Re: Can Gavin Rees make Broner Jeff Lacy II?
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Broner maybe Jeff Lacy II, time will tell. Sadly though, I doubt Rees is Calzaghe II, but instead, more like Reid II...
Hope I am wrong, but I am taking Broner in a mid to late round stoppage, with Rees bravely going out on his shield.
Broner is no Lacy and will not be a Jeff Lacy. Broner has that born with talent that was not developed by anyone but himself. Yes he's a twat but he's also a kind of hybrid. A subtle mixture of Benton, Floyd and Burley.
Possibly; but who is to say that hindsight may show it was a mixture of Benton's power, Floyd Snr's drug habit and Burley's political connections?
Huh? That is your interpretation to what I said.
Here is mine. Bentons shoulder roll defense combined with Floyd Jr's counter punching with mule kick power from either side on a Burley seek and destroy mission.
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Lacy was a one dimensional hooker and the only reason he had the success he did is because his opponents broke a cardinal rule which is never hook with a hooker.
That is written with years of hindsight. Many of us were seriously high on Lacy, who was a hybrid too, of Barkley (limited but brave), Tua (left hook) and Davey Moore (one fight ruined him)...
Years of hindsight? I followed both of their careers in real time. I knew Joe would make him his chamber maid. How was Lacy a hybrid?
How is the Lacy/Calzaghe fight even come close to this style wise or any other wise?
The big American favourite fighting the Welsh underdog, that was why the comparison was used.
As for you calling Lacy/Calzaghe; well done, but you were in a minority amongst the neutrals.
Your rating of Broner though is a hunch, a prediction. It may or may not come to fruition.
And as for the hybrid comparison, you do know Broner like Lacy before him, were not actually hybrids, as that technology is not invented/available, particularly for a three way conception? Thus as a metaphor it can be used for any fighter! ;)
Re: Can Gavin Rees make Broner Jeff Lacy II?
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The ONLY similarities are that Rees is from Wales and Broner is from the US. For a better comparison with a Welshman fighting an American, look no further than when Gary Lockett made the trip over to face Kelly Pavlik in 2008, and Kelly Pavlik blew him out of the water in three rounds. Like his trainer was when he faced the Ghost from Youngstown, Lockett, Rees is a good domestic-level pug, facing a world-level talent in Broner. The sole reason this fight is getting attention at all is because Broner is in it. Otherwise, it belongs on ESPN FNF. It's a total mismatch. It won't go more than 4 rounds. Mark my words.
Please don't take that as any disrespect for Rees. Credit to him. He's coming to the USA to fight a p4p-type fighter. He also seems like a good dude and hopefully he makes a pretty penny for this fight.
Not a good comparison because he lost. Idiot.
Are you 6 years old or something? :rolleyes:
Re: Can Gavin Rees make Broner Jeff Lacy II?
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The ONLY similarities are that Rees is from Wales and Broner is from the US. For a better comparison with a Welshman fighting an American, look no further than when Gary Lockett made the trip over to face Kelly Pavlik in 2008, and Kelly Pavlik blew him out of the water in three rounds. Like his trainer was when he faced the Ghost from Youngstown, Lockett, Rees is a good domestic-level pug, facing a world-level talent in Broner. The sole reason this fight is getting attention at all is because Broner is in it. Otherwise, it belongs on ESPN FNF. It's a total mismatch. It won't go more than 4 rounds. Mark my words.
Please don't take that as any disrespect for Rees. Credit to him. He's coming to the USA to fight a p4p-type fighter. He also seems like a good dude and hopefully he makes a pretty penny for this fight.
Not a good comparison because he lost. Idiot.
Rees was game last night. Good for him. He had the strategy to beat Broner, and lost only on talent. He won the first two rounds on my card.
However, the comparison with Lockett and Pavlik was spot on. :teacher:
Re: Can Gavin Rees make Broner Jeff Lacy II?
You got your prediction wrong by less than a round too. 'Idiot'. ;)
Re: Can Gavin Rees make Broner Jeff Lacy II?
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Broner maybe Jeff Lacy II, time will tell. Sadly though, I doubt Rees is Calzaghe II, but instead, more like Reid II...
Hope I am wrong, but I am taking Broner in a mid to late round stoppage, with Rees bravely going out on his shield.
Broner is no Lacy and will not be a Jeff Lacy. Broner has that born with talent that was not developed by anyone but himself. Yes he's a twat but he's also a kind of hybrid. A subtle mixture of Benton, Floyd and Burley.
Possibly; but who is to say that hindsight may show it was a mixture of Benton's power, Floyd Snr's drug habit and Burley's political connections?
Huh? That is your interpretation to what I said.
Here is mine. Bentons shoulder roll defense combined with Floyd Jr's counter punching with mule kick power from either side on a Burley seek and destroy mission.
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Lacy was a one dimensional hooker and the only reason he had the success he did is because his opponents broke a cardinal rule which is never hook with a hooker.
That is written with years of hindsight. Many of us were seriously high on Lacy, who was a hybrid too, of Barkley (limited but brave), Tua (left hook) and Davey Moore (one fight ruined him)...
Years of hindsight? I followed both of their careers in real time. I knew Joe would make him his chamber maid. How was Lacy a hybrid?
How is the Lacy/Calzaghe fight even come close to this style wise or any other wise?
The big American favourite fighting the Welsh underdog, that was why the comparison was used.
As for you calling Lacy/Calzaghe; well done, but you were in a minority amongst the neutrals.
Your rating of Broner though is a hunch, a prediction. It may or may not come to fruition.
