dick shaped headpiece it really is you on the catwalk.

Pacquiao didn't really put on much weight at all, he just stopped dehydrating because he didn't need to make weight anymore.

When Pacquiao was in the 130 lbs division, he'd dehydrate to make weight on the day-before weigh-in just as 99.9% of today's fighters do, but the next night on the HBO unofficial scale just before the fight, he'd be 144 lbs.

When Pacquiao moved to the 147 lbs division, he'd make weight and the next night, he'd be about 148 lbs.

So on fight night, the difference between Pacquiao at 130 and 147 is 4 lbs.

How is 4 lbs supposed to slow down his speed?
He wasn't any faster, and his punch against Welters didn't have the effect that it did on 130 pounders because he was fighting bigger men. Perhaps he appeared faster because he was fighting big Welters who are slower than those speedy little Super-Featherweights.

I know that the agreed-upon weight for the Margarito fight was 150 lbs.
On fight night, on the unofficial scale, Pacquiao was 148 lbs, Margarito was 165 lbs.

Another bias slanted post in the @Beanflicker style. ;D

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Originally Posted by Julius Rain

The poll speaks for itself ;) dumb mofo will be dumb mofos

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The poll only represents that the huggers took the time to respond to your fucked up biased poll sans the basic yes or no option. You can continue to wear the head piece as King Pac Phallus. Keep sporting the dick shaped headpiece it really is you on the catwalk.

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STFU I'm not reading your bs :lolhaha:

The options in this poll are loaded... There's a simple 'no' option and then a 'yes - only because I'm a hater' option