Re: Catchweights are becoming an easy copout.
How old is modern boxing? About 150 years old? If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
There was a time when fighters adhered to the established weight divisions.
Titles were won in established weight divisions.
Weight gain has always been an issue from the previous day weigh-in to fight time. But it wasn't until the rise in the use of diuretics to achieve artificial weight loss, that fighters like the scumbag cheat Cesar Chavez Jr. made a habit of coming into the ring 20-25 pounds over the weigh-in weight.
Re: Catchweights are becoming an easy copout.
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Violent Demise
You got a fighter (Lamont Peterson) who needed help from a ref to get his title. Fails a drug test. His title which should of been stripped isn't. Every one (including his mother and brother) agree it should of been stripped. Except for the IBF nobody even considers him a champion. Now for some reason muthafukkas who complained about Peterson not being stripped are crying cuz his paper title is not on the line. Are you fucking kidding me? Why does that even matter? The title is worthless anyway. Boxing has a lot problems. One of it's biggest is having stupid muthafukkin fans who either don't know shit about boxing or complain just for the sake of fucking complaining
Because the same muthafuckin Pederson is going to continue to reep rewards and pay from that worthless POS, as well as clog up my premium channel air time in the future because some network will air another 'big name' taking that POS in a "Championship" fight.
Call it a non title fight then. If you lose, you should not be allowed to lose 'half way'.
Re: Catchweights are becoming an easy copout.
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Violent Demise
You got a fighter (Lamont Peterson) who needed help from a ref to get his title. Fails a drug test. His title which should of been stripped isn't. Every one (including his mother and brother) agree it should of been stripped. Except for the IBF nobody even considers him a champion. Now for some reason muthafukkas who complained about Peterson not being stripped are crying cuz his paper title is not on the line. Are you fucking kidding me? Why does that even matter? The title is worthless anyway. Boxing has a lot problems. One of it's biggest is having stupid muthafukkin fans who either don't know shit about boxing or complain just for the sake of fucking complaining
Because the same muthafuckin Pederson is going to continue to reep rewards and pay from that worthless POS, as well as clog up my premium channel air time in the future because some network will air another 'big name' taking that POS in a "Championship" fight.
Call it a non title fight then. If you lose, you should not be allowed to lose 'half way'.
What rewards is he actually reeping? His last title defense was on ESPN. He's not exactly reeping anything. The fighters and Show Time are doing the smart thing by ignoring both worthless titles. Cuz if the titles had to be on the line than this fight most likely doesn't happen
Muthafukkas wanna go around saying dumb shit like if it ain't broke, don't fix it. That just shows how ignorant muthafukkas are. They acting like catchweight fights are something new. They only been around since the 1800's
Re: Catchweights are becoming an easy copout.
Who gives a flying fuck if catchweights have been around for a long time? The issue is how they're being used and abused now. Granted, not everyone has the intelligence to grasp this argument. But it's true nonetheless. Making weight has always been part of boxing. Someone went to the trouble of establishing the weight limits for each weight class. Like I said before, they've not 20 pounds apart. They're 7 pounds apart. Designed so that if the muthafuka (one "k") can't make 140... he can fight at 147. Does it take work and dedication? Duh... yeah. It's a fucking sport. It's supposed to involve hard work and personal sacrifice. That's what makes it so interesting. But hey..... it's not just because I said so. All you have to do is go back through the thread and see who is arguing the loudest for the catchweights. That in itself renders any further argument pointless.
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I would have no problem with catchweights if the weigh in was the day of the fight. This way guys who weight drain won't be able to pile weight back on and won't have an advantage. Did you see the guff of Ward offering Mayweather a fight at middleweight. Go fuck yourself and fight Adamek or Haye at Cruiser
That is the ticket. If you are going to negotiate a catchweight bout, then also agree to make that weight that day. Even better, at ringside. That would make "weight" relevant again, because weight and weight classes all become irrelevant when "lightweights" are fighting at 152.
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I would have no problem with catchweights if the weigh in was the day of the fight. This way guys who weight drain won't be able to pile weight back on and won't have an advantage. Did you see the guff of Ward offering Mayweather a fight at middleweight. Go fuck yourself and fight Adamek or Haye at Cruiser
That is the ticket.
If you are going to negotiate a catchweight bout, then also agree to make that weight that day. Even better, at ringside. That would make "weight" relevant again, because weight and weight classes all become irrelevant when "lightweights" are fighting at 152.
That would put some muthafukas out of business.
