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No Bilbo, you see Joe Calzaghe in his INFINITE compassion and greatness, ALLOWED Roy Jones to go the distance with him. He clearly could have taken him out with a single shot at any time he wanted. Cus we all know what a real nice guy Joe is and how much of a devastating power puncher he was late in his career...;D:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Holy Horses BBQ'd Ass Batman!! http://www.dialbforblog.com/archives/35/robin.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
A staggering 4 punch diff between the 2nd Pascal fight and Calzaghe... :o
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Originally Posted by CutMeMickHoly Horses BBQ'd Ass Batman!! http://www.dialbforblog.com/archives/35/robin.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
A staggering 4 punch diff between the 2nd Pascal fight and Calzaghe... :o
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and Calzaghe made his name beating up on has beens (Jones and Eubank) pretenders (Sheika, Bika and Manfredo Jr), or given gift decisions (Hopkins and Reid), his only stand out non controversial wins that deserve any real praise are his wins against Kessler and LaceyQuote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogYou're right Calzaghe should have played it like B-Hop, beat up blownup Welterweights to make a name for himself early in his career.Quote:
Originally Posted by No Contest
You can argue who won the fight, but that whiteboy didn't make it easy for B-Hop. THis whole B-Hop won 4 or 5 more rounds is ridiculous.
as always it works both ways
Yes it goes both ways homey. The same people shitting on JC, his resume, and fighting ability, mysteriously excuse Hopkins for everything else. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesand Calzaghe made his name beating up on has beens (Jones and Eubank) pretenders (Sheika, Bika and Manfredo Jr), or given gift decisions (Hopkins and Reid), his only stand out non controversial wins that deserve any real praise are his wins against Kessler and LaceyQuote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogYou're right Calzaghe should have played it like B-Hop, beat up blownup Welterweights to make a name for himself early in his career.Quote:
Originally Posted by No Contest
You can argue who won the fight, but that whiteboy didn't make it easy for B-Hop. THis whole B-Hop won 4 or 5 more rounds is ridiculous.
as always it works both ways
Here is one major difference. BHOP really did wreck the middles from 1994-2004 didn't he? Was there any obvious guy he didn't face? With JC at 168 the story just isn't the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogYes it goes both ways homey. The same people shitting on JC, his resume, and fighting ability, mysteriously excuse Hopkins for everything else. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesand Calzaghe made his name beating up on has beens (Jones and Eubank) pretenders (Sheika, Bika and Manfredo Jr), or given gift decisions (Hopkins and Reid), his only stand out non controversial wins that deserve any real praise are his wins against Kessler and LaceyQuote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogYou're right Calzaghe should have played it like B-Hop, beat up blownup Welterweights to make a name for himself early in his career.Quote:
Originally Posted by No Contest
You can argue who won the fight, but that whiteboy didn't make it easy for B-Hop. THis whole B-Hop won 4 or 5 more rounds is ridiculous.
as always it works both ways
It was a convincing Calzaghe win. A poor first few rounds, but practically a clean sweep thereafter. What it shows is that Hopkins has either taken fighters out of their weight class or purposely chosen relatively low output opponents.
When faced with someone like Calzaghe, Hopkins simply cannot match the output. Calzaghe beats Hopkins at any stage in Hopkins career.
Calzaghe gets underrated on forums. He is stylistic hell for practically anyone he faces.
So who are you suggesting Calzaghe should have fought at 168 during his tenure as division chief?Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiHere is one major difference. BHOP really did wreck the middles from 1994-2004 didn't he? Was there any obvious guy he didn't face? With JC at 168 the story just isn't the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogYes it goes both ways homey. The same people shitting on JC, his resume, and fighting ability, mysteriously excuse Hopkins for everything else. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesand Calzaghe made his name beating up on has beens (Jones and Eubank) pretenders (Sheika, Bika and Manfredo Jr), or given gift decisions (Hopkins and Reid), his only stand out non controversial wins that deserve any real praise are his wins against Kessler and LaceyQuote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogYou're right Calzaghe should have played it like B-Hop, beat up blownup Welterweights to make a name for himself early in his career.Quote:
Originally Posted by No Contest
You can argue who won the fight, but that whiteboy didn't make it easy for B-Hop. THis whole B-Hop won 4 or 5 more rounds is ridiculous.
