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He went to light middle first.Quote:
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Originally Posted by VendettosTo be fair, he was knocking people out all over the place at MW before the Hopkins fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Tito fought one time at MW prior to Hopkins and that was to Joppy.
Not a huge difference, if your power holds at LMW then not too far fetched hat you can hold it at MW.
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Originally Posted by ruthless roccohis power didn't hold against hopkins cause his hands weren't wrapped in the special way his father always wrapped them.Quote:
Originally Posted by VendettosHe went to light middle first.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceQuote:
Originally Posted by VendettosTo be fair, he was knocking people out all over the place at MW before the Hopkins fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Tito fought one time at MW prior to Hopkins and that was to Joppy.
Not a huge difference, if your power holds at LMW then not too far fetched hat you can hold it at MW.
watch the fight tito. lands a few punches early and quickly realizes that he has no power. hopkins quickly realizes that tito has no plan b. easy fight for b-hop.
Yea tell Mayorga that.
I only deal in factsQuote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
VD is no longer in his prime.
1. Yes I agree 100 percent they should have fought three times, which is why I made this thread.
2. Trinidad was one of the many boxers who believed that Oscar did not deserve his popularity, there were other great boxers at the time that werent getting a quarter of what he was getting, he got into an ego battle with Oscar, in their first fight he didn't have enough leverage to demand a 50-50 split despite being the champ for 6 years, so after his victory he used that as leverage.
3. Trinidad received 10 million for the fight and Oscar 20, Due to ego Tito wanted a swap in the rematch and Oscar's camp denied it, how you came up with 5 million is beyond me, and there is no evidence saying that Oscars camp ever offered anything close to a split.
4. Trinidad never wanted that fight to be on the Island, any fight in PR is a novelty fight, a fight put on for the local fans in appreciation for their support and its not about the revenue, if Tito wanted home turf advantage in a mega fight it would have been at MSG.
TITO PLAN CARRIES PLENTY OF WEIGHT - NY Daily News
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Originally Posted by Violent DemiseI only deal in factsQuote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
VD is no longer in his prime.
1. Yes I agree 100 percent they should have fought three times, which is why I made this thread.
2. Trinidad was one of the many boxers who believed that Oscar did not deserve his popularity, there were other great boxers at the time that werent getting a quarter of what he was getting, he got into an ego battle with Oscar, in their first fight he didn't have enough leverage to demand a 50-50 split despite being the champ for 6 years, so after his victory he used that as leverage.
3. Trinidad received 10 million for the fight and Oscar 20, Due to ego Tito wanted a swap in the rematch and Oscar's camp denied it, how you came up with 5 million is beyond me, and there is no evidence saying that Oscars camp ever offered anything close to a split.
4. Trinidad never wanted that fight to be on the Island, any fight in PR is a novelty fight, a fight put on for the local fans in appreciation for their support and its not about the revenue, if Tito wanted home turf advantage in a mega fight it would have been at MSG.
TITO PLAN CARRIES PLENTY OF WEIGHT - NY Daily News
Lmfao, what's going on with you man, out of respect no comment.
i'm sure his handwraps were back to normal(loaded) when he fought mayorga.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceQuote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccohis power didn't hold against hopkins cause his hands weren't wrapped in the special way his father always wrapped them.Quote:
Originally Posted by VendettosHe went to light middle first.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceQuote:
Originally Posted by VendettosTo be fair, he was knocking people out all over the place at MW before the Hopkins fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Tito fought one time at MW prior to Hopkins and that was to Joppy.
Not a huge difference, if your power holds at LMW then not too far fetched hat you can hold it at MW.
watch the fight tito. lands a few punches early and quickly realizes that he has no power. hopkins quickly realizes that tito has no plan b. easy fight for b-hop.
Yea tell Mayorga that.
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Originally Posted by ruthless roccoi'm sure his handwraps were back to normal(loaded) when he fought mayorga.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceQuote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccohis power didn't hold against hopkins cause his hands weren't wrapped in the special way his father always wrapped them.Quote:
Originally Posted by VendettosHe went to light middle first.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceQuote:
Originally Posted by VendettosTo be fair, he was knocking people out all over the place at MW before the Hopkins fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Tito fought one time at MW prior to Hopkins and that was to Joppy.
Not a huge difference, if your power holds at LMW then not too far fetched hat you can hold it at MW.
watch the fight tito. lands a few punches early and quickly realizes that he has no power. hopkins quickly realizes that tito has no plan b. easy fight for b-hop.
Yea tell Mayorga that.
Lmfao, what gotten into you guys today, you're in rare form.
Smart choice. Can't counter facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseI only deal in factsQuote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
VD is no longer in his prime.
1. Yes I agree 100 percent they should have fought three times, which is why I made this thread.
2. Trinidad was one of the many boxers who believed that Oscar did not deserve his popularity, there were other great boxers at the time that werent getting a quarter of what he was getting, he got into an ego battle with Oscar, in their first fight he didn't have enough leverage to demand a 50-50 split despite being the champ for 6 years, so after his victory he used that as leverage.
