Tavoris Cloud vs. Bernard Hopkins - Saturday night chat/fight thread

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPteXJeKd64

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I think if Hop has anything left this could look like the Pavlik fight. If there is one guy Hop can still beat in the division its Cloud. You don't get much more one dimensional then he is.

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You will eat many Crow with this prediction grasshopper.. ;)

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;D I prefaced that prediction my friend;)

For all those bringing up sad Chad,its not hard to look worse then you are against him. If I was a betting man I'd throw a few quid on the old technician. Cloud is a one dimensional plodder that cant move above the waist let alone get his dome out of the way of a counter. I have no dog in the fight but will cheer for the old underdog.

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Hop used to be one of my favorite fighters, in his younger days, "X" was one of the best body punchers i've ever seen, you see flashes of this when he knocked out DeLaHoya with one. These days, Hop is just a shell of his former self, much like Roy Jones, who can't say no to another nice payday, that's why both these pugs are still fighting = money, it sure as fuck ain't because they love boxing.

Yes, Bernard we like you, we really, really like you, you're a legend, now get the fuck out of our faces and retire.

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I used to dislike the guy pre Tito and then hated him post Tito lol. But as time wore on I gained more and more respect for the guy although I'm not really a fan. No vested interest and him losing effects me very little. In many ways he's this eras version of Archie Moore. I dont agree that Hopkins needs money. In my opinion he is a throw back. I think he still has the fire.

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I didn't say that Hop or RJJ needed money, it's more like a money addiction they can't walk away from. As for Archie, I can't remember how old he was when he finally retired, 50 maybe? Good analogy, tell you what Moore was quite a character, always talking about that "sweet science".:cool:

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Hop has always been somewhat conservative with his punches, and even more so since he's gotten older. (that's the reason he lost both of his fights with Jermaine Taylor) Hop will try using every trick in his book to defeat Cloud, but it won't be enough, the much younger, more energetic Cloud will out ugly/work Hop and win a 12 round decision.

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I think Clouds energy can very well be used against him by a gloved crusty Yoda like Hopkins. He fights very very tense and although I do love his excitment and no bs approach he has no imagination and no second gear...no eye inside of his own hurricane. He's as strong as a Bull bit also as stubborn as one and it's raw strength. Hopkins will clinch him up and I think he can neutralize that strength by knowing what to do in there where Clouds inside game is on a milk carton and he can be pretty vertical. I don't think it's a bad match at all and am at the point where I'm stunned Father time hasn't pulled the floor from under Bernard and honestly a no frills guy like Cloud is getting a shot. I think he'll give Hopkins some Hell at times but I'm riding with the ring generalship and brain of the old geezer from Philly to rain on Clouds day. Ok that was Rodney Dangerfield cheese :-X

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@Spicoli
Considering how shitty Cloud looked in his last fight, (that he should have lost) against Gabriel Campillo, anything is possible. I may have to drag out and ice up a dusty six pack of Old Milwaukee Light in cans for this one.

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Old Milwaukee! Dude, times is tough ;D. For some strange reason when I watch Cloud and Hopkins do animated interviews I can see them both hanging on the stoop at 70 yrs old passing a bottle of Mad Dog 20/20.

I'm all in on this fight! Cloud is as honest as they come in the ring but I'm riding with Hopkins until he crash and burns once and for all and trying to pick his dentures up off the canvas ala Tyson and his mouthpiece ;D

Hopkins struggled against fighters with very fast hands -- RJJ, Calzaghe , Taylor , Dawson all are very fast. Cloud is not even as fast as Pascal. If we see the Hopkins that fought Dawson , B-Hop wins this clearly - around 116-112

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Originally Posted by gest12645

Hopkins struggled against fighters with very fast hands -- RJJ, Calzaghe , Taylor , Dawson all are very fast. Cloud is not even as fast as Pascal. If we see the Hopkins that fought Dawson , B-Hop wins this clearly - around 116-112

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Am I missing something here? The Hopkins that fought Dawson lost to him, and looked old in the process. :-X
Hop is basically just there to pick up a payday Saturday night, Cloud will win a decision, Hop will say he was robbed.

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I think if Hop has anything left this could look like the Pavlik fight. If there is one guy Hop can still beat in the division its Cloud. You don't get much more one dimensional then he is.

