Do you think Pac is on Peds?

[Howlin Mad Missy]

I don't doubt their achievements but without seeing how they fought as they moved up through the weights. I don't think this is issue that concerns people. Plenty of great fighters have fought in different divisions it's the WAY he has looked to get more powerful and maintain speed.

[marbleheadmaui]

I don't doubt their achievements but without seeing how they fought as they moved up through the weights. I don't think this is issue that concerns people. Plenty of great fighters have fought in different divisions it's the WAY he has looked to get more powerful and maintain speed.

Well I'm not sure what you need to see. McLarnin (as an example) began as a flyweight and brought enough power to get up from two knockdowns to knock down reigning 135 king and HOFer Louis Kaplan three times before stopping him in 8 and he stopped reigning 147 king and HOFer Young Corbett III in one round.

The thing people don't recognize about Manny is that it isn't that his power has increased. If THAT was it the last three guys wouldn't have gone the distance and Cotto wouldn't have lested into the twelfth. What is remarkable about Maanny is his technical improvement. His right hand has improved enough that the other guy can't just look for the left. His balance has improved enough that the last punch in the combination is as effective as the first. His footwork has improved enough that he can hit now from angles he couldn't previously move to. There is no PED I know of that correlates to those sorts of improvements.

[generalbulldog]

I say yes he is on PEDs. As Roger Mayweather would say, "Motherfucker be on some A-side meth shit. Motherfuckers were going through bullets and shit. That's what the motherfucker's on."

[KananKrus]

No.

[Mars_ax]

I say yes he is on PEDs. As Roger Mayweather would say, "Motherfucker be on some A-side meth shit. Motherfuckers were going through bullets and shit. That's what the motherfucker's on."

Roger is a motherfucker who know his motherfucking shit, Pac must be using motherfucking PEDs.

Seriously, the Pac-PEDs issue is a horse that's been beaten to death, it time for that bullshit to be put to rest.

[Julius Rain]

I don't doubt their achievements but without seeing how they fought as they moved up through the weights. I don't think this is issue that concerns people. Plenty of great fighters have fought in different divisions it's the WAY he has looked to get more powerful and maintain speed.

Well I'm not sure what you need to see. McLarnin (as an example) began as a flyweight and brought enough power to get up from two knockdowns to knock down reigning 135 king and HOFer Louis Kaplan three times before stopping him in 8 and he stopped reigning 147 king and HOFer Young Corbett III in one round.

The thing people don't recognize about Manny is that it isn't that his power has increased. If THAT was it the last three guys wouldn't have gone the distance and Cotto wouldn't have lested into the twelfth. What is remarkable about Maanny is his technical improvement. His right hand has improved enough that the other guy can't just look for the left. His balance has improved enough that the last punch in the combination is as effective as the first. His footwork has improved enough that he can hit now from angles he couldn't previously move to. There is no PED I know of that correlates to those sorts of improvements.

Good class. Good to see old heads still schooling people and staying unbias. We need more posters like you. Too bad is a rarity to read a good post like yours. There are so many delusional mofo now all you read is the same shit and already know what the same mofo will say. Your post is refreshing for a change. Thank you!

[zhubin]

When are are some of you people going to realize that PED's go WAY beyond just steroids and getting "big." Steroids, in the traditional sense of bulking up, are now way down low on the totem pole of PED's athletes use. And people are foolish to think that the only reason people use PED's is to get big and strong. They are used for endurance and recovery as much as anything else. And some of you Pac fans remind me of Lance Armstrong fans. Just blind support. His own trainer basically incriminated him by saying he took "special shakes"!

[chris6878]

When are are some of you people going to realize that PED's go WAY beyond just steroids and getting "big." Steroids, in the traditional sense of bulking up, are now way down low on the totem pole of PED's athletes use. And people are foolish to think that the only reason people use PED's is to get big and strong. They are used for endurance and recovery as much as anything else. And some of you Pac fans remind me of Lance Armstrong fans. Just blind support. His own trainer basically incriminated him by saying he took "special shakes"!

Them special shakes couldve included caffiene and l tyrosine. Which both will enhance performance and they are not banned. There are a ton of non banned PEDs available for use.

[Addicted to_boxing]

I don't doubt their achievements but without seeing how they fought as they moved up through the weights. I don't think this is issue that concerns people. Plenty of great fighters have fought in different divisions it's the WAY he has looked to get more powerful and maintain speed.

Well I'm not sure what you need to see. McLarnin (as an example) began as a flyweight and brought enough power to get up from two knockdowns to knock down reigning 135 king and HOFer Louis Kaplan three times before stopping him in 8 and he stopped reigning 147 king and HOFer Young Corbett III in one round.

The thing people don't recognize about Manny is that it isn't that his power has increased. If THAT was it the last three guys wouldn't have gone the distance and Cotto wouldn't have lested into the twelfth. What is remarkable about Maanny is his technical improvement. His right hand has improved enough that the other guy can't just look for the left. His balance has improvedp enough that the last punch in the combination is as effective as the first. His footwork has improved enough that he can hit now from angles he couldn't previously move to. There is no PED I know of that correlates to those sorts of improvements.

Good class. Good to see old heads still schooling people and staying unbias. We need more posters like you. Too bad is a rarity to read a good post like yours. There are so many delusional mofo now all you read is the same shit and already know what the same mofo will say. Your post is refreshing for a change. Thank you!

So in using your buzz words like remarkable, footwork, use of angles why have all these variable assets that he possesses been unable to generate any KO's since being accused of using PEDS by Mayweather? Why is he all in favor needles and VADA testing after getting KTFO by JMM ? Why is he the stupidest fighter to step into a "lol" lucky punch? How does decide to steep lower than stupid and renew contract with Top Rank?

[Addicted to_boxing]

I don't doubt their achievements but without seeing how they fought as they moved up through the weights. I don't think this is issue that concerns people. Plenty of great fighters have fought in different divisions it's the WAY he has looked to get more powerful and maintain speed.

Well I'm not sure what you need to see. McLarnin (as an example) began as a flyweight and brought enough power to get up from two knockdowns to knock down reigning 135 king and HOFer Louis Kaplan three times before stopping him in 8 and he stopped reigning 147 king and HOFer Young Corbett III in one round.

The thing people don't recognize about Manny is that it isn't that his power has increased. If THAT was it the last three guys wouldn't have gone the distance and Cotto wouldn't have lested into the twelfth. What is remarkable about Maanny is his technical improvement. His right hand has improved enough that the other guy can't just look for the left. His balance has improvedp enough that the last punch in the combination is as effective as the first. His footwork has improved enough that he can hit now from angles he couldn't previously move to. There is no PED I know of that correlates to those sorts of improvements.

Good class. Good to see old heads still schooling people and staying unbias. We need more posters like you. Too bad is a rarity to read a good post like yours. There are so many delusional mofo now all you read is the same shit and already know what the same mofo will say. Your post is refreshing for a change. Thank you!

So in using your buzz words like remarkable, footwork, use of angles why have all these variable assets that he possesses been unable to generate any KO's since being accused of using PEDS by Mayweather? Why is he all in favor needles and VADA testing after getting KTFO by JMM ? Why is he the stupidest fighter to step into a "lol" lucky punch? How he does decide to steep lower than stupid and renew contract with Top Rank?

[SugarBoxing]

I think Ped is on PACs, no idea what it means though