Carnage on a Norweigan Island

[Fenster]

Yeah it would have been far better if a couple of hundred teenagers on a mile wide island were all packing shooters.

No way that's a recipe for utter carnage.

[Nameless]

Let me see now, 700 kids of the politically prominent and NOBODY has a gun to protect them? This loon spent TWO HOURS hunting down and killing these kids.

ONE good man with a gun saves what? 75 lives?

A gun was the problem here and specialist police should have moved in way quicker from the sounds of things.

A gun is a tool. The MAN is the problem. Heck this guy used a bomb too!

A gun is a tool designed to kill. If everybody was reasonable in a society, it would't be a problem. However, most humans are not.... another part who's reasonable becomes idiot under the influence of drugs and alcohol and another reasonable part are potentially weak willed and can snaps at any moment. In that kind of circumstances, you have to think mass psychology and in a logic of mass psychology, letting people get military type of guns so easy is like dropping a whole bag of candy on a table in front of a class, telling them to only eat/take one and turn them your back. Doesn't work.

[marbleheadmaui]

Let me see now, 700 kids of the politically prominent and NOBODY has a gun to protect them? This loon spent TWO HOURS hunting down and killing these kids.

ONE good man with a gun saves what? 75 lives?

A gun was the problem here and specialist police should have moved in way quicker from the sounds of things.

A gun is a tool. The MAN is the problem. Heck this guy used a bomb too!

A gun is a tool designed to kill. If everybody was reasonable in a society, it would't be a problem. However, most humans are not.... another part who's reasonable becomes idiot under the influence of drugs and alcohol and another reasonable part are potentially weak willed and can snaps at any moment. In that kind of circumstances, you have to think mass psychology and in a logic of mass psychology, letting people get military type of guns so easy is like dropping a whole bag of candy on a table in front of a class, telling them to only eat/take one and turn them your back. Doesn't work.

See that point of view applies to cars, boxcutters, baseball bats, knives, tire-irons and everything else that can POSSIBLY be used as a weapon.

[Andre]

Let me see now, 700 kids of the politically prominent and NOBODY has a gun to protect them? This loon spent TWO HOURS hunting down and killing these kids.

ONE good man with a gun saves what? 75 lives?

A gun was the problem here and specialist police should have moved in way quicker from the sounds of things.

A gun is a tool. The MAN is the problem. Heck this guy used a bomb too!

A gun is a tool designed to kill. If everybody was reasonable in a society, it would't be a problem. However, most humans are not.... another part who's reasonable becomes idiot under the influence of drugs and alcohol and another reasonable part are potentially weak willed and can snaps at any moment. In that kind of circumstances, you have to think mass psychology and in a logic of mass psychology, letting people get military type of guns so easy is like dropping a whole bag of candy on a table in front of a class, telling them to only eat/take one and turn them your back. Doesn't work.

See that point of view applies to cars, boxcutters, baseball bats, knives, tire-irons and everything else that can POSSIBLY be used as a weapon.

What do you think could be an answer then?

[marbleheadmaui]

Yeah it would have been far better if a couple of hundred teenagers on a mile wide island were all packing shooters.

No way that's a recipe for utter carnage.

No, actually it isn't. If it were? The NRA Convention would have mass killings every year.

[marbleheadmaui]

Let me see now, 700 kids of the politically prominent and NOBODY has a gun to protect them? This loon spent TWO HOURS hunting down and killing these kids.

ONE good man with a gun saves what? 75 lives?

A gun was the problem here and specialist police should have moved in way quicker from the sounds of things.

A gun is a tool. The MAN is the problem. Heck this guy used a bomb too!

A gun is a tool designed to kill. If everybody was reasonable in a society, it would't be a problem. However, most humans are not.... another part who's reasonable becomes idiot under the influence of drugs and alcohol and another reasonable part are potentially weak willed and can snaps at any moment. In that kind of circumstances, you have to think mass psychology and in a logic of mass psychology, letting people get military type of guns so easy is like dropping a whole bag of candy on a table in front of a class, telling them to only eat/take one and turn them your back. Doesn't work.

See that point of view applies to cars, boxcutters, baseball bats, knives, tire-irons and everything else that can POSSIBLY be used as a weapon.

What do you think could be an answer then?

Sorry, the answer to what question?

[Andre]

Maybe a new kind of armed security with civil proven mature aged men in it?

[Andre]

Let me see now, 700 kids of the politically prominent and NOBODY has a gun to protect them? This loon spent TWO HOURS hunting down and killing these kids.

ONE good man with a gun saves what? 75 lives?

A gun was the problem here and specialist police should have moved in way quicker from the sounds of things.

