Re: Is it fair to say today's HW champions are more chinny?
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The reason for my OP question is that it seems today... one punch and it's over. Fighters fight like it, too. They seem too aware that one good punch could end it. Maybe it's the bigger size nowadays.... maybe there's something else, too. I just remember the war between Mike Tyson and Douglas.... the wars between Tyson and Holyfield.... the ones between Holyfield and Bowe.... Lennox and Vitali. Those were some powerful heavyweights, capable of ending fights with one punch. Yet they went toe-to-toe in some exciting, breathtaking exchanges. You see none of that nowadays. Since the Wlad reign began, we've seen absolutely NONE of that.
Indeed....it's all Wlad's fault.
Typical response from Lyle. Evade evade evade
Yeah...you evade, you don't get hit, you last longer, you stay more fresh, and you don't develop brain d-d-d-d-d-damage ---> Brockton.
Perhaps YOU should have been bobbing and weaving more
Oh I bob, Lyle, I weave too: then the cops pull me over and I get another DUI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcYppAs6ZdI
Re: Is it fair to say today's HW champions are more chinny?
I think HWs have gotten even bigger since Lewis.
Joseph Parker weighed 235.4 lbs against Meehan, and Anthony Joshua weighed 249 lbs against Cornish.
Re: Is it fair to say today's HW champions are more chinny?
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I think HWs have gotten even bigger since Lewis.
Joseph Parker weighed 235.4 lbs against Meehan, and Anthony Joshua weighed 249 lbs against Cornish.
I do not think they are chinny. Power does not come from the weight.
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I think HWs have gotten even bigger since Lewis.
Joseph Parker weighed 235.4 lbs against Meehan, and Anthony Joshua weighed 249 lbs against Cornish.
I do not think they are chinny. Power does not come from the weight.
I'm not saying whether or not they're chinny. I'm saying that I think they're bigger.
Re: Is it fair to say today's HW champions are more chinny?
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I think HWs have gotten even bigger since Lewis.
Joseph Parker weighed 235.4 lbs against Meehan, and Anthony Joshua weighed 249 lbs against Cornish.
I do not think they are chinny. Power does not come from the weight.
Weight is a factor master, of course it is.
If a 250lb boxer no matter what skill level or amount of Ko's on their record caught you flush hes more than likely going to level you!
Now moan about me bringing up actual experience of boxing but I can tell you first hand there are big differences between small weight disparrities. Thats why some fighters are excellent at cutting weight to stay in a lower weight than naturally their body should be fighting at.
Re: Is it fair to say today's HW champions are more chinny?
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I think HWs have gotten even bigger since Lewis.
Joseph Parker weighed 235.4 lbs against Meehan, and Anthony Joshua weighed 249 lbs against Cornish.
I do not think they are chinny. Power does not come from the weight.
Weight is a factor master, of course it is.
If a 250lb boxer no matter what skill level or amount of Ko's on their record caught you flush hes more than likely going to level you!
Now moan about me bringing up actual experience of boxing but I can tell you first hand there are big differences between small weight disparrities. Thats why some fighters are excellent at cutting wright to stay in a lower weight than naturally their body should be fighting at.
Chemists have found ways of making our bodies stronger and bigger but they will never find a way of better cushioning the brain from that extra force and weight.
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I think HWs have gotten even bigger since Lewis.
Joseph Parker weighed 235.4 lbs against Meehan, and Anthony Joshua weighed 249 lbs against Cornish.
I do not think they are chinny.
Power does not come from the weight.
Exactly! And because power does not come from weight, we can't automatically assume today's behemoths (Wlad, Fury) punch harder than the Lennoxes and the Mike Tysons just because they're bigger. And yet my point remains, which is that we used to see more meaningful exchanges between the heavyweights of that era (Lewis, Tyson, Vitali, etc) than we do now..... at least where Wladimir and maybe now Fury are concerned.
It's like now they're more conscious of their size and power... and more afraid of taking a decent shot on the chin. This all started with Wlad, of course, who was the King of fighting like a scared deer protecting that fragile chin of his.
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I think HWs have gotten even bigger since Lewis.
Joseph Parker weighed 235.4 lbs against Meehan, and Anthony Joshua weighed 249 lbs against Cornish.
I do not think they are chinny.
Power does not come from the weight.
Exactly! And
because power does not come from weight, we can't automatically assume today's behemoths (Wlad, Fury) punch harder than the Lennoxes and the Mike Tysons just because they're bigger. And yet my point remains, which is that we used to see more meaningful exchanges between the heavyweights of that era (Lewis, Tyson, Vitali, etc) than we do now..... at least where Wladimir and maybe now Fury are concerned.