as always it works both ways
Ottke, Liles, Jones, Nunn, Echols off the top of my head. Look, the notion that you cleaned out a division when there is another unbeaten guy 300 miles away is sort of silly.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesSo who are you suggesting Calzaghe should have fought at 168 during his tenure as division chief?Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiHere is one major difference. BHOP really did wreck the middles from 1994-2004 didn't he? Was there any obvious guy he didn't face? With JC at 168 the story just isn't the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogYes it goes both ways homey. The same people shitting on JC, his resume, and fighting ability, mysteriously excuse Hopkins for everything else. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesand Calzaghe made his name beating up on has beens (Jones and Eubank) pretenders (Sheika, Bika and Manfredo Jr), or given gift decisions (Hopkins and Reid), his only stand out non controversial wins that deserve any real praise are his wins against Kessler and LaceyQuote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogYou're right Calzaghe should have played it like B-Hop, beat up blownup Welterweights to make a name for himself early in his career.Quote:
Originally Posted by No Contest
You can argue who won the fight, but that whiteboy didn't make it easy for B-Hop. THis whole B-Hop won 4 or 5 more rounds is ridiculous.
as always it works both ways
And before the excuse making starts? I don't care. One either fights the fights or one doesn't.
Otke wouldn't go near Calzaghe, Jones Jr was a LHW all the time Calzaghe was a SMW, likewise Nunn was a CW/LHW. The Echols fight could have come off, but he was pretty much done by the time he reached SMW.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiOttke, Liles, Jones, Nunn, Echols off the top of my head. Look, the notion that you cleaned out a division when there is another unbeaten guy 300 miles away is sort of silly.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesSo who are you suggesting Calzaghe should have fought at 168 during his tenure as division chief?Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiHere is one major difference. BHOP really did wreck the middles from 1994-2004 didn't he? Was there any obvious guy he didn't face? With JC at 168 the story just isn't the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogYes it goes both ways homey. The same people shitting on JC, his resume, and fighting ability, mysteriously excuse Hopkins for everything else. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesand Calzaghe made his name beating up on has beens (Jones and Eubank) pretenders (Sheika, Bika and Manfredo Jr), or given gift decisions (Hopkins and Reid), his only stand out non controversial wins that deserve any real praise are his wins against Kessler and LaceyQuote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogYou're right Calzaghe should have played it like B-Hop, beat up blownup Welterweights to make a name for himself early in his career.Quote:
Originally Posted by No Contest
You can argue who won the fight, but that whiteboy didn't make it easy for B-Hop. THis whole B-Hop won 4 or 5 more rounds is ridiculous.
as always it works both ways
And before the excuse making starts? I don't care. One either fights the fights or one doesn't.
You are looking for holes that don't exist. Calzaghe kept his division clean just as Hopkins did, it's just that Calzaghes biggest wins were not against LMW's moving up.
LOL and the excuses begin! Ottke and Calzaghe were in the same division for what? nearly a decade? Nunn was in the division for three years when Calzaghe was, BTW, Nunn was middleweight champ, Echols was ranked in the top five in 2002, 2003 and 2004. Liles was ranked in the top five in 1997-1998.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesOtke wouldn't go near Calzaghe, Jones Jr was a LHW all the time Calzaghe was a SMW, likewise Nunn was a CW/LHW. The Echols fight could have come off, but he was pretty much done by the time he reached SMW.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiOttke, Liles, Jones, Nunn, Echols off the top of my head. Look, the notion that you cleaned out a division when there is another unbeaten guy 300 miles away is sort of silly.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesSo who are you suggesting Calzaghe should have fought at 168 during his tenure as division chief?Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiHere is one major difference. BHOP really did wreck the middles from 1994-2004 didn't he? Was there any obvious guy he didn't face? With JC at 168 the story just isn't the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogYes it goes both ways homey. The same people shitting on JC, his resume, and fighting ability, mysteriously excuse Hopkins for everything else. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesand Calzaghe made his name beating up on has beens (Jones and Eubank) pretenders (Sheika, Bika and Manfredo Jr), or given gift decisions (Hopkins and Reid), his only stand out non controversial wins that deserve any real praise are his wins against Kessler and LaceyQuote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogYou're right Calzaghe should have played it like B-Hop, beat up blownup Welterweights to make a name for himself early in his career.Quote:
Originally Posted by No Contest
You can argue who won the fight, but that whiteboy didn't make it easy for B-Hop. THis whole B-Hop won 4 or 5 more rounds is ridiculous.
