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On that basis money and popularity would justify Justin Bieber too and that is a step too far. I don't hate Justin Bieber either, but do think his followers are deluded and that his music is mediocre. Maybe he can hold a note, but that doesn't justify the material or how silly the fans are. Kind of similar with Floyd. I respect his skills, but I don't enjoy seeing him fight and prefer to watch other fighters.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
Disagree with this. It's all been hashed out in numerous other threads before so I don't really want to get into it again but here's my outline. I would have like to have seen him face Casamayor or Frietas before leaving 130 but he stepped up against the best guy at lightweight and gave him an immediate rematch after the closeness of the 1st bout so he got huge props for that. He would have been favored over Spadafore & Dorin but those 2 would have done more his legacy than Sosa & Ndou. The only guy he should have been looking at at 140 was Tszyu. A Wright fight was all but done but fell through for him to end up fighting Mitchell. I can understand the Baldomir fight because of the lineage but the Judah & De La Hoya fights were just money grabs. Did Hatton ever 'win' a fight at 147? Collazo would argue that. He took on one of the best in Marquez in his comeback but blew the weight against a lightweight. I give him credit for the Mosley win because Sugar Shane took out Margarito. The thing is he left the game (retired) leaving Cotto & Margarito to fight each other. He looked fantastic against young lion Alvarez, but didn't take the opportunity to face Martinez (the middleweight champ) who had previously offered to make 150. The Pac fight was 5 years too late. GGG offered to drop to 154. Ward said he'd come down to 160. It's not all Mayweathers fault that these fights didn't happen, just a list of other potential opponents.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
You are weird.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
Exactly Brock, nearly 3 billion people have watched that and it is completely shit. That song is a perfect metaphor for the Connor/Mayweather fight. Justin Bieber will probably sing it walking Mayweather to the ring. ALmost got there in the past. :-\
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yO397JnT-YE
The main thing I meant was avoided not that there weren't fights he potentially could have made. I've heard both sides of the argument many times and I just don't think that Floyd really avoided most fights. I'm not saying he didn't avoid any but not many IMO. Many fights that should have been made, as you said, weren't his fault.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaDisagree with this. It's all been hashed out in numerous other threads before so I don't really want to get into it again but here's my outline. I would have like to have seen him face Casamayor or Frietas before leaving 130 but he stepped up against the best guy at lightweight and gave him an immediate rematch after the closeness of the 1st bout so he got huge props for that. He would have been favored over Spadafore & Dorin but those 2 would have done more his legacy than Sosa & Ndou. The only guy he should have been looking at at 140 was Tszyu. A Wright fight was all but done but fell through for him to end up fighting Mitchell. I can understand the Baldomir fight because of the lineage but the Judah & De La Hoya fights were just money grabs. Did Hatton ever 'win' a fight at 147? Collazo would argue that. He took on one of the best in Marquez in his comeback but blew the weight against a lightweight. I give him credit for the Mosley win because Sugar Shane took out Margarito. The thing is he left the game (retired) leaving Cotto & Margarito to fight each other. He looked fantastic against young lion Alvarez, but didn't take the opportunity to face Martinez (the middleweight champ) who had previously offered to make 150. The Pac fight was 5 years too late. GGG offered to drop to 154. Ward said he'd come down to 160. It's not all Mayweathers fault that these fights didn't happen, just a list of other potential opponents.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
I'm still not sure why people hate on the de la Hoya fight. I thought that de la Hoya would win. He was bigger and a really good fighter. It was definitely a tough fight. It wasn't at all a gimme.
And 99% of the media all around the world. Even loads and loads of boxing pundits/ex-boxers constantly peddle it out. Very jarring.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Only Ruthless has fallen for that crap. ;)
Master is so anti-Sky/Hearn/Floyd that his tiny little brain turned them into a conglomerate.Quote:
Originally Posted by BatmanNah I'm 99% certain it was Boxnation, I think that was before Matchroom had stole the monopoly.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI am sure Saul Alvarez was on sky.Quote:
Originally Posted by BatmanI believe that was PPV, so that means 2 PPV fights in the UK in 10 years and 9 that have not been PPVQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterWhat about the Hatton fight?Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterFloyd has been on Sky twice in 10 years - Mosley ("free") and Pac (PPV).Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterMost of Floyd's recent fights have been on sky and box office platform not box nation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Batman
When you consider that Hatton was the biggest star in the UK at the time and Mayweather v Pacman was the biggest fight in recent years its Not too bad if you ask me @Master
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Just checked and it was Boxnation
Floyd was hardly ever shown pre-Oscar. The only time he got on Sky before that was Oscar undercards (Sky were the only place showing international fights back then). Corrales and Gatti were live. That's about it until maybe Baldomir/Oscar.