Like Sulaiman...er... I mean... Chavez Jr.
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Violent Demise
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Spicoli
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Violent Demise
You got a fighter (Lamont Peterson) who needed help from a ref to get his title. Fails a drug test. His title which should of been stripped isn't. Every one (including his mother and brother) agree it should of been stripped. Except for the IBF nobody even considers him a champion. Now for some reason muthafukkas who complained about Peterson not being stripped are crying cuz his paper title is not on the line. Are you fucking kidding me? Why does that even matter? The title is worthless anyway. Boxing has a lot problems. One of it's biggest is having stupid muthafukkin fans who either don't know shit about boxing or complain just for the sake of fucking complaining
Because the same muthafuckin Pederson is going to continue to reep rewards and pay from that worthless POS, as well as clog up my premium channel air time in the future because some network will air another 'big name' taking that POS in a "Championship" fight.
Call it a non title fight then. If you lose, you should not be allowed to lose 'half way'.
What rewards is he actually reeping? His last title defense was on ESPN. He's not exactly reeping anything. The fighters and Show Time are doing the smart thing by ignoring both worthless titles. Cuz if the titles had to be on the line than this fight most likely doesn't happen
Muthafukkas wanna go around saying dumb shit like if it ain't broke, don't fix it. That just shows how ignorant muthafukkas are. They acting like catchweight fights are something new. They only been around since the 1800's
I wouldn't call it ignoring the trinkets so much as them insuring its future by doing so. Hes still wearing the belt. No doubt some crooked alphabet boy hack broke it down and Pederson just winks and nods. He'll make more future coin off his juice cheat and keep the fees coming on a paperweight belt he shouldn't have in the first place. The ibf thinks "not rated" is a more worthy top ten contender than Matthysse, who has more than earned a title shot but will again settle on some 'interim' bullcrap.
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Ftr I don't mind the odd catch weight fight as long as a title is not involved or dismissed.
Peterson vs Matthysse is not a title fight. So what the fuck are you crying about? Who gives a fuck if Peterson's paper IBF title (that should of been stripped) and Matthysse WBC Interim title (why he even has an interim title I have no fucking idea) is not on the line. Those belts are fucking meaningless anyway. They need to be dismissed. Muthafukkas can't complain about the organizations and than bitch that there titles are not on the line. It's fucking stupid
Are you that stupid and who's fucking crying pinhead? You are.Its not a title fight because of a stupid 1 pound catchweight idiot. Fucking combative twerp. If your pretzel logic does not work just go on the attack and try to change the topic. Heres an idea, read the thread. Shit you probably hate catchweights but pretend to like them because TitoFan started this thread. Who cares about the meaningless titles well apparently the boxers do. Hello... Now you go ahead and continue to antagonize but this is my last response on this topic. You think catchweights are needed in an already watered down 17 division system. I don't.
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IamInuit
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Violent Demise
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IamInuit
Ftr I don't mind the odd catch weight fight as long as a title is not involved or dismissed.
Peterson vs Matthysse is not a title fight. So what the fuck are you crying about? Who gives a fuck if Peterson's paper IBF title (that should of been stripped) and Matthysse WBC Interim title (why he even has an interim title I have no fucking idea) is not on the line. Those belts are fucking meaningless anyway. They need to be dismissed. Muthafukkas can't complain about the organizations and than bitch that there titles are not on the line. It's fucking stupid
Are you that stupid and who's fucking crying pinhead? You are.Its not a title fight because of a stupid 1 pound catchweight idiot. Fucking combative twerp. If your pretzel logic does not work just go on the attack and try to change the topic. Heres an idea, read the thread. Shit you probably hate catchweights but pretend to like them because TitoFan started this thread. Who cares about the meaningless titles well apparently the boxers do. Hello... Now you go ahead and continue to antagonize but this is my last response on this topic. You think catchweights are needed in an already watered down 17 division system. I don't.
Good. You're not making any fucking sense anyway. Just like the stupid thread title. It doesn't matter what fag started it. It has no point. "Catchweights are becoming an easy copout" An easy copout to what? Making good fights? And that's a bad thing? It's what everybody wants.