3. Trinidad received 10 million for the fight and Oscar 20, Due to ego Tito wanted a swap in the rematch and Oscar's camp denied it, how you came up with 5 million is beyond me, and there is no evidence saying that Oscars camp ever offered anything close to a split.
4. Trinidad never wanted that fight to be on the Island, any fight in PR is a novelty fight, a fight put on for the local fans in appreciation for their support and its not about the revenue, if Tito wanted home turf advantage in a mega fight it would have been at MSG.
TITO PLAN CARRIES PLENTY OF WEIGHT - NY Daily News
Lmfao, what's going on with you man, out of respect no comment.
he never used LOADED wraps, even Nazeem Richardson went into detail explaining the big differences between what happened in Hopkins/Trinidad pre fight and Margarito/Mosley (minimum) pre fight, Trinidad's hands had more of the gauze wrapped further down the hand so that it was tighter nothing loaded like Margarito who had plaster coated wraps, apples and oranges, the only issue was that Trinidad's style of wraps weren't permitted in NY which is where the fight was but they were fully legal and permitted in Vegas where most of his fights took placeQuote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoi'm sure his handwraps were back to normal(loaded) when he fought mayorga.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceQuote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccohis power didn't hold against hopkins cause his hands weren't wrapped in the special way his father always wrapped them.Quote:
Originally Posted by VendettosHe went to light middle first.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceQuote:
Originally Posted by VendettosTo be fair, he was knocking people out all over the place at MW before the Hopkins fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Tito fought one time at MW prior to Hopkins and that was to Joppy.
Not a huge difference, if your power holds at LMW then not too far fetched hat you can hold it at MW.
watch the fight tito. lands a few punches early and quickly realizes that he has no power. hopkins quickly realizes that tito has no plan b. easy fight for b-hop.
Yea tell Mayorga that.
I think Trinidad just wanted to fight the guy who was seen for years as the best pound-for-pound fighter in boxing.
They used to have Roy Jones and De La Hoya constantly switching places between p4p#1 and p4p#2.
I didn't understand the debate at all, clearly Roy Jones was a far more talented superior fighter.
De La Hoya was damn good of course and a multiple Chap across many weight classes, but a prime Roy Jones was simply phenomenal.
That rematch with Montell Griffin showcased Roy at his best.
I think Trinidad wanted to get in the ring with him...
The one fight where Tito wasn't allowed to have his father wrap his hands the way he always did, Tito suddenly had no KO power.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleshe never used LOADED wraps, even Nazeem Richardson went into detail explaining the big differences between what happened in Hopkins/Trinidad pre fight and Margarito/Mosley (minimum) pre fight, Trinidad's hands had more of the gauze wrapped further down the hand so that it was tighter nothing loaded like Margarito who had plaster coated wraps, apples and oranges, the only issue was that Trinidad's style of wraps weren't permitted in NY which is where the fight was but they were fully legal and permitted in Vegas where most of his fights took placeQuote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoi'm sure his handwraps were back to normal(loaded) when he fought mayorga.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceQuote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccohis power didn't hold against hopkins cause his hands weren't wrapped in the special way his father always wrapped them.Quote:
Originally Posted by VendettosHe went to light middle first.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceQuote:
Originally Posted by VendettosTo be fair, he was knocking people out all over the place at MW before the Hopkins fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Tito fought one time at MW prior to Hopkins and that was to Joppy.
Not a huge difference, if your power holds at LMW then not too far fetched hat you can hold it at MW.
watch the fight tito. lands a few punches early and quickly realizes that he has no power. hopkins quickly realizes that tito has no plan b. easy fight for b-hop.
Yea tell Mayorga that.
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Originally Posted by Violent DemiseSmart choice. Can't counter facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseI only deal in factsQuote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
VD is no longer in his prime.
1. Yes I agree 100 percent they should have fought three times, which is why I made this thread.
2. Trinidad was one of the many boxers who believed that Oscar did not deserve his popularity, there were other great boxers at the time that werent getting a quarter of what he was getting, he got into an ego battle with Oscar, in their first fight he didn't have enough leverage to demand a 50-50 split despite being the champ for 6 years, so after his victory he used that as leverage.
3. Trinidad received 10 million for the fight and Oscar 20, Due to ego Tito wanted a swap in the rematch and Oscar's camp denied it, how you came up with 5 million is beyond me, and there is no evidence saying that Oscars camp ever offered anything close to a split.
4. Trinidad never wanted that fight to be on the Island, any fight in PR is a novelty fight, a fight put on for the local fans in appreciation for their support and its not about the revenue, if Tito wanted home turf advantage in a mega fight it would have been at MSG.
TITO PLAN CARRIES PLENTY OF WEIGHT - NY Daily News
Lmfao, what's going on with you man, out of respect no comment.