A gun is a tool. The MAN is the problem. Heck this guy used a bomb too!

A gun is a tool designed to kill. If everybody was reasonable in a society, it would't be a problem. However, most humans are not.... another part who's reasonable becomes idiot under the influence of drugs and alcohol and another reasonable part are potentially weak willed and can snaps at any moment. In that kind of circumstances, you have to think mass psychology and in a logic of mass psychology, letting people get military type of guns so easy is like dropping a whole bag of candy on a table in front of a class, telling them to only eat/take one and turn them your back. Doesn't work.

See that point of view applies to cars, boxcutters, baseball bats, knives, tire-irons and everything else that can POSSIBLY be used as a weapon.

What do you think could be an answer then?

Sorry, the answer to what question?

Noquestion, the answer to the problem of fuck wits with guns.

[Fenster]

Yeah it would have been far better if a couple of hundred teenagers on a mile wide island were all packing shooters.

No way that's a recipe for utter carnage.

No, actually it isn't. If it were? The NRA Convention would have mass killings every year.

There are mass killings every year for people that own guns.

[marbleheadmaui]

Maybe a new kind of armed security with civil proven mature aged men in it?

Oh the general question of violence in society?

I'm not sure there IS a good answer. Like many bad things I suspect it is an inherent cost of freedom.

My own view is that a bad guy with a baseball bat or a knife or a tire iron is a significant threat to the innocent. A reasonable man carrying a gun is not.

My own view is any man who permits himself, or his family, to be secure only at the whim of bad guys, the government or who leaves his security subject to the competence of the police is a fool.

Put another way. Al Queda having access to nuclear weapons troubles me from time to time. The Brits having them bothers me not at all.

[marbleheadmaui]

Yeah it would have been far better if a couple of hundred teenagers on a mile wide island were all packing shooters.

No way that's a recipe for utter carnage.

No, actually it isn't. If it were? The NRA Convention would have mass killings every year.

There are mass killings every year for people that own guns.

Yup. And for every one there are literally THOUSANDS of meetings among people carrying where there is no violence whatsoever.

[Fenster]

Yeah it would have been far better if a couple of hundred teenagers on a mile wide island were all packing shooters.

No way that's a recipe for utter carnage.

No, actually it isn't. If it were? The NRA Convention would have mass killings every year.

There are mass killings every year for people that own guns.

Yup. And for every one there are literally THOUSANDS of meetings among people carrying where there is no violence whatsoever.

Yup. You can't shoot someone if you don't have a gun.

[marbleheadmaui]

Let me see now, 700 kids of the politically prominent and NOBODY has a gun to protect them? This loon spent TWO HOURS hunting down and killing these kids.

ONE good man with a gun saves what? 75 lives?

A gun was the problem here and specialist police should have moved in way quicker from the sounds of things.

A gun is a tool. The MAN is the problem. Heck this guy used a bomb too!

A gun is a tool designed to kill. If everybody was reasonable in a society, it would't be a problem. However, most humans are not.... another part who's reasonable becomes idiot under the influence of drugs and alcohol and another reasonable part are potentially weak willed and can snaps at any moment. In that kind of circumstances, you have to think mass psychology and in a logic of mass psychology, letting people get military type of guns so easy is like dropping a whole bag of candy on a table in front of a class, telling them to only eat/take one and turn them your back. Doesn't work.

See that point of view applies to cars, boxcutters, baseball bats, knives, tire-irons and everything else that can POSSIBLY be used as a weapon.

What do you think could be an answer then?

Sorry, the answer to what question?

Noquestion, the answer to the problem of fuck wits with guns.

Fuckwits are a problem in a free society. They are a problem with guns, knives, cars, clubs, booze, drugs etc.

They are fuckwits and cannot be accounted for if a free society is to remain free.

Unless you want to invoke the old Texas legal defense "He needed killing."

[Andre]

So do you have to prove you are ok or at least sane somehow to get a gun or gun license or dont licenses exist out there?
From here it seems that any fool can carry one around, so the regulations must be very lax.

[marbleheadmaui]

Yeah it would have been far better if a couple of hundred teenagers on a mile wide island were all packing shooters.

No way that's a recipe for utter carnage.

No, actually it isn't. If it were? The NRA Convention would have mass killings every year.

There are mass killings every year for people that own guns.

Yup. And for every one there are literally THOUSANDS of meetings among people carrying where there is no violence whatsoever.

Yup. You can't shoot someone if you don't have a gun.

LOL yeah and THAT'S why nobody ever kills with a knife or a rope or a club or their hands or a car or a fertilizer bomb etc.

The right answer is of course being able to meet such a threat with a gun. I have done so twice in my life.