Yeah it would have been far better if a couple of hundred teenagers on a mile wide island were all packing shooters.
No way that's a recipe for utter carnage.
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Yeah it would have been far better if a couple of hundred teenagers on a mile wide island were all packing shooters.
No way that's a recipe for utter carnage.
A gun is a tool designed to kill. If everybody was reasonable in a society, it would't be a problem. However, most humans are not.... another part who's reasonable becomes idiot under the influence of drugs and alcohol and another reasonable part are potentially weak willed and can snaps at any moment. In that kind of circumstances, you have to think mass psychology and in a logic of mass psychology, letting people get military type of guns so easy is like dropping a whole bag of candy on a table in front of a class, telling them to only eat/take one and turn them your back. Doesn't work.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui
A gun is a tool. The MAN is the problem. Heck this guy used a bomb too!Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterA gun was the problem here and specialist police should have moved in way quicker from the sounds of things.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui
See that point of view applies to cars, boxcutters, baseball bats, knives, tire-irons and everything else that can POSSIBLY be used as a weapon.Quote:
Originally Posted by NamelessA gun is a tool designed to kill. If everybody was reasonable in a society, it would't be a problem. However, most humans are not.... another part who's reasonable becomes idiot under the influence of drugs and alcohol and another reasonable part are potentially weak willed and can snaps at any moment. In that kind of circumstances, you have to think mass psychology and in a logic of mass psychology, letting people get military type of guns so easy is like dropping a whole bag of candy on a table in front of a class, telling them to only eat/take one and turn them your back. Doesn't work.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiA gun is a tool. The MAN is the problem. Heck this guy used a bomb too!Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterA gun was the problem here and specialist police should have moved in way quicker from the sounds of things.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui
What do you think could be an answer then?Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiSee that point of view applies to cars, boxcutters, baseball bats, knives, tire-irons and everything else that can POSSIBLY be used as a weapon.Quote:
Originally Posted by NamelessA gun is a tool designed to kill. If everybody was reasonable in a society, it would't be a problem. However, most humans are not.... another part who's reasonable becomes idiot under the influence of drugs and alcohol and another reasonable part are potentially weak willed and can snaps at any moment. In that kind of circumstances, you have to think mass psychology and in a logic of mass psychology, letting people get military type of guns so easy is like dropping a whole bag of candy on a table in front of a class, telling them to only eat/take one and turn them your back. Doesn't work.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiA gun is a tool. The MAN is the problem. Heck this guy used a bomb too!Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterA gun was the problem here and specialist police should have moved in way quicker from the sounds of things.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui
No, actually it isn't. If it were? The NRA Convention would have mass killings every year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Sorry, the answer to what question?Quote:
Originally Posted by AndreWhat do you think could be an answer then?Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiSee that point of view applies to cars, boxcutters, baseball bats, knives, tire-irons and everything else that can POSSIBLY be used as a weapon.Quote:
Originally Posted by NamelessA gun is a tool designed to kill. If everybody was reasonable in a society, it would't be a problem. However, most humans are not.... another part who's reasonable becomes idiot under the influence of drugs and alcohol and another reasonable part are potentially weak willed and can snaps at any moment. In that kind of circumstances, you have to think mass psychology and in a logic of mass psychology, letting people get military type of guns so easy is like dropping a whole bag of candy on a table in front of a class, telling them to only eat/take one and turn them your back. Doesn't work.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiA gun is a tool. The MAN is the problem. Heck this guy used a bomb too!Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterA gun was the problem here and specialist police should have moved in way quicker from the sounds of things.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui
Maybe a new kind of armed security with civil proven mature aged men in it?
Noquestion, the answer to the problem of fuck wits with guns.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiSorry, the answer to what question?Quote:
Originally Posted by AndreWhat do you think could be an answer then?Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiSee that point of view applies to cars, boxcutters, baseball bats, knives, tire-irons and everything else that can POSSIBLY be used as a weapon.Quote:
Originally Posted by NamelessA gun is a tool designed to kill. If everybody was reasonable in a society, it would't be a problem. However, most humans are not.... another part who's reasonable becomes idiot under the influence of drugs and alcohol and another reasonable part are potentially weak willed and can snaps at any moment. In that kind of circumstances, you have to think mass psychology and in a logic of mass psychology, letting people get military type of guns so easy is like dropping a whole bag of candy on a table in front of a class, telling them to only eat/take one and turn them your back. Doesn't work.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiA gun is a tool. The MAN is the problem. Heck this guy used a bomb too!Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterA gun was the problem here and specialist police should have moved in way quicker from the sounds of things.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui
There are mass killings every year for people that own guns.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiNo, actually it isn't. If it were? The NRA Convention would have mass killings every year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Oh the general question of violence in society?Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre
I'm not sure there IS a good answer. Like many bad things I suspect it is an inherent cost of freedom.
My own view is that a bad guy with a baseball bat or a knife or a tire iron is a significant threat to the innocent. A reasonable man carrying a gun is not.
My own view is any man who permits himself, or his family, to be secure only at the whim of bad guys, the government or who leaves his security subject to the competence of the police is a fool.
Put another way. Al Queda having access to nuclear weapons troubles me from time to time. The Brits having them bothers me not at all.
Yup. And for every one there are literally THOUSANDS of meetings among people carrying where there is no violence whatsoever.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterThere are mass killings every year for people that own guns.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiNo, actually it isn't. If it were? The NRA Convention would have mass killings every year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Yup. You can't shoot someone if you don't have a gun.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiYup. And for every one there are literally THOUSANDS of meetings among people carrying where there is no violence whatsoever.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterThere are mass killings every year for people that own guns.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiNo, actually it isn't. If it were? The NRA Convention would have mass killings every year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Fuckwits are a problem in a free society. They are a problem with guns, knives, cars, clubs, booze, drugs etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndreNoquestion, the answer to the problem of fuck wits with guns.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiSorry, the answer to what question?Quote:
Originally Posted by AndreWhat do you think could be an answer then?Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiSee that point of view applies to cars, boxcutters, baseball bats, knives, tire-irons and everything else that can POSSIBLY be used as a weapon.Quote:
Originally Posted by NamelessA gun is a tool designed to kill. If everybody was reasonable in a society, it would't be a problem. However, most humans are not.... another part who's reasonable becomes idiot under the influence of drugs and alcohol and another reasonable part are potentially weak willed and can snaps at any moment. In that kind of circumstances, you have to think mass psychology and in a logic of mass psychology, letting people get military type of guns so easy is like dropping a whole bag of candy on a table in front of a class, telling them to only eat/take one and turn them your back. Doesn't work.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiA gun is a tool. The MAN is the problem. Heck this guy used a bomb too!Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterA gun was the problem here and specialist police should have moved in way quicker from the sounds of things.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui
They are fuckwits and cannot be accounted for if a free society is to remain free.
Unless you want to invoke the old Texas legal defense "He needed killing."
So do you have to prove you are ok or at least sane somehow to get a gun or gun license or dont licenses exist out there?
From here it seems that any fool can carry one around, so the regulations must be very lax.
LOL yeah and THAT'S why nobody ever kills with a knife or a rope or a club or their hands or a car or a fertilizer bomb etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterYup. You can't shoot someone if you don't have a gun.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiYup. And for every one there are literally THOUSANDS of meetings among people carrying where there is no violence whatsoever.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterThere are mass killings every year for people that own guns.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiNo, actually it isn't. If it were? The NRA Convention would have mass killings every year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
The right answer is of course being able to meet such a threat with a gun. I have done so twice in my life.