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You will eat many Crow with this prediction grasshopper.. ;)

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;D I prefaced that prediction my friend;)

For all those bringing up sad Chad,its not hard to look worse then you are against him. If I was a betting man I'd throw a few quid on the old technician. Cloud is a one dimensional plodder that cant move above the waist let alone get his dome out of the way of a counter. I have no dog in the fight but will cheer for the old underdog.

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Hop used to be one of my favorite fighters, in his younger days, "X" was one of the best body punchers i've ever seen, you see flashes of this when he knocked out DeLaHoya with one. These days, Hop is just a shell of his former self, much like Roy Jones, who can't say no to another nice payday, that's why both these pugs are still fighting = money, it sure as fuck ain't because they love boxing.

Yes, Bernard we like you, we really, really like you, you're a legend, now get the fuck out of our faces and retire.

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I used to dislike the guy pre Tito and then hated him post Tito lol. But as time wore on I gained more and more respect for the guy although I'm not really a fan. No vested interest and him losing effects me very little. In many ways he's this eras version of Archie Moore. I dont agree that Hopkins needs money. In my opinion he is a throw back. I think he still has the fire.

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I didn't say that Hop or RJJ needed money, it's more like a money addiction they can't walk away from.

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Greed.
One of seven Deadly Sins..

Cloud on Hopkins: There is a heightened sense of urgency - Boxing News

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Originally Posted by gest12645

Hopkins struggled against fighters with very fast hands -- RJJ, Calzaghe , Taylor , Dawson all are very fast. Cloud is not even as fast as Pascal. If we see the Hopkins that fought Dawson , B-Hop wins this clearly - around 116-112

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Am I missing something here? The Hopkins that fought Dawson lost to him, and looked old in the process. :-X
Hop is basically just there to pick up a payday Saturday night, Cloud will win a decision, Hop will say he was robbed.

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I completely disagree with you. I know Hopkins clearly lost to Dawson, but he still did manage to pick up at least 3 rounds. And realize, Cloud doesn't have near the speed Dawson has, and he isn't the craftiest fighter out there. Cloud struggled against Campillo, and had some problems with Mack!! Hopkins is taller, smarter, and I stand by my opinion, that if he shows up in similar shape as when he last fought, I think he will win.

This will be a very interesting fight, I hope Hopkins wins, if he does he needs to find the form he was in against Pascal. I know nothing of Cloud.

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Originally Posted by Master

This will be a very interesting fight, I hope Hopkins wins, if he does he needs to find the form he was in against Pascal. I know nothing of Cloud.

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Cloud is a good fighter, but has one game plan when he comes in the ring. If it works- he's golden. If it doesn't he's in trouble. Good power, speed is decent - overall he isn't spectacular. He does seem to start well but fades as the fight goes on.

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Originally Posted by Mars_ax

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Originally Posted by gest12645

Hopkins struggled against fighters with very fast hands -- RJJ, Calzaghe , Taylor , Dawson all are very fast. Cloud is not even as fast as Pascal. If we see the Hopkins that fought Dawson , B-Hop wins this clearly - around 116-112

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Am I missing something here? The Hopkins that fought Dawson lost to him, and looked old in the process. :-X
Hop is basically just there to pick up a payday Saturday night, Cloud will win a decision, Hop will say he was robbed.

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Ya can never put a price on stubborn pride and over inflated ego..that and the belief that he is still capable of schooling his opponent. Hopkins loves money but I think hes that rare breed who will never be payed to be a stepping stone while not having a real plan to win.

Yeah I see Hopkins controlling the pace of the fight

His rough house/ dirty tactics will no doubt assist throughout

I think Clouds in for a tough night

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Originally Posted by Master

This will be a very interesting fight, I hope Hopkins wins, if he does he needs to find the form he was in against Pascal. I know nothing of Cloud.

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He's like a 175 lb James Kirkland, except with a better chin and he's orthodox.

Very muscular, brings the heat early. Look up his fight with Glen Johnson, he was the first man hurt Johnson in a long time.

Hopkins has looked old lately but I figure there is a reason he picked Cloud as an opponent. I'm gunna say Hopkins wins a close decision but I couldn't be less sure.

Hopkins has looked old lately but I figure there is a reason he picked Cloud as an opponent. I'm gunna say Hopkins wins a close decision but I couldn't be less sure.