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Margarito is legally innocent, but there is no doubt in my mind he used plaster of paris in his first Cotto fight. None whatsoever. To be sure, when we have known 100% Margarito didn't use plaster, against top competition, he has no wins and three losses. Just sayin...Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Frankly, being objective as possible, Margarito's record pre-Mosley is forever tainted. Sure, we can't know for certain whether Margarito cheated against Cotto and Cintron, but we do know that he tried to cheat against Mosley and that forever taints him. What is to say that he didn't cheat against Cotto or Cintron? In addition, the same plaster product appeared to be in his gloves for the Cotto fight as Cotto showed in the 24/7 video.
The bold part is just entirely wrong and misses the point at the same time. Margacheato had no reason to worry about Mosley either. Mosley was an old man who had struglled with Mayorga. Margacheato was a big-time favorite going into the fight with Mosley. In contrast, going into the Cotto fight, the odds were even, and many people thought Cotto would outbox Margacheato. Additionally, for Margacheato's career trajectory, the Cotto fight was much more important than the Mosley fight. The Mosley fight was supposed to be a tune-up type of fight before a bigger pay day against Mayweather or someone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaNope because Cotto has been severely hurt by lesser fighters prior to their bout.. Ndou pushed him in the late rounds, Corley had him on queer street, even a green Torres almost got him out of there, and Judah did the same until he was low blowed out of desperation..Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBJust look at the handwraps the gauze doesn't break like that, there was obviously something very wrong with those handwraps. Miguel Cotto was able to push Antonio Margarito back, and stand his ground later in the fight. It's obvious Antonio Margarito's punches had nowhere the same effect. And if Antonio Margarito attemped to cheat vs an aging Shane Mosley, a fight in which he was a pretty solid favourite. You don't think he would of cheated against an undefeated 2 weight champion in his prime ?Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
With that said, Margarito had no reason to worry about Cotto to a point where he would have loaded his gloves.
People make him out to be an ordinary puncher without plaster, but it's not true.. You can just tell by the way he throws his punches that he's a hard hitter regardless..
and time and time again his own dumbass has contradicted himself, either way justice has been served and the pointy bearded bitch can crawl back to his little hole and become insignificant againQuote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
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Originally Posted by RantcatratMargarito is legally innocent, but there is no doubt in my mind he used plaster of paris in his first Cotto fight. None whatsoever. To be sure, when we have known 100% Margarito didn't use plaster, against top competition, he has no wins and three losses. Just sayin...Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
i believe he probably did use the wraps in the cotto fight, he was the favourite in the mosley fight build up, why start using them in a fight everyone is expecting you to win after winning a fight everyone was expecting you to lose?
having said that there is some doubt
I honestly believe i saw a similar pattern in this second fight as i did in the first, cotto was better prepared and also margarito was injured yet i think the last 3 rounds would have been interesting, I think there was more to suggest he didnt use the wraps in the first when considering the 2nd
also freddy roach (studying the situation) reckoned he used the wraps for the first time in a fight after the first cintron fight, i forget which one, his corner asked him how is the punch (or something like that, i remembered the facts at the time)
yet he did a better job on cintron the first time around
also perhaps the mosley fight just became a mega night for margarito, a must win fight, win it and you are a superstar, so perhaps that was the only time they tried
Marg is still a competitive fighter he has only lost to the best. He does not have to admit he padded his gloves it can be seen in his performances. Also if he did not realise his trainer was padding his gloves then how can he be certain they were not padded in the first fight with Cotto. There is no need for a third fight at all.
Very very good point here. It goes both ways for Margo when he used this excuse. Doesn't hold up under scrutiny IMO. He can't definitively say he never cheated when we look at this main excuse of his.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
On topic, don't think the eye issue would have made any difference since I don't see Cotto being in the same state that he was in their first fight during the later rounds. He had Margo's number with or without the eye issue.
forget plaster possibility for the first fight and forget the eye in the 2nd fight; Cotto did a few things different which seemed to be making a difference. He needs to thank Manny Steward and Diaz for the things they have done for him.
Steward(technical things he had Cotto focus on in camp and for their 2 fights together):
got Cotto to change slightly how he holds his hands in a defensive position. He used to have his elbows bowed out funny and it left him susceptible to uppercuts.
got Cotto in his 2 fights to have his feet less squared up.
got Cotto to not lean so far forward in close (leaving him susceptible to uppercuts).
got Cotto to stop doing the weird deep knee bends
Diaz
made sure Cotto didn't go straight back, rather always moved away laterally
had Cotto in great physical condition
The eye saved Margarito. People can blame something for his loss other than just getting beaten by the better man.
Margarito's carreer, beginning when he started to have the greatest success, must be questioned. He is 1-3 since discovery and found guilty thus suspended. He knockedout Sergio Martinez in 2000. I would start there.
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Originally Posted by Pugilist Sound
Does Margarito and Cepetillo strike you as smart people who can get away with plasters for 10 years?
When fighters are getting their hands wrapped, commision members and opposing camp members are there to watch the whole thing, it's their job..
It's ludacrious to think that they loaded their gloves for a decade..
for a decade no...but for the biggest fight of his career, wouldn't doubt it for a minute, especially given the results after being found outQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pugilist Sound
Does Margarito and Cepetillo strike you as smart people who can get away with plasters for 10 years?
When fighters are getting their hands wrapped, commision members and opposing camp members are there to watch the whole thing, it's their job..
It's ludacrious to think that they loaded their gloves for a decade..
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Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pugilist Sound
Does Margarito and Cepetillo strike you as smart people who can get away with plasters for 10 years?
When fighters are getting their hands wrapped, commision members and opposing camp members are there to watch the whole thing, it's their job..
It's ludacrious to think that they loaded their gloves for a decade..
F*ck no. But they used plaster BEFORE Mosley as well.
;)
It does not take geniuses to mix cement. Criminals who aren't smart get caught. Smart criminals get caught too. Since Margarito got caught he doesn't wear his foes down.
Terrible and tito, yea thats more reasonable.. I can buy that, fair enough.
Pugilistic kid, u sound like you are new to the sport. Welcome.