Haye vs. Arreola ?

[Fenster]

Haye has got off the floor three times to win, travelled to his opponents backyard for all his major bouts but has no heart after being outclassed by a superior fighter with a massive size advantage.

Deary deary me... some fans.

Sorry. The guy didn't try to win the other day. It's a grave boxing sin in my book. Far greater than getting drilled early but making a legit attempt (which actually isn't a boxing sin at all).

It's one thing for a mid-level guy just trying to survive to his next payday who is being used as a tuneup. But for a big money championship fight? If you get behind? Hopelssly behind? One MUST change tactics or take risks or amp up the intensity (pick one or combine them) to try to change the course of the fight.

He wasn't good enough to change anything. It was nothing to do with his lack of heart. Was he not still trying to win in the 12th?

So if Haye was sparked-out you would have gave him some praise, right? You wouldn't have been gloating about how you told everyone he was a useless shit-cunt that didn't have a chance? Hmmm...

I made my criteria for praising 13 very clear prior to the fight. He didn't need to win. If he fought courageously and well I'd praise him. One can get drilled early and meet those criteria (Tommy Hearns against Hagler, Patterson against Ingo, Graziano against Zale, Berg against Canzoneri, Darchyinian against Donaire as examples).

13 did neither.

BTW one doesn't have to be "good enough" to amp up the intensity. One just has to try harder and take risks.

13 did neither.

Frankly the idea he wouldn't try to win just never occurred to me before the fight. Why? Because outside of his "effort" against Valuev I simply had never seen anything like it before.

You thought Haye was shit before the fight. But now you are asking him to match the effort of "great" fighters in defeat. Or at least get himself knocked-out.

Ah well..

[marbleheadmaui]

Haye has got off the floor three times to win, travelled to his opponents backyard for all his major bouts but has no heart after being outclassed by a superior fighter with a massive size advantage.

Deary deary me... some fans.

Sorry. The guy didn't try to win the other day. It's a grave boxing sin in my book. Far greater than getting drilled early but making a legit attempt (which actually isn't a boxing sin at all).

It's one thing for a mid-level guy just trying to survive to his next payday who is being used as a tuneup. But for a big money championship fight? If you get behind? Hopelssly behind? One MUST change tactics or take risks or amp up the intensity (pick one or combine them) to try to change the course of the fight.

He wasn't good enough to change anything. It was nothing to do with his lack of heart. Was he not still trying to win in the 12th?

So if Haye was sparked-out you would have gave him some praise, right? You wouldn't have been gloating about how you told everyone he was a useless shit-cunt that didn't have a chance? Hmmm...

I made my criteria for praising 13 very clear prior to the fight. He didn't need to win. If he fought courageously and well I'd praise him. One can get drilled early and meet those criteria (Tommy Hearns against Hagler, Patterson against Ingo, Graziano against Zale, Berg against Canzoneri, Darchyinian against Donaire as examples).

13 did neither.

BTW one doesn't have to be "good enough" to amp up the intensity. One just has to try harder and take risks.

13 did neither.

Frankly the idea he wouldn't try to win just never occurred to me before the fight. Why? Because outside of his "effort" against Valuev I simply had never seen anything like it before.

You thought Haye was shit before the fight. But now you are asking him to match the effort of "great" fighters in defeat. Or at least get himself knocked-out.

Ah well..

The effort? Absolutely. The results? Nope.

Hell not the effort of great fighters, how about the effort of the kids we see on FNF every week? Too much to ask?