as always it works both ways
And before the excuse making starts? I don't care. One either fights the fights or one doesn't.
You are looking for holes that don't exist. Calzaghe kept his division clean just as Hopkins did, it's just that Calzaghes biggest wins were not against LMW's moving up.
The comparisons aren't even close.
So, you blame Calzaghe because one man doesn't want to fight? Do you realistically think a fighter like Ottke would even have a chance? Nunn was in the division whilst Calzaghe was a fledgling pro. How could they have fought? When Calzaghe was established Nunn was long gone. Echols had been stopped by Hopkins, was he now suddenly in line to face Calzaghe? Look at who Echols fought and beat in the years you mentioned, I really don't see why he would have been on the radar. Liles? Too long ago and clearly never one to remember.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiLOL and the excuses begin! Ottke and Calzaghe were in the same division for what? nearly a decade? Nunn was in the division for three years when Calzaghe was, BTW, Nunn was middleweight champ, Echols was ranked in the top five in 2002, 2003 and 2004. Liles was ranked in the top five in 1997-1998.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesOtke wouldn't go near Calzaghe, Jones Jr was a LHW all the time Calzaghe was a SMW, likewise Nunn was a CW/LHW. The Echols fight could have come off, but he was pretty much done by the time he reached SMW.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiOttke, Liles, Jones, Nunn, Echols off the top of my head. Look, the notion that you cleaned out a division when there is another unbeaten guy 300 miles away is sort of silly.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesSo who are you suggesting Calzaghe should have fought at 168 during his tenure as division chief?Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiHere is one major difference. BHOP really did wreck the middles from 1994-2004 didn't he? Was there any obvious guy he didn't face? With JC at 168 the story just isn't the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogYes it goes both ways homey. The same people shitting on JC, his resume, and fighting ability, mysteriously excuse Hopkins for everything else. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesand Calzaghe made his name beating up on has beens (Jones and Eubank) pretenders (Sheika, Bika and Manfredo Jr), or given gift decisions (Hopkins and Reid), his only stand out non controversial wins that deserve any real praise are his wins against Kessler and LaceyQuote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogYou're right Calzaghe should have played it like B-Hop, beat up blownup Welterweights to make a name for himself early in his career.Quote:
Originally Posted by No Contest
You can argue who won the fight, but that whiteboy didn't make it easy for B-Hop. THis whole B-Hop won 4 or 5 more rounds is ridiculous.
as always it works both ways
And before the excuse making starts? I don't care. One either fights the fights or one doesn't.
You are looking for holes that don't exist. Calzaghe kept his division clean just as Hopkins did, it's just that Calzaghes biggest wins were not against LMW's moving up.
The comparisons aren't even close.
The comparisons are close and it's a valid point that Hopkins two biggest wins were over smaller guys moving up from JMW. And let's not forget that the same pattern of calling out smaller men continued after beating Tarver. Wright and Pavlik were called up two divisions and Calzaghe himself was a man moving up for the first time.
Again 1 of the few times I agree with Miles. People likes to shit all over JC's resume when B-Hops resume isn't all that sterling either. JC gets bashed for fighting old guys like RJJ and B-Hop, but B-Hop gets excused for beating up blownup Welterweights like Oscar and Tito or other smaller men like Pavlik, Wright, etc.
And now trying to use Sven Ottke as if the guy was some beast that JC avoided? That's like saying Pac and Mayweather are avoiding Jan Zaveck.;D
joe cal is truly underrated imo.
I see vd i just wondering what he has to say i bet it is going to be good lol.