Haye vs. Arreola ?

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Haye has got off the floor three times to win, travelled to his opponents backyard for all his major bouts but has no heart after being outclassed by a superior fighter with a massive size advantage.

Deary deary me... some fans.

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Sorry. The guy didn't try to win the other day. It's a grave boxing sin in my book. Far greater than getting drilled early but making a legit attempt (which actually isn't a boxing sin at all).

It's one thing for a mid-level guy just trying to survive to his next payday who is being used as a tuneup. But for a big money championship fight? If you get behind? Hopelssly behind? One MUST change tactics or take risks or amp up the intensity (pick one or combine them) to try to change the course of the fight.

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He wasn't good enough to change anything. It was nothing to do with his lack of heart. Was he not still trying to win in the 12th?

So if Haye was sparked-out you would have gave him some praise, right? You wouldn't have been gloating about how you told everyone he was a useless shit-cunt that didn't have a chance? Hmmm...

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I made my criteria for praising 13 very clear prior to the fight. He didn't need to win. If he fought courageously and well I'd praise him. One can get drilled early and meet those criteria (Tommy Hearns against Hagler, Patterson against Ingo, Graziano against Zale, Berg against Canzoneri, Darchyinian against Donaire as examples).

13 did neither.

BTW one doesn't have to be "good enough" to amp up the intensity. One just has to try harder and take risks.

13 did neither.

Frankly the idea he wouldn't try to win just never occurred to me before the fight. Why? Because outside of his "effort" against Valuev I simply had never seen anything like it before.

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Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Haye has got off the floor three times to win, travelled to his opponents backyard for all his major bouts but has no heart after being outclassed by a superior fighter with a massive size advantage.

Deary deary me... some fans.

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Sorry. The guy didn't try to win the other day. It's a grave boxing sin in my book. Far greater than getting drilled early but making a legit attempt (which actually isn't a boxing sin at all).

It's one thing for a mid-level guy just trying to survive to his next payday who is being used as a tuneup. But for a big money championship fight? If you get behind? Hopelssly behind? One MUST change tactics or take risks or amp up the intensity (pick one or combine them) to try to change the course of the fight.

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He wasn't good enough to change anything. It was nothing to do with his lack of heart. Was he not still trying to win in the 12th?

So if Haye was sparked-out you would have gave him some praise, right? You wouldn't have been gloating about how you told everyone he was a useless shit-cunt that didn't have a chance? Hmmm...

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I made my criteria for praising 13 very clear prior to the fight. He didn't need to win. If he fought courageously and well I'd praise him. One can get drilled early and meet those criteria (Tommy Hearns against Hagler, Patterson against Ingo, Graziano against Zale, Berg against Canzoneri, Darchyinian against Donaire as examples).

13 did neither.

BTW one doesn't have to be "good enough" to amp up the intensity. One just has to try harder and take risks.

13 did neither.

Frankly the idea he wouldn't try to win just never occurred to me before the fight. Why? Because outside of his "effort" against Valuev I simply had never seen anything like it before.

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You thought Haye was shit before the fight. But now you are asking him to match the effort of "great" fighters in defeat. Or at least get himself knocked-out.

Ah well..

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Haye has got off the floor three times to win, travelled to his opponents backyard for all his major bouts but has no heart after being outclassed by a superior fighter with a massive size advantage.

Deary deary me... some fans.

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Wow Fenster, that's a really glittery review of Haye. ;D

Yes, Haye got "outclassed by a superior fighter with a massive size advantage", and if the pretentious dickhead he hadn't talked so much trash, and disrespectful shit before the fight he might have gotten more credit. Heart you say? For what, showing up at all?

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Originally Posted by Mars_ax

i've just been particularly irked by the way some of Haye's fans were duped by this pretentious sack of shit.

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How many = some?

If you can blend Wlad's suspect chin and Haye's hitting power and conclude that Haye has a chance early, how can the 'some' who went along with that have been duped?

I dont think anyone had Haye winning because he made fun of Wlad alot and wore cheeky t-shirts.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Haye has got off the floor three times to win, travelled to his opponents backyard for all his major bouts but has no heart after being outclassed by a superior fighter with a massive size advantage.

Deary deary me... some fans.

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Sorry. The guy didn't try to win the other day. It's a grave boxing sin in my book. Far greater than getting drilled early but making a legit attempt (which actually isn't a boxing sin at all).

It's one thing for a mid-level guy just trying to survive to his next payday who is being used as a tuneup. But for a big money championship fight? If you get behind? Hopelssly behind? One MUST change tactics or take risks or amp up the intensity (pick one or combine them) to try to change the course of the fight.

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He wasn't good enough to change anything. It was nothing to do with his lack of heart. Was he not still trying to win in the 12th?

So if Haye was sparked-out you would have gave him some praise, right? You wouldn't have been gloating about how you told everyone he was a useless shit-cunt that didn't have a chance? Hmmm...

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I made my criteria for praising 13 very clear prior to the fight. He didn't need to win. If he fought courageously and well I'd praise him. One can get drilled early and meet those criteria (Tommy Hearns against Hagler, Patterson against Ingo, Graziano against Zale, Berg against Canzoneri, Darchyinian against Donaire as examples).

