Carnage on a Norweigan Island

[Fenster]

Yeah it would have been far better if a couple of hundred teenagers on a mile wide island were all packing shooters.

No way that's a recipe for utter carnage.

No, actually it isn't. If it were? The NRA Convention would have mass killings every year.

There are mass killings every year for people that own guns.

Yup. And for every one there are literally THOUSANDS of meetings among people carrying where there is no violence whatsoever.

Yup. You can't shoot someone if you don't have a gun.

[marbleheadmaui]

Yeah it would have been far better if a couple of hundred teenagers on a mile wide island were all packing shooters.

No way that's a recipe for utter carnage.

No, actually it isn't. If it were? The NRA Convention would have mass killings every year.

There are mass killings every year for people that own guns.

Yup. And for every one there are literally THOUSANDS of meetings among people carrying where there is no violence whatsoever.

Yup. You can't shoot someone if you don't have a gun.

LOL yeah and THAT'S why nobody ever kills with a knife or a rope or a club or their hands or a car or a fertilizer bomb etc.

The right answer is of course being able to meet such a threat with a gun. I have done so twice in my life.

[Fenster]

Yeah it would have been far better if a couple of hundred teenagers on a mile wide island were all packing shooters.

No way that's a recipe for utter carnage.

No, actually it isn't. If it were? The NRA Convention would have mass killings every year.

There are mass killings every year for people that own guns.

Yup. And for every one there are literally THOUSANDS of meetings among people carrying where there is no violence whatsoever.

Yup. You can't shoot someone if you don't have a gun.

LOL yeah and THAT'S why nobody ever kills with a knife or a rope or a club or their hands or a car or a fertilizer bomb etc.

The right answer is of course being able to meet such a threat with a gun. I have done so twice in my life.

I'll take my chances against a knife, rope, hands or club over a gun.

You've been in two gun fights? I love a good western. How'd it go?

[marbleheadmaui]

Yeah it would have been far better if a couple of hundred teenagers on a mile wide island were all packing shooters.

No way that's a recipe for utter carnage.

No, actually it isn't. If it were? The NRA Convention would have mass killings every year.

There are mass killings every year for people that own guns.

Yup. And for every one there are literally THOUSANDS of meetings among people carrying where there is no violence whatsoever.

Yup. You can't shoot someone if you don't have a gun.

LOL yeah and THAT'S why nobody ever kills with a knife or a rope or a club or their hands or a car or a fertilizer bomb etc.

The right answer is of course being able to meet such a threat with a gun. I have done so twice in my life.

I'll take my chances against a knife, rope, hands or club over a gun.

You've been in two gun fights? I love a good western. How'd it go?

Nope. Fights weren't necessary. I pumped the shotgun on one occasion and the guy who had broken into my house ran and on the second occasion I fired over the heads of three guys with bats. They chose not to proceed.

The point you are missing is if YOU have a gun? You needn't take any chance at all, or at least far less often.

Unless you are silly enough to think criminals/bad guys actually go unarmed because the law says they must.

[Fenster]

Yeah it would have been far better if a couple of hundred teenagers on a mile wide island were all packing shooters.

No way that's a recipe for utter carnage.

No, actually it isn't. If it were? The NRA Convention would have mass killings every year.

There are mass killings every year for people that own guns.

Yup. And for every one there are literally THOUSANDS of meetings among people carrying where there is no violence whatsoever.

Yup. You can't shoot someone if you don't have a gun.

LOL yeah and THAT'S why nobody ever kills with a knife or a rope or a club or their hands or a car or a fertilizer bomb etc.

The right answer is of course being able to meet such a threat with a gun. I have done so twice in my life.

I'll take my chances against a knife, rope, hands or club over a gun.

You've been in two gun fights? I love a good western. How'd it go?

Nope. Fights weren't necessary. I pumped the shotgun on one occasion and the guy who had broken into my house ran and on the second occasion I fired over the heads of three guys with bats. They chose not to proceed.

The point you are missing is if YOU have a gun? You needn't take any chance at all, or at least far less often.

Unless you are silly enough to think criminals/bad guys actually go unarmed because the law says they must.

I agree with you that the people using the weapon are far more dangerous than the actual weapon itself. However, the more readily available guns are the more chance of them falling into the wrong hands.

That's just common sense.

If I lived in America I would probably own a gun too.

[marbleheadmaui]

Yeah it would have been far better if a couple of hundred teenagers on a mile wide island were all packing shooters.

No way that's a recipe for utter carnage.

No, actually it isn't. If it were? The NRA Convention would have mass killings every year.

There are mass killings every year for people that own guns.

Yup. And for every one there are literally THOUSANDS of meetings among people carrying where there is no violence whatsoever.

Yup. You can't shoot someone if you don't have a gun.

LOL yeah and THAT'S why nobody ever kills with a knife or a rope or a club or their hands or a car or a fertilizer bomb etc.

The right answer is of course being able to meet such a threat with a gun. I have done so twice in my life.

I'll take my chances against a knife, rope, hands or club over a gun.

You've been in two gun fights? I love a good western. How'd it go?

Nope. Fights weren't necessary. I pumped the shotgun on one occasion and the guy who had broken into my house ran and on the second occasion I fired over the heads of three guys with bats. They chose not to proceed.

The point you are missing is if YOU have a gun? You needn't take any chance at all, or at least far less often.

Unless you are silly enough to think criminals/bad guys actually go unarmed because the law says they must.

I agree with you that the people using the weapon are far more dangerous than the actual weapon itself. However, the more readily available guns are the more chance of them falling into the wrong hands.

That's just common sense.

If I lived in America I would probably own a gun too.

Bad guys ALWAYS find ways to get guns. The most dangerous places in the US in terms of gun crime? Two of the most difficult places to own guns legally.

All gun control laws do is hamstring the law abiding. Bad guys don't worry much about the law...it's one of the things that makes them bad guys

[chinchekked]

Yeah it would have been far better if a couple of hundred teenagers on a mile wide island were all packing shooters.

No way that's a recipe for utter carnage.

No, actually it isn't. If it were? The NRA Convention would have mass killings every year.

There are mass killings every year for people that own guns.

Yup. And for every one there are literally THOUSANDS of meetings among people carrying where there is no violence whatsoever.

Yup. You can't shoot someone if you don't have a gun.

LOL yeah and THAT'S why nobody ever kills with a knife or a rope or a club or their hands or a car or a fertilizer bomb etc.

The right answer is of course being able to meet such a threat with a gun. I have done so twice in my life.

I'll take my chances against a knife, rope, hands or club over a gun.

You've been in two gun fights? I love a good western. How'd it go?

Nope. Fights weren't necessary. I pumped the shotgun on one occasion and the guy who had broken into my house ran and on the second occasion I fired over the heads of three guys with bats. They chose not to proceed.

The point you are missing is if YOU have a gun? You needn't take any chance at all, or at least far less often.

Unless you are silly enough to think criminals/bad guys actually go unarmed because the law says they must.

I agree with you that the people using the weapon are far more dangerous than the actual weapon itself. However, the more readily available guns are the more chance of them falling into the wrong hands.

That's just common sense.

If I lived in America I would probably own a gun too.

Bad guys ALWAYS find ways to get guns. The most dangerous places in the US in terms of gun crime? Two of the most difficult places to own guns legally.

All gun control laws do is hamstring the law abiding. Bad guys don't worry much about the law...it's one of the things that makes them bad guys

Spot on Marble, I grew up in a rough neighborhood and unfortunately 2 of my VERY best friends were victims of gun violence and also countless associates I knew in passing were gunned down. That being said when I work in New York and I look at the news I am amazed at the # of home invasions that take place and I know for a fact the reason this does not happen in VA. My point being that not only can one observe for themselves but statistics show that the #1 deterrent for criminals are armed citizens.

[Andre]

Yeah it would have been far better if a couple of hundred teenagers on a mile wide island were all packing shooters.

No way that's a recipe for utter carnage.

No, actually it isn't. If it were? The NRA Convention would have mass killings every year.

There are mass killings every year for people that own guns.

Yup. And for every one there are literally THOUSANDS of meetings among people carrying where there is no violence whatsoever.

Yup. You can't shoot someone if you don't have a gun.

I dont know if thats the answer.
Though there hasnt been a mass killing out here since our gun clean up. We all had guns,but there was an amnesty and a time limit to hand them in. Otherwise big fines jail etc.
Now only criminals, police and security have them. Unless you are a licenced hunter or target shooter then the guns are usually single shot in most cases so theres time to get them off of you if you do want to flip out in public .

There has been shoot outs but no mass murders of innocents in the streets like there once were. Our bikers try to rub out other gangs occasionally and the odd person gets caught in between, thats about all.

[marbleheadmaui]

Yeah it would have been far better if a couple of hundred teenagers on a mile wide island were all packing shooters.

No way that's a recipe for utter carnage.

No, actually it isn't. If it were? The NRA Convention would have mass killings every year.

There are mass killings every year for people that own guns.

Yup. And for every one there are literally THOUSANDS of meetings among people carrying where there is no violence whatsoever.

Yup. You can't shoot someone if you don't have a gun.

I dont know if thats the answer.
Though there hasnt been a mass killing out here since our gun clean up. We all had guns,but there was an amnesty and a time limit to hand them in. Otherwise big fines jail etc.
Now only criminals, police and security have them. Unless you are a licenced hunter or target shooter then the guns are usually single shot in most cases so theres time to get them off of you if you do want to flip out in public .

There has been shoot outs but no mass murders of innocents in the streets like there once were. Our bikers try to rub out other gangs occasionally and the odd person gets caught in between, thats about all.

It's obviously not the answer.

If guns were the problem? The Swiss would have mass killing all the time.

[Andre]

Yeah it would have been far better if a couple of hundred teenagers on a mile wide island were all packing shooters.

No way that's a recipe for utter carnage.

No, actually it isn't. If it were? The NRA Convention would have mass killings every year.

There are mass killings every year for people that own guns.

Yup. And for every one there are literally THOUSANDS of meetings among people carrying where there is no violence whatsoever.

Yup. You can't shoot someone if you don't have a gun.

I dont know if thats the answer.
Though there hasnt been a mass killing out here since our gun clean up. We all had guns,but there was an amnesty and a time limit to hand them in. Otherwise big fines jail etc.
Now only criminals, police and security have them. Unless you are a licenced hunter or target shooter then the guns are usually single shot in most cases so theres time to get them off of you if you do want to flip out in public .

There has been shoot outs but no mass murders of innocents in the streets like there once were. Our bikers try to rub out other gangs occasionally and the odd person gets caught in between, thats about all.

It's obviously not the answer.

If guns were the problem? The Swiss would have mass killing all the time.

Well it seems to have stopped ours.

[marbleheadmaui]

Yeah it would have been far better if a couple of hundred teenagers on a mile wide island were all packing shooters.

No way that's a recipe for utter carnage.

No, actually it isn't. If it were? The NRA Convention would have mass killings every year.

There are mass killings every year for people that own guns.

Yup. And for every one there are literally THOUSANDS of meetings among people carrying where there is no violence whatsoever.

Yup. You can't shoot someone if you don't have a gun.

I dont know if thats the answer.
Though there hasnt been a mass killing out here since our gun clean up. We all had guns,but there was an amnesty and a time limit to hand them in. Otherwise big fines jail etc.
Now only criminals, police and security have them. Unless you are a licenced hunter or target shooter then the guns are usually single shot in most cases so theres time to get them off of you if you do want to flip out in public .

There has been shoot outs but no mass murders of innocents in the streets like there once were. Our bikers try to rub out other gangs occasionally and the odd person gets caught in between, thats about all.

It's obviously not the answer.

If guns were the problem? The Swiss would have mass killing all the time.

Well it seems to have stopped ours.

Glad to hear it. Sadly our most gun strict cities remain our most gun violent areas.

[Andre]

oh we are unarmed public now. the fools bend and melted down all repeaters. And single shots have to be licenced and you have to be a target club member for a pistol.

(Intead of ruining all those great guns: they should of stored them to hand back to us all, if we get invaded by Indonesia's billions).After our first line of defense gives out.

[marbleheadmaui]

oh we are unarmed public now. the fools bend and melted down all repeaters. And single shots have to be licenced and you have to be a target club member for a pistol.

(Intead of ruining all those great guns: they should of stored them to hand back to us all, if we get invaded by Indonesia's billions).After our first line of defense gives out.

Your guys choice of course, but being subject to the whim of others seems, well, inconsistent with freedom over time in my view

In that context an experienced, and well armed, local militia seems like a good idea.

Thanks as always for your thoughts.