And as for the hybrid comparison, you do know Broner like Lacy before him, were not actually hybrids, as that technology is not invented/available, particularly for a
three way conception? Thus as a metaphor it can be used for any fighter! ;)
My rating of Broner is more then a hunch. Its empirical concluded by observation, experience and repeatability. My conclusions on Lacy are based on evidence gathered in the same manner and he's no hybrid and lots of people were taking Calzaghe at the time.
To my hybrid use well I was using as a direct link to Broners fighting style. Like a wolf/coyote hybrid or Polar/Grizzly hybrid. They are a bit of both. Broner has combined the styles of many fighters who used the shoulder or use the shoulder as the backbone to their style.Now I'm not saying that he brought out the Burley, Benton and Floyd tape and consciously made the effort. If you want to use the term hybrid for any fighter then be my guest.;)
Re: Can Gavin Rees make Broner Jeff Lacy II?
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Mt rating of Broner is more then a hunch. Its empirical concluded by observation, experience and repeatability .
Boxing is not an exact science, hence part of the enjoyment. You can indeed use "observation, experience and repeatability", but to suggest such leads to an empirical conclusion is really stretching the meaning of the word.
You, like me have a hunch Broner could be very special, time will tell.
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My conclusions on Lacy are based on evidence gathered in the same manner and he's no hybrid and lots of people were taking Calzaghe at the time.
I would say your 'conclusions' were flawed then and as the majority of the evidence and the bookies favoured Lacy. Of course people supported Calzaghe, I wanted him to win for instance, but I do not think he would!
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Mt rating of Broner is more then a hunch. Its empirical concluded by observation, experience and repeatability .
Boxing is not an exact science, hence part of the enjoyment. You can indeed use
"observation, experience and repeatability", but to suggest such leads to an empirical conclusion is really stretching the meaning of the word.
You, like me have a hunch Broner could be very special, time will tell.
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My conclusions on Lacy are based on evidence gathered in the same manner and he's no hybrid and lots of people were taking Calzaghe at the time.
I would say your 'conclusions' were flawed then and as the majority of the evidence and the bookies favoured Lacy. Of course people supported Calzaghe, I wanted him to win for instance, but I do not think he would!
How were they flawed, I was right.
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Every boxer has a hybrid style. If anyone thinks Mayweather came out of the box hiding his chin behind his shoulder they're wrong. He saw a version of it working for someone, took it, finessed it, and made it a part of his style.
Broner does the same thing, without leaning on the ropes.
Roy Jones comes closest to an original style, that I've seen, he did almost everything wrong except winning. IMO.
No they don't. If all boxers are hybrids then there is no such thing as a hybrid. Floyd is most definitely a student of Benton.
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How were they flawed, I was right.
It was flawed because you were right, and you needed to be wrong, to be proven right. As the evidence favoured Lacy, but Calzaghe won. You looked past the overall evidence, and had a hunch Joe would win, possibly using 'evidence' that was going against the general consensus, but hindsight shows, was proven correct. But there is no 'science' to that!
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A little fuzzy on the 'hybrid'. Every fighter duplicates, directly or indirectly, a style of fighters before them. Hybrid or not they pick up traits that are suited for a certain ability and attempt to use it. At times with success and other times it may blow up in a guys face if they don't first learn and master his own progression and ability. You can tie a towel around your neck and jump off the roof but that doesn't make you Superman. Golovkin has been compared to Tyson and Chavez already ffs. Alot of it is window dressing and interpretation based on what we've been exposed to. Floyd isnt Benton, Hopkins isnt Walcott and Broner isnt Floyd. Lastnight I saw a hybrid of a Floyd on the end but also I little Eddie Hopson and wide legged easily reachable Andre Berto in Broner. Larry Donald once thought he was Ali. Broner needs to calm down...relax...and focus...do what you do but do.not.get.ahead of himself and let the hype and spot light out pace his natural development.
Lacy was suspect the minute the network guys started asking him about his similarities to "a young Evander Holyfield" :-X
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A little fuzzy on the 'hybrid'. Every fighter duplicates, directly or indirectly, a style of fighters before them. Hybrid or not they pick up traits that are suited for a certain ability and attempt to use it. At times with success and other times it may blow up in a guys face if they don't first learn and master his own progression and ability. You can tie a towel around your neck and jump off the roof but that doesn't make you Superman. Golovkin has been compared to Tyson and Chavez already ffs. Alot of it is window dressing and interpretation based on what we've been exposed to. Floyd isnt Benton, Hopkins isnt Walcott and Broner isnt Floyd. Lastnight I saw a hybrid of a Floyd on the end but also I little Eddie Hopson and wide legged easily reachable Andre Berto in Broner. Larry Donald once thought he was Ali. Broner needs to calm down...relax...and focus...do what you do but do.not.get.ahead of himself and let the hype and spot light out pace his natural development.
Lacy was suspect the minute the network guys started asking him about his similarities to "a young Evander Holyfield" :-X
Lol. All I meant to say from the beginning was that I see parts of Floyd,George and Charley in Broners style hence the term hybrid. When I watch a wolf/coyote hybrid in the wild, they display traits of both species. I am fully aware that Broner's style or boxing traits are not a result of mating;D
Noun
"A thing made by combining at least two different elements; a mixture."
Adjective
"Of mixed character; composed of mixed parts."
And yes I suppose Primo Carnera could even claim influence from other fighters and call himself a hybrid.
How about this then. Broner has an odd style. Odd like Andre Wards is odd but not the same.
;D
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It won't go more than 4 rounds. Mark my words.
He went 5 rounds! Wow that must be pretty embarrassing. Like Floyd said to Larry...Saddo needs to fire you 'cause you don't know shit about boxin' ;D