13 did neither.

BTW one doesn't have to be "good enough" to amp up the intensity. One just has to try harder and take risks.

13 did neither.

Frankly the idea he wouldn't try to win just never occurred to me before the fight. Why? Because outside of his "effort" against Valuev I simply had never seen anything like it before.

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You thought Haye was shit before the fight. But now you are asking him to match the effort of "great" fighters in defeat. Or at least get himself knocked-out.

Ah well..

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The effort? Absolutely. The results? Nope.

Hell not the effort of great fighters, how about the effort of the kids we see on FNF every week? Too much to ask?

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Originally Posted by Memphis

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Originally Posted by Mars_ax

i've just been particularly irked by the way some of Haye's fans were duped by this pretentious sack of shit.

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How many = some?

If you can blend Wlad's suspect chin and Haye's hitting power and conclude that Haye has a chance early, how can the 'some' who went along with that have been duped?

I dont think anyone had Haye winning because he made fun of Wlad alot and wore cheeky t-shirts.

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You seem to be missing the point, Haye bullshitted & hyped his way into the fight with Wlad, so much so, that he had over 1/2 the boxing fans in the UK, and even other pugs like Lewis, Calzaghe, et al, believing that he was going to KO Wlad.
When Haye actually got in the ring with Wlad last night, it was obvious that he didn't have a fucking clue how he was going to win, much less by KO.
My point? If I were British, and dumb/duped enough into believing Haye actually had a chance of winning by KO prior this fight, I might at least have enough intelligence to face reality after the fight, and admit you were conned.

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Originally Posted by Mars_ax

If I were British, and dumb/duped enough into believing Haye actually had a chance of winning by KO prior this fight, I might at least have enough intelligence to face reality after the fight, and admit you were conned.

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Originally Posted by Mars_ax

I'm curious about how everyone on the Saddoboxing forum thinks this fight will turn out. :cool:

Since Wlad has been known to have a questionable chin and/or stamina issues in the past, i'll give Haye a puncher's chance

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Ok you're not British but go ahead..........the floor is yours, go ahead and admit you were conned.

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Originally Posted by Memphis

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Originally Posted by Mars_ax

If I were British, and dumb/duped enough into believing Haye actually had a chance of winning by KO prior this fight, I might at least have enough intelligence to face reality after the fight, and admit you were conned.

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Originally Posted by Mars_ax

I'm curious about how everyone on the Saddoboxing forum thinks this fight will turn out. :cool:

Since Wlad has been known to have a questionable chin and/or stamina issues in the past, i'll give Haye a puncher's chance

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Ok you're not British but go ahead..........the floor is yours, go ahead and admit you were conned.

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Come on Memphis, you can do better then this dude, I was being polite, I've posted in at least 50 threads since that one, and consistently maintained that Haye had little chance of winning. In one I said, he had less then a 5% chance, in some I even said zero, nice try though mate.

cheers

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Haye has got off the floor three times to win, travelled to his opponents backyard for all his major bouts but has no heart after being outclassed by a superior fighter with a massive size advantage.

Deary deary me... some fans.

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good point bro, but haye talked alot before this and he didnt back it up. instead he made an excuse:(

Haye vs Arreola is one of the most interesting matching that could be made in the HW division. Fairly evenly matched. Haye is faster. Arreola is tougher. I'd put my money on tougher.

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Originally Posted by RozzySean

Haye vs Arreola is one of the most interesting matching that could be made in the HW division. Fairly evenly matched. Haye is faster. Arreola is tougher. I'd put my money on tougher.

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me too

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Originally Posted by Hunter

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Originally Posted by Hornfinger

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Originally Posted by Hulk

After seeing such a low punch output by David Haye last night and his loss to Wlad, wouldn't it make sense for him to face Chris Arreola ?

If they fought now who do you think would win ?

I'm inclined to pick Arreola after yesterday's debacle.

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Haye would rinse him easily. It won't happen though because it's pointless.

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Once again Haye would get on his bike. Arreola can take a good shot and has fast hands. I think Arreola outpoints Haye. Haye should move down to Cruiser weight.

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Haye would dance round arreola pick the fat cunt off and then knock him out or stop him. I doubt fatty arreola would lay a glove on him.

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Originally Posted by Dave Hughey

If Haye is going to stay in the game I'd like to see him fight some of the more deserving fighters like Arreola. Haye's had very little experience in the ring, really. He could stand to learn a lot. Might even become a decent fighter with a little more experience with the big guys.

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You know what? This may prove to be an excellent point!

Then again it might not ;D

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Originally Posted by Pavlik

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Haye has got off the floor three times to win, travelled to his opponents backyard for all his major bouts but has no heart after being outclassed by a superior fighter with a massive size advantage.

Deary deary me... some fans.

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good point bro, but haye talked alot before this and he didnt back it up. instead he made an excuse:(

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It annoys me that some people seem to be so gassed up and emotional by what some one else said that has no relation to them in any way. It's just talk. It's just bubblegum.

Some people get a little carried away...

Haye's still a solid boxer. He got beat by a better boxer.
Styles make fights, it's not like he would fight Arreola the same way he fought Wlad.

I'd side with Haye via mid-way TKO.