Floyd's never been on UK terrestrial TV once in his entire career. Thank fuck for the internet/BoxNation/Sky, it is fantastic these days compared to the dark old days that twerps like Master (and loads of other folk his/my age) pine for.
whole heartedly agree, whilst the amount of PPV's gets too much £12 will see you get Cotto v Kamegai, BJS v Monroe Jr and GGG v AlvarezQuote:
Originally Posted by FensterMaster is so anti-Sky/Hearn/Floyd that his tiny little brain turned them into a conglomerate.Quote:
Originally Posted by BatmanNah I'm 99% certain it was Boxnation, I think that was before Matchroom had stole the monopoly.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI am sure Saul Alvarez was on sky.Quote:
Originally Posted by BatmanI believe that was PPV, so that means 2 PPV fights in the UK in 10 years and 9 that have not been PPVQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterWhat about the Hatton fight?Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterFloyd has been on Sky twice in 10 years - Mosley ("free") and Pac (PPV).Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterMost of Floyd's recent fights have been on sky and box office platform not box nation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Batman
When you consider that Hatton was the biggest star in the UK at the time and Mayweather v Pacman was the biggest fight in recent years its Not too bad if you ask me @Master
*edit*
Just checked and it was Boxnation
Floyd was hardly ever shown pre-Oscar. The only time he got on Sky before that was Oscar undercards (Sky were the only place showing international fights back then). Corrales and Gatti were live. That's about it until maybe Baldomir/Oscar.
Floyd's never been on UK terrestrial TV once in his entire career. Thank fuck for the internet/BoxNation/Sky, it is fantastic these days compared to the dark old days that twerps like Master (and loads of other folk his/my age) pine for.
I'd much rather that than wait for Channel 5 to sneak a fight on every couple of months
I personally didn't think Oscar had much left after the Hopkins fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherThe main thing I meant was avoided not that there weren't fights he potentially could have made. I've heard both sides of the argument many times and I just don't think that Floyd really avoided most fights. I'm not saying he didn't avoid any but not many IMO. Many fights that should have been made, as you said, weren't his fault.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaDisagree with this. It's all been hashed out in numerous other threads before so I don't really want to get into it again but here's my outline. I would have like to have seen him face Casamayor or Frietas before leaving 130 but he stepped up against the best guy at lightweight and gave him an immediate rematch after the closeness of the 1st bout so he got huge props for that. He would have been favored over Spadafore & Dorin but those 2 would have done more his legacy than Sosa & Ndou. The only guy he should have been looking at at 140 was Tszyu. A Wright fight was all but done but fell through for him to end up fighting Mitchell. I can understand the Baldomir fight because of the lineage but the Judah & De La Hoya fights were just money grabs. Did Hatton ever 'win' a fight at 147? Collazo would argue that. He took on one of the best in Marquez in his comeback but blew the weight against a lightweight. I give him credit for the Mosley win because Sugar Shane took out Margarito. The thing is he left the game (retired) leaving Cotto & Margarito to fight each other. He looked fantastic against young lion Alvarez, but didn't take the opportunity to face Martinez (the middleweight champ) who had previously offered to make 150. The Pac fight was 5 years too late. GGG offered to drop to 154. Ward said he'd come down to 160. It's not all Mayweathers fault that these fights didn't happen, just a list of other potential opponents.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
I'm still not sure why people hate on the de la Hoya fight. I thought that de la Hoya would win. He was bigger and a really good fighter. It was definitely a tough fight. It wasn't at all a gimme.
ITV and BBC showed boxing and some of it live and in colour.Quote:
Originally Posted by Batmanwhole heartedly agree, whilst the amount of PPV's gets too much £12 will see you get Cotto v Kamegai, BJS v Monroe Jr and GGG v AlvarezQuote:
Originally Posted by FensterMaster is so anti-Sky/Hearn/Floyd that his tiny little brain turned them into a conglomerate.Quote:
Originally Posted by BatