Re: No one else even a tiny bit suspicious about Hopkins?
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ross
He is 48 and yes he doesnt fight a dynamic style that looks like he could be on something but did Toney look like he was on them?
A year ago no one would have a bad word said against Lance Armstrong, if you did you were jealous and a hater. He has admitted now to using very suffisticated methods for years. Why would it be out of the realms of possibility for someone like Hopkins?
We have learnt with boxing when something looks too good to be true it generally turns out that way.
There was the time that Pascal asked him to take a test and Hopkins got more riled than I think we have ever seen him but gave no answer.
Hopkins Pascal II press conference steroids issue and what they have to say after. - YouTube
Also, one of the best and simplest methods to test for any substances amd is like a diary depending on how long is hair testing and Bernard shaves his head. They use hair testing commonly for new recruits in the police and other job applications but have never cottoned on in boxing. Now could this he because it is too comprehensive and they would prefer the smoke screen of pathetic urine testing?
I cant help but be suspicious of Hopkins. Years ago at middle weight he was losing it against the likes of Taylor but now years later and at a higher weight his work rate has improved?
Hopkins threw and landed more against Cloud than he did in the Taylor rematch over 7 years ago! Even against Dawson he threw more and against Calzaghe he threw more still!
I'm a lil more suspicious about the slim chance, but a chance nonetheless, that Cloud and other opponents could be paid off to let B-Hop win. I'm a huge Hopkins fan and I believe his wins are authentic, but with boxing you never know...
As far as the Taylor example, well Bernard was DRAINED down to 160 at an advanced age so he really had to conserve his energy. And Jermain Taylor was unbeaten then and a very perceived threat. He was perceived as better than he was by the press, fans and Hopkins himself.
Re: No one else even a tiny bit suspicious about Hopkins?
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His body isn't cut like it use to be. He's soft in the middle. He hasn't scored a knock out in almost 10 muthafukkin years. He throws like 20 punches a round cuz he'll gas if he doesn't pace himself. And he still provides himself a bunch of rest stops with his clinching and holding. If he's taking anything what exactly is it doing for him?
He may not be cut like he used to be but how do you explain a 48 year old throwing more punches against stronger world champs than he was fighting nearly 8 years ago?
Like I said, look at James Toney!
According to compubox:-
Hopkins v Trinidad 653 punches thrown in 2001
Hopkins v Winky 640 punches thrown in 2007
Hopkins v Calzaghe 468 punches thrown in 2008
Hopkins v Pavlik 540 punches thrown in 2008
Hopkins v Dawson 2 punches thrown 400 in 2012
Hopkins v Cloud 417 punches thrown in 2013
What was your point?
Hopkins vs Taylor, a fighter his own size at middleweight he threw 371. He throws less against fighters his own size but you cannot deny that from throwing 371 in 2005 when he was already 40 to throwing 400 against Dawson and 417 against Cloud 8 years later is not in he slightest suspicious?:rolleyes:
Taylor was an outstanding athlete, with quick hands, quick feet, and good lateral movement. Nobody throws a lot of punches against a guy like that. It's like asking why Pacquiao's punch output drops when he fights Marquez.
Unless your Cory Spinks 542 or Winky Wight 643 both ex light middles...
Re: No one else even a tiny bit suspicious about Hopkins?
Jermain was a very good fighter until the partying caught up with him....and also the end of both of the fights vs Hopkins probably made him damaged goods.
Hopkins is who he is, he's always been a difficult fight because he's so damned cagey. He's awkward & strong & a good ring general, but I will say I hate the dude. I just wish Roy Jones Jr rematched him a lot sooner than when he did, but also that was B-Hop's doing as well as he wasn't going to leave 160 til he got beaten & Roy could no longer make the weight.
I wonder how Hop would have done vs Eubank, Benn, Collins, Jackson, Toney et al
Re: No one else even a tiny bit suspicious about Hopkins?
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El Kabong
Jermain was a very good fighter until the partying caught up with him....and also the end of both of the fights vs Hopkins probably made him damaged goods.
Hopkins is who he is, he's always been a difficult fight because he's so damned cagey. He's awkward & strong & a good ring general, but I will say I hate the dude. I just wish Roy Jones Jr rematched him a lot sooner than when he did, but also that was B-Hop's doing as well as he wasn't going to leave 160 til he got beaten & Roy could no longer make the weight.
