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12-29-2013, 07:30 PM
ross

Re: Thompson wants to fight Fury

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Fury isnt a big puncher at heavy, at any level. Rarely has he one punched KOd anyone, even at the lower levels. Obviously given his size he has enough power to earn fighters respect but his KOs generally come from landing a lot of shots rather then one big one. Cunninghams KO seemed to come from sheer exhaustion of having a 7 foot monster lean on him for several rounds.

To talk of Fury as world class or a world beater at the moment is silly. He is a prospect. I doubt he will be that good and feel he will lose to the first genuine class heavyweight he fights. Ross disagrees and thinks he will be champ. Ross will also argue that Johnson and Cunningham are genuine class heavyweights where I will argue Johnson is shit and Cunningham is not going to beat a genusine heavyweight (again Adamek is not a genuine heavyweight).

Time will tell who is right and who is wrong but I dont think Fury will be fighting a genuine threat for a few years still. Id like to see him fight Chisora again and David Price but unlikely to happen. Also with all the shite he talks Id like to see him fight Wlad but I know he wont get in a ring with him.

But yet he can batter the fighter who will be contesting Vitalis title:vd:

He also finished Travis Walker quicker than Lucas Browne and Mike Perez and Pulev could only manage a points win;D

Deffinitly not a heavyweight;D:scratchchin:

Again it shows you know so little about boxing. Just because one fighter finished a fighter quicker then another that doesnt mean he is a bigger puncher. Fury went the distance with McDermot and then beat him in 9. He was beaten in 1 by Skelton. Aka Skelton is a monster puncher compared to Fury.

You said hes not a heavyweight?

If he can beat heavyweight fighters up better than other top heavyweights surely he must be a heavyweight? Or maybe the fighters he facing arent genuine heavies?

Maybe that fat blob Arreola should lose weight and be a cruiser. He doesnt look as muscled as Cunningham and Cunningham is ripped at 210lb. Arreola has no muscle on him. Same as Stiverne, just bloated.

These two contesting the WBC heavyweight title could well be the fattest title fight ever;D

No I said hes not a genuine heavyweight. He would still be a crusier if he could get decent paydays at that weight. Dont get me wrong he has been a good heavyweight fighter especially considering his size disadvantage. Hes washed up now anyway imo.

He was 217lb and solid when he beat Arreola. You do realise a heavyweight is any fighter over 200lb right? Its only recently been that way as well. Cruiser used to be 190lb just a few years ago.

The greatest heavyweight ever was lighter than 217lb in his pomp...

Is he not a genuine heavy?

Or are you just talking shit based on what some fighters now weigh?

Yes I am comparing him to modern day heavyweights, not past heavyweights who were much smaller. If you want to argue that go to the other threads on it.

So at what weight is the cut off for "genuine" heavyweights?
12-29-2013, 07:32 PM
Silkeyjoe

Re: Thompson wants to fight Fury

No weight. A genuine heavyweight is one whos fought there all his career or who moved up because he couldnt make the lower weight anymore. Would you call Mayweather a genuine MW just because he could make 160?

Genuine is probably the wrong word, natural HW.
12-29-2013, 07:42 PM
ross

Re: Thompson wants to fight Fury

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No weight. A genuine heavyweight is one whos fought there all his career or who moved up because he couldnt make the lower weight anymore. Would you call Mayweather a genuine MW just because he could make 160?

Genuine is probably the wrong word, natural HW.

Would you say Chris Arreola is a genuine 250lb fighter? What should so eones genuine weight be? What should there genuine body fat percentage be to get to their genuine weight?

I think you are getting confused. There are genuine heavyweights and then there are big heavyweights.

Heavyweight is the only weight division with no cap so you will get big fighters in that weight, whereas if Floyd did fight at middle, his opponent could only weigh up to 160lb.

If Adamek can fight, look in shape at 217lb, beat up, stop earlier etc genuine heavyweights then he is a fucking genuine heavyweight!

Muhammed ali was a genuine heavyweight. He would not compete at cruiser today but Adamek weighed more than he did and was in shape!

Arreola will soon be fighting for the WBC title against little fatty Stiverne. Adamek probably beats the both of them and hes not a genuine heavy!:rolleyes:
12-29-2013, 07:59 PM
Silkeyjoe

Re: Thompson wants to fight Fury

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No weight. A genuine heavyweight is one whos fought there all his career or who moved up because he couldnt make the lower weight anymore. Would you call Mayweather a genuine MW just because he could make 160?

Genuine is probably the wrong word, natural HW.

Would you say Chris Arreola is a genuine 250lb fighter? What should so eones genuine weight be? What should there genuine body fat percentage be to get to their genuine weight?

I think you are getting confused. There are genuine heavyweights and then there are big heavyweights.

Heavyweight is the only weight division with no cap so you will get big fighters in that weight, whereas if Floyd did fight at middle, his opponent could only weigh up to 160lb.