OK VD, you asked for it
1. It never stated that Trinidad offered Oscar 5 million for a rematch, it said that in the fight Oscar received 21 million and Tito received 8.5, Tito wanted the purses to swap for a rematch, this is exactly what I said in my opening post of the thread because I rememer Tito and Oscar meeting in the ring during the Larry Merchant interview and Tito saying it.
2. This columnist stating what the purse was between the two is unofficial, over the years I have seen different ranges of what the two were paid, the most common is 20/10 but only the two camps know the real answer.
3. This column was so low budget it even threw you off, he never offered 5, he was swapping the 8.5 from the original fight, the article was so low budget that it cut the 8. from the 5 and you were confused.
4. I like the way he said Papa Trinidad did not have a one fight plan but he had a five fight plan ( oh yeah it would have been 6 ), who says that nonsense.
5. This guy also says that fighting Reid made no sense, no sense to who ????? The rematch with Oscar fell through so who the hell was he suppose to fight.
6. But the best part of this horrible article was when the columnist quoted Papa Trinidad with " Trinidad can fight all the way up to 200 pounds ", lmfao, is 200 pounds a weight class ???? Horrible link.
Ya know, I'll change my tune on that. I didn't know he got fucked purse-wise by DLH the first time around. I actually can't blame him for trying to the big end of the stick that time around.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Well, Trinidad vs De La Hoya.
De La Hoya really won the battle, but lost the war.
Trinidad had De La Hoya right where he wanted him and ran out of time to finish him off, De La Hoya was done, he couldn't go any further.
On points, De La Hoya should've been awarded the decision anyway.
De Le Hoya would never have lasted in the days of 15 rounders, dude trained hard, but always gassed out by rd 10. Some guys just don't have stamina no matter how they train.
what good is power when you can't land a clean blow on your opponent? so how the hell do you deduce that he had no power? and he still stunned B-Hop though not seriously in the 6th I believe when the ref decides to step in and fix his cup, Trinidad's "lack of power" in that fight if credited to Hopkins outboxing him and using he superb defense nothing else, get your facts straight buddy :-XQuote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoThe one fight where Tito wasn't allowed to have his father wrap his hands the way he always did, Tito suddenly had no KO power.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleshe never used LOADED wraps, even Nazeem Richardson went into detail explaining the big differences between what happened in Hopkins/Trinidad pre fight and Margarito/Mosley (minimum) pre fight, Trinidad's hands had more of the gauze wrapped further down the hand so that it was tighter nothing loaded like Margarito who had plaster coated wraps, apples and oranges, the only issue was that Trinidad's style of wraps weren't permitted in NY which is where the fight was but they were fully legal and permitted in Vegas where most of his fights took placeQuote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoi'm sure his handwraps were back to normal(loaded) when he fought mayorga.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceQuote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccohis power didn't hold against hopkins cause his hands weren't wrapped in the special way his father always wrapped them.Quote:
Originally Posted by VendettosHe went to light middle first.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceQuote:
Originally Posted by VendettosTo be fair, he was knocking people out all over the place at MW before the Hopkins fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Tito fought one time at MW prior to Hopkins and that was to Joppy.
Not a huge difference, if your power holds at LMW then not too far fetched hat you can hold it at MW.
watch the fight tito. lands a few punches early and quickly realizes that he has no power. hopkins quickly realizes that tito has no plan b. easy fight for b-hop.
Yea tell Mayorga that.
yeah hopkins is amazing and tito sucked. fact!Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleswhat good is power when you can't land a clean blow on your opponent? so how the hell do you deduce that he had no power? and he still stunned B-Hop though not seriously in the 6th I believe when the ref decides to step in and fix his cup, Trinidad's "lack of power" in that fight if credited to Hopkins outboxing him and using he superb defense nothing else, get your facts straight buddy :-XQuote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoThe one fight where Tito wasn't allowed to have his father wrap his hands the way he always did, Tito suddenly had no KO power.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleshe never used LOADED wraps, even Nazeem Richardson went into detail explaining the big differences between what happened in Hopkins/Trinidad pre fight and Margarito/Mosley (minimum) pre fight, Trinidad's hands had more of the gauze wrapped further down the hand so that it was tighter nothing loaded like Margarito who had plaster coated wraps, apples and oranges, the only issue was that Trinidad's style of wraps weren't permitted in NY which is where the fight was but they were fully legal and permitted in Vegas where most of his fights took placeQuote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoi'm sure his handwraps were back to normal(loaded) when he fought mayorga.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceQuote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccohis power didn't hold against hopkins cause his hands weren't wrapped in the special way his father always wrapped them.Quote:
Originally Posted by VendettosHe went to light middle first.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceQuote:
Originally Posted by VendettosTo be fair, he was knocking people out all over the place at MW before the Hopkins fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Tito fought one time at MW prior to Hopkins and that was to Joppy.
Not a huge difference, if your power holds at LMW then not too far fetched hat you can hold it at MW.
watch the fight tito. lands a few punches early and quickly realizes that he has no power. hopkins quickly realizes that tito has no plan b. easy fight for b-hop.
Yea tell Mayorga that.