I wonder how Hop would have done vs Eubank, Benn, Collins, Jackson, Toney et al
Eubank, Benn and Toney would have all beaten Hopkins. He struggled with class middleweights, genuine natural middleweights.
Re: No one else even a tiny bit suspicious about Hopkins?
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ross
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El Kabong
Jermain was a very good fighter until the partying caught up with him....and also the end of both of the fights vs Hopkins probably made him damaged goods.
Hopkins is who he is, he's always been a difficult fight because he's so damned cagey. He's awkward & strong & a good ring general, but I will say I hate the dude. I just wish Roy Jones Jr rematched him a lot sooner than when he did, but also that was B-Hop's doing as well as he wasn't going to leave 160 til he got beaten & Roy could no longer make the weight.
I wonder how Hop would have done vs Eubank, Benn, Collins, Jackson, Toney et al
Eubank, Benn and Toney would have all beaten Hopkins. He struggled with class middleweights, genuine natural middleweights.
Like whom?
Re: No one else even a tiny bit suspicious about Hopkins?
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Bobthepen
Like whom?
......Jermain Taylor
Re: No one else even a tiny bit suspicious about Hopkins?
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Hulk
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ross
He is 48 and yes he doesnt fight a dynamic style that looks like he could be on something but did Toney look like he was on them?
A year ago no one would have a bad word said against Lance Armstrong, if you did you were jealous and a hater. He has admitted now to using very suffisticated methods for years. Why would it be out of the realms of possibility for someone like Hopkins?
We have learnt with boxing when something looks too good to be true it generally turns out that way.
There was the time that Pascal asked him to take a test and Hopkins got more riled than I think we have ever seen him but gave no answer.
Hopkins Pascal II press conference steroids issue and what they have to say after. - YouTube
Also, one of the best and simplest methods to test for any substances amd is like a diary depending on how long is hair testing and Bernard shaves his head. They use hair testing commonly for new recruits in the police and other job applications but have never cottoned on in boxing. Now could this he because it is too comprehensive and they would prefer the smoke screen of pathetic urine testing?
I cant help but be suspicious of Hopkins. Years ago at middle weight he was losing it against the likes of Taylor but now years later and at a higher weight his work rate has improved?
Hopkins threw and landed more against Cloud than he did in the Taylor rematch over 7 years ago! Even against Dawson he threw more and against Calzaghe he threw more still!
I'm a lil more suspicious about the slim chance, but a chance nonetheless, that Cloud and other opponents could be paid off to let B-Hop win. I'm a huge Hopkins fan and I believe his wins are authentic, but with boxing you never know...
As far as the Taylor example, well Bernard was DRAINED down to 160 at an advanced age so he really had to conserve his energy. And Jermain Taylor was unbeaten then and a very perceived threat. He was perceived as better than he was by the press, fans and Hopkins himself.
That is really really stretching it!
Over the last year alone how many fighters have been caught cheating? Then you have the whole Lance Armstrong thing that no body could ever accept before hand he would ever dream of cheating. Do not be fooled like Armstrong fooled every one. No 48 year old beats a 31 year old world champion in boxing. There have been far better skilled fighters than Hopkins but all have deteriorated with age. Suspicious is what it is and I will not believe he is not cheating u til he proves it and he did have a chance to put rumours to bed when Pascal brought it up but chose to be looked at under suspicion instead of awe.
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He's so much smarter than Cloud he won just the way we thought he would, if Hopkins were on PEDs he would be even more dominant
Haha! Yeah right!
You lot think by anyone taking peformance enhancing drugs will instantly turn them in to superman. No. Hopkins is skillfull but he is fucking 48! Even with drugs he's not going to turn in to Mike Tyson!
To me, whatever he is taking is allowing him to work harder now than he did 8 years ago.
You dont start training harder at 48, after that many middleweight defences...
Hopkins does
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Was George Foreman cutting his steroids with butter then?
Re: No one else even a tiny bit suspicious about Hopkins?
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ross
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El Kabong
Jermain was a very good fighter until the partying caught up with him....and also the end of both of the fights vs Hopkins probably made him damaged goods.