If Adamek can fight, look in shape at 217lb, beat up, stop earlier etc genuine heavyweights then he is a fucking genuine heavyweight!

Muhammed ali was a genuine heavyweight. He would not compete at cruiser today but Adamek weighed more than he did and was in shape!

Arreola will soon be fighting for the WBC title against little fatty Stiverne. Adamek probably beats the both of them and hes not a genuine heavy!:rolleyes:

I doubt very much Arreola beats either of them judging by his latest performances.

I would think Ali would fight at Cruiser for at least some of his career if he was around nowadays
12-29-2013, 08:47 PM
beenKOed

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Thompson is doing his best to keep the money rolling in and to be fair there arent many big name options for afury at the moment. He needs a fight very soon because of Haye pissing him around.

Wilder, Arreola and Stiverne are not real options. Wilders team wont risk him. Arreola and Stiveren are foghting each other. Pulev has a fight coming up.

Some on here dont like to admit it but Fury is somewhat avoided. He is so big and can fight that he is not someone that any fighter anywhere near a title shot will want to face.

Peter Fury has said he wants Tyson to have between 4 and 6 fights this year so that says that they realise if they wait to get a decent name it could be anther year of sitting round so anyone with a recognisable name that wants a fight will get one. They were looking at Fres Oquendo early last year and he has piped up so that is the kind of opponent im thinking they will have no choice but to go with. It would be unfair for a fighter who is still progressing like Tyson to not now be gifted some kind of warm up.

Everyone understands he's not as good as he will be, but he talks so much trash, all the time, that some of the--US fans--just want someone to shut his mouth.
I know the Haye episode has him frustrated, but he should let his team make some sure fire fights for him.
Truthfully I think Haye or Thompson are not his best choices now.

Hey, wait a minute. Why not Thompson? I mean, forget Haye. Haye's nothing but a blowhard, asking for title shots he doesn't deserve, and mysteriously dropping out of "Klitschko-less" fights.

But why not Thompson? I like Thompson for both Fury AND Wilder. C'mon! How much longer are we going to wait until we expect both these big bangers to "shit or get off the pot"? I agree that Fury and Wilder shouldn't face each other yet. Assuming they both continue to develop and get a few more W's under their belts, there's a potential big-money fight to be made, with lots of fan interest.

David Price tried Thompson twice, to his credit. Unfortunately, that didn't do much for Price's career. But that just says that Price would've gotten KO'ed down the line..... if not by Thompson then by somebody else.

Thompson wants Fury..... Fury's handlers want to keep him busy..... no one else is available right now.
So what's the holdup??

Have to admit I have no idea what the holdup is with Wilder.
The holdup with Fury is that his handlers don't believe everything Fury says. They don't believe Tyson is the greatest fighter ever or a man and warrior beyond compare. They think that a fight with Thompson might be too heavy a load.
12-29-2013, 10:07 PM
Master

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Fury will get his act together and get back on track 2014 and will easily beat Thompson.
12-29-2013, 10:40 PM
ross

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Fury will get his act together and get back on track 2014 and will easily beat Thompson.

Hes having a warm up in February. Who would that be?

Maybe Price;D
12-29-2013, 10:54 PM
nuggetdotcom

Re: Thompson wants to fight Fury

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Fury will get his act together and get back on track 2014 and will easily beat Thompson.

I'm not sure fat Mick will risk Thompson for what amounts to very little interest and money.

Tysons plan was to get the small end of a massive purse fighting Haye, then pick up one or two fights with Chis & co. domestically, then retire and make way for Hughie.

The only money plan Tyson has got now is to get Fat Mick to negotiate with Dodgy Frank and fight Chis, by no means a foregone conclusion. If he beats Chis again, all well and good, he can then make Klit overtures but fat Mick will definitely keep him away from Wilder, poor opponents or not.

Got to hand it to Thompson, he's damn near retired one of our best 'prospects' in David Price and has the man who hid from David Price running scared.
12-29-2013, 11:09 PM
ross

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Fury will get his act together and get back on track 2014 and will easily beat Thompson.

I'm not sure fat Mick will risk Thompson for what amounts to very little interest and money.

Tysons plan was to get the small end of a massive purse fighting Haye, then pick up one or two fights with Chis & co. domestically, then retire and make way for Hughie.

The only money plan Tyson has got now is to get Fat Mick to negotiate with Dodgy Frank and fight Chis, by no means a foregone conclusion. If he beats Chis again, all well and good, he can then make Klit overtures but fat Mick will definitely keep him away from Wilder, poor opponents or not.

Got to hand it to Thompson, he's damn near retired one of our best 'prospects' in David Price and has the man who hid from David Price running scared.

Fury wouldnt have had the trouble Chisora did with Chisoras last few opponents. Chisora has run his course progression wise.
12-29-2013, 11:47 PM
Beanz

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Fury will get his act together and get back on track 2014 and will easily beat Thompson.

I'm not sure fat Mick will risk Thompson for what amounts to very little interest and money.

Tysons plan was to get the small end of a massive purse fighting Haye, then pick up one or two fights with Chis & co. domestically, then retire and make way for Hughie.

The only money plan Tyson has got now is to get Fat Mick to negotiate with Dodgy Frank and fight Chis, by no means a foregone conclusion. If he beats Chis again, all well and good, he can then make Klit overtures but fat Mick will definitely keep him away from Wilder, poor opponents or not.

Got to hand it to Thompson, he's damn near retired one of our best 'prospects' in David Price and has the man who hid from David Price running scared.

Fury wouldnt have had the trouble Chisora did with Chisoras last few opponents. Chisora has run his course progression wise.

Chisora unlike Fury really has "no fear", can you imagine Tyson Fury lasting 12 rounds with Vitali? Del boy would fight Wilder tommorow, Fury wouldn't. Fury won't fight Thompson because he is too dangerous. After the likes of Haye, Scott and Vitali Chisora would have no such second thoughts and would actually be taking a step back to fight Fury.
12-29-2013, 11:57 PM
ross

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Fury will get his act together and get back on track 2014 and will easily beat Thompson.

I'm not sure fat Mick will risk Thompson for what amounts to very little interest and money.

Tysons plan was to get the small end of a massive purse fighting Haye, then pick up one or two fights with Chis & co. domestically, then retire and make way for Hughie.

The only money plan Tyson has got now is to get Fat Mick to negotiate with Dodgy Frank and fight Chis, by no means a foregone conclusion. If he beats Chis again, all well and good, he can then make Klit overtures but fat Mick will definitely keep him away from Wilder, poor opponents or not.

Got to hand it to Thompson, he's damn near retired one of our best 'prospects' in David Price and has the man who hid from David Price running scared.

Fury wouldnt have had the trouble Chisora did with Chisoras last few opponents. Chisora has run his course progression wise.

Chisora unlike Fury really has "no fear", can you imagine Tyson Fury lasting 12 rounds with Vitali? Del boy would fight Wilder tommorow, Fury wouldn't. Fury won't fight Thompson because he is too dangerous. After the likes of Haye, Scott and Vitali Chisora would have no such second thoughts and would actually be taking a step back to fight Fury.

A step back?

Fury beat the undefeated Chisora. He gave Chisora his first loss and this was when afury was himself out of shape compared to now and also after only 14 fights not nearly 30 like Haye.

It would be a step back for afury to go over old ground and would prove absolutely nothing. Chisora is getting hurt in every fight now and wont last long.

Why did Klitschko iffer the fight to Chisora rather than the man who beat him?;)
12-30-2013, 12:43 AM
Silkeyjoe

Ross you are delusional. A fit Chisora would be Furys toughest test. It would be a near 50:50 fight in my opinion and if I could get 7/4 ish I'd back him. Furys progression hasn't been as good as you think. He looked poor against Cunningham so all your judgement is from one fight against Johnson who judgin from his performance before and after the fight is not anything close to a top fighter.
12-30-2013, 01:27 AM
FinitoElDinamita

Re: Thompson wants to fight Fury

Some of u dudes are funny.. those of u who are picking a "fit" chisora over fury are the sames ones who picked an unfit chisora over fury few years back on the saddo league... how u gonna explain that?

Im one of the very few players who picked Fury to beat chisora on the saddoleague.. :cool:

Fury needs a real fight..
12-30-2013, 01:36 AM
ross

Re: Thompson wants to fight Fury

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Some of u dudes are funny.. those of u who are picking a "fit" chisora over fury are the sames ones who picked an unfit chisora over fury few years back on the saddo league... how u gonna explain that?

Im one of the very few players who picked Fury to beat chisora on the saddoleague.. :cool:

Fury needs a real fight..

I agree but I wont begrudge him a warm up to get back in the groove. He was getting some good momentum going until Haye butted in.
12-30-2013, 02:16 AM
Silkeyjoe

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Some of u dudes are funny.. those of u who are picking a "fit" chisora over fury are the sames ones who picked an unfit chisora over fury few years back on the saddo league... how u gonna explain that?

Im one of the very few players who picked Fury to beat chisora on the saddoleague.. :cool:

Fury needs a real fight..

I agree but I wont begrudge him a warm up to get back in the groove. He was getting some good momentum going until Haye butted in.

U are right he needs a tune up fight. But only if he will be active. No point of him having 2 or 3 fights against bums. I'd like an easy fight February. Chisora in April or May and given a victory there then either a title shot or a title eliminator. I picked Chisora to win in the first fight before the weigh in. Then I changed my mind. I don't see how thinking a fit Chisora will cause Fury trouble is silly the level of Furys competition has been low and he hasn't been impressive. Just because someone's fights are entertaining doesn't make him a top fighter. To be fair a fit Fury against a fit Chisora could be a cracking fight.

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