It's like now they're more conscious of their size and power... and more afraid of taking a decent shot on the chin. This all started with Wlad, of course, who was the King of fighting like a scared deer protecting that fragile chin of his.
I just dont agree and cant.
Lennox was a big heavy man himself!!
Mike Tyson is a good example. Although not a small heavyweight in the sense of weight, compared to the 70's fighters he is small compared to the big fighters today but renowned for power. Freddie Roach has taken both Mike Tyson and Wladimir Klitschko on the pads and he is quoted as saying although Mikes punches were more explosive Wlad landed with more weight.
Obviously if you have that kind of weight landing its going to move you and move you more than someone 30 or 40lb lighter.
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I think HWs have gotten even bigger since Lewis.
Joseph Parker weighed 235.4 lbs against Meehan, and Anthony Joshua weighed 249 lbs against Cornish.
I do not think they are chinny.
Power does not come from the weight.
Exactly! And
because power does not come from weight, we can't automatically assume today's behemoths (Wlad, Fury) punch harder than the Lennoxes and the Mike Tysons just because they're bigger. And yet my point remains, which is that we used to see more meaningful exchanges between the heavyweights of that era (Lewis, Tyson, Vitali, etc) than we do now..... at least where Wladimir and maybe now Fury are concerned.
It's like now they're more conscious of their size and power... and more afraid of taking a decent shot on the chin. This all started with Wlad, of course, who was the King of fighting like a scared deer protecting that fragile chin of his.
I just dont agree and cant.
Lennox was a big heavy man himself!!
Mike Tyson is a good example. Although not a small heavyweight in the sense of weight, compared to the 70's fighters he is small compared to the big fighters today but renowned for power. Freddie Roach has taken both Mike Tyson and Wladimir Klitschko on the pads and he is quoted as saying although Mikes punches were more explosive Wlad landed with more weight.
Obviously if you have that kind of weight landing its going to move you and move you more than someone 30 or 40lb lighter.
OK I should have written knockout do not come from power alone the biggest factors are surprise of not expecting it, speed and technique.
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Master
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I think HWs have gotten even bigger since Lewis.
Joseph Parker weighed 235.4 lbs against Meehan, and Anthony Joshua weighed 249 lbs against Cornish.
I do not think they are chinny.
Power does not come from the weight.
Exactly! And
because power does not come from weight, we can't automatically assume today's behemoths (Wlad, Fury) punch harder than the Lennoxes and the Mike Tysons just because they're bigger. And yet my point remains, which is that we used to see more meaningful exchanges between the heavyweights of that era (Lewis, Tyson, Vitali, etc) than we do now..... at least where Wladimir and maybe now Fury are concerned.
It's like now they're more conscious of their size and power... and more afraid of taking a decent shot on the chin. This all started with Wlad, of course, who was the King of fighting like a scared deer protecting that fragile chin of his.
I just dont agree and cant.
Lennox was a big heavy man himself!!
Mike Tyson is a good example. Although not a small heavyweight in the sense of weight, compared to the 70's fighters he is small compared to the big fighters today but renowned for power. Freddie Roach has taken both Mike Tyson and Wladimir Klitschko on the pads and he is quoted as saying although Mikes punches were more explosive Wlad landed with more weight.
Obviously if you have that kind of weight landing its going to move you and move you more than someone 30 or 40lb lighter.
OK I should have written knockout do not come from power alone the biggest factors are surprise of not expecting it, speed and technique.
Yes thats correct but men arent that much less skilled these days. So the shots that are landing are landing with more weight and until a fighters ability to take a punch is improved like the ability to increase strength then fighters will get stopped more frequently.
Basically if Ali was fighting today hed be probably 10 to 20lb heavier muscled.
Re: Is it fair to say today's HW champions are more chinny?
I think the top heavyweights are less skilled than they were in the 1990's and 1970's heavyweights
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I think the top heavyweights are less skilled than they were in the 1990's and 1970's heavyweights
all old men always reminisce about "the better days gone by" or "the good ol' days"
Re: Is it fair to say today's HW champions are more chinny?
I just don't see Wlad or Fury (or Wilder, for that matter) having more KO power than a Lennox, a Mike Tyson, or a Vitali. To me the dividing line was between the Ali's, the Fraziers, versus today's HW's.
Remember the toe-to-toe between Mike Tyson and Buster Douglas? Those guys went all out on offense, trying to knock out the other guy. Same can be said for Vitali-Lennox, Tyson-Holyfied, and numerous others.
Compare those with any of Wlad's fights, including this latest one versus Fury...... and you can see a humongous difference. Before, HW's fought to knock the other guy out. Nowadays, they fight to survive and not get knocked out. Big difference.