Hopkins is who he is, he's always been a difficult fight because he's so damned cagey. He's awkward & strong & a good ring general, but I will say I hate the dude. I just wish Roy Jones Jr rematched him a lot sooner than when he did, but also that was B-Hop's doing as well as he wasn't going to leave 160 til he got beaten & Roy could no longer make the weight.
I wonder how Hop would have done vs Eubank, Benn, Collins, Jackson, Toney et al
Eubank, Benn and Toney would have all beaten Hopkins. He struggled with class middleweights, genuine natural middleweights.
Benn style was fucking made for Hopkins. He would of been embarrassed.
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Hulk
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Originally Posted by
ross
He is 48 and yes he doesnt fight a dynamic style that looks like he could be on something but did Toney look like he was on them?
A year ago no one would have a bad word said against Lance Armstrong, if you did you were jealous and a hater. He has admitted now to using very suffisticated methods for years. Why would it be out of the realms of possibility for someone like Hopkins?
We have learnt with boxing when something looks too good to be true it generally turns out that way.
There was the time that Pascal asked him to take a test and Hopkins got more riled than I think we have ever seen him but gave no answer.
Hopkins Pascal II press conference steroids issue and what they have to say after. - YouTube
Also, one of the best and simplest methods to test for any substances amd is like a diary depending on how long is hair testing and Bernard shaves his head. They use hair testing commonly for new recruits in the police and other job applications but have never cottoned on in boxing. Now could this he because it is too comprehensive and they would prefer the smoke screen of pathetic urine testing?
I cant help but be suspicious of Hopkins. Years ago at middle weight he was losing it against the likes of Taylor but now years later and at a higher weight his work rate has improved?
Hopkins threw and landed more against Cloud than he did in the Taylor rematch over 7 years ago! Even against Dawson he threw more and against Calzaghe he threw more still!
I'm a lil more suspicious about the slim chance, but a chance nonetheless, that Cloud and other opponents could be paid off to let B-Hop win. I'm a huge Hopkins fan and I believe his wins are authentic, but with boxing you never know...
As far as the Taylor example, well Bernard was DRAINED down to 160 at an advanced age so he really had to conserve his energy. And Jermain Taylor was unbeaten then and a very perceived threat. He was perceived as better than he was by the press, fans and Hopkins himself.
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Re: No one else even a tiny bit suspicious about Hopkins?
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Violent Demise
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ross
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Onetime
He's so much smarter than Cloud he won just the way we thought he would, if Hopkins were on PEDs he would be even more dominant
Haha! Yeah right!
You lot think by anyone taking peformance enhancing drugs will instantly turn them in to superman. No. Hopkins is skillfull but he is fucking 48! Even with drugs he's not going to turn in to Mike Tyson!
To me, whatever he is taking is allowing him to work harder now than he did 8 years ago.
You dont start training harder at 48, after that many middleweight defences...
Hopkins does
Exactly my point...
Re: No one else even a tiny bit suspicious about Hopkins?
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Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by
ross
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El Kabong
Jermain was a very good fighter until the partying caught up with him....and also the end of both of the fights vs Hopkins probably made him damaged goods.
Hopkins is who he is, he's always been a difficult fight because he's so damned cagey. He's awkward & strong & a good ring general, but I will say I hate the dude. I just wish Roy Jones Jr rematched him a lot sooner than when he did, but also that was B-Hop's doing as well as he wasn't going to leave 160 til he got beaten & Roy could no longer make the weight.
I wonder how Hop would have done vs Eubank, Benn, Collins, Jackson, Toney et al
Eubank, Benn and Toney would have all beaten Hopkins. He struggled with class middleweights, genuine natural middleweights.
Benn style was fucking made for Hopkins. He would of been embarrassed.
I spose abenns style was also taylor made for McClellan too. If that fight had never happened and McClellan had had to retire right before that fight, this is exactly what would have been said about it. It was almost true but for Benn being a hard stubborn bastard.
Re: No one else even a tiny bit suspicious about Hopkins?
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Bobthepen
Was George Foreman cutting his steroids with butter then?
Maybe he had the same stuff Toney did...:rolleyes: by fuck people are thick! You don't look like adonis just because you took steroids! They will though enhance your performance.
Foreman wasn't outperforming his younger self. He wasn't throwing more punches in a fight than he used to.
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