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Violent Demise
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Spicoli
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Violent Demise
You got a fighter (Lamont Peterson) who needed help from a ref to get his title. Fails a drug test. His title which should of been stripped isn't. Every one (including his mother and brother) agree it should of been stripped. Except for the IBF nobody even considers him a champion. Now for some reason muthafukkas who complained about Peterson not being stripped are crying cuz his paper title is not on the line. Are you fucking kidding me? Why does that even matter? The title is worthless anyway. Boxing has a lot problems. One of it's biggest is having stupid muthafukkin fans who either don't know shit about boxing or complain just for the sake of fucking complaining
Because the same muthafuckin Pederson is going to continue to reep rewards and pay from that worthless POS, as well as clog up my premium channel air time in the future because some network will air another 'big name' taking that POS in a "Championship" fight.
Call it a non title fight then. If you lose, you should not be allowed to lose 'half way'.
What rewards is he actually reeping? His last title defense was on ESPN. He's not exactly reeping anything. The fighters and Show Time are doing the smart thing by ignoring both worthless titles. Cuz if the titles had to be on the line than this fight most likely doesn't happen
Muthafukkas wanna go around saying dumb shit like if it ain't broke, don't fix it. That just shows how ignorant muthafukkas are. They acting like catchweight fights are something new. They only been around since the 1800's
I wouldn't call it ignoring the trinkets so much as them insuring its future by doing so. Hes still wearing the belt. No doubt some crooked alphabet boy hack broke it down and Pederson just winks and nods. He'll make more future coin off his juice cheat and keep the fees coming on a paperweight belt he shouldn't have in the first place. The ibf thinks "not rated" is a more worthy top ten contender than Matthysse, who has more than earned a title shot but will again settle on some 'interim' bullcrap.
Man I expected better from you. Cuz you got things all twisted up. Peterson's IBF title is not on the line cuz of Matthysse. Not Peterson. Matthysse is the WBC interim champion. Which means he's next in line to face the regular WBC champion Danny Garcia. If Matthysse loses to Peterson at 140 he also loses the Garcia fight. Cuz he would obviously drop in the rankings. The only way Matthysse is protected from a loss is if the loss was while fighting in another division. Having the fight at 141 makes it a welterweight fight. And a non-title fight. Peterson's can't defend his junior welterweight title in a welterweight fight. If Mattysee loses his ranking at 140 isn't affected. And the Garcia fight is there. Matthysse is the reason it's a non-title fight at 141. Peterson is goining along with it cause it's paying him well
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Catchweights are actually the fairest form of boxing you can get. BOTH fighters have to be in unison. One man says he's comfortable making the agreed weight, the other man says he's comfortable making the agreed weight. Harmony.
You can't have excuses after like - "he was weightdrained," "he's small at the weight," "he's big at the weight"
The best man wins. Perfect.
Bullshit. Everyone bitched when Pac made Cotto drop 2 pounds. Sometimes fighters request a catchweight to gain an unfair advantage.
Only silly fans bitched AFTER Cotto had been duffed up.
Cotto had NO PROBLEM agreeing to the weight.
Catchweights are requested to make an EVEN playing field. If a fighter AGREES to make the weight, he has ZERO excuses if he loses. Simple as.
Yeah he did. The fight stalled for a while because Pac wanted 144. Cotto took it for the money, then was pissed because the WBO said his 147 his belt was on the line.
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Fenster
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bzkfn
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Fenster
Catchweights are actually the fairest form of boxing you can get. BOTH fighters have to be in unison. One man says he's comfortable making the agreed weight, the other man says he's comfortable making the agreed weight. Harmony.
You can't have excuses after like - "he was weightdrained," "he's small at the weight," "he's big at the weight"
The best man wins. Perfect.
Bullshit. Everyone bitched when Pac made Cotto drop 2 pounds. Sometimes fighters request a catchweight to gain an unfair advantage.
Only silly fans bitched AFTER Cotto had been duffed up.
Cotto had NO PROBLEM agreeing to the weight.
Catchweights are requested to make an EVEN playing field. If a fighter AGREES to make the weight, he has ZERO excuses if he loses. Simple as.
Yeah he did. The fight stalled for a while because Pac wanted 144. Cotto took it for the money, then was pissed because the WBO said his 147 his belt was on the line.
Look i'm not getting into a Cotto-Pac argument,* specific cases are irrelevant. I'm just saying there's nothing wrong with catchweights. I couldn't careless if a fight doesn't involve a micky mouse belt.
*For the record - Cotto said he was fine with 145 "I am going to reach 145 with no problem. The last fight I spent more than 24 hours doing nothing. Just waiting for the weigh-in. My weight was 145. We would not have taken this fight if we didn’t think I was going to be at my best."
No excuses.
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IamInuit
Shit you probably hate catchweights but pretend to like them because TitoFan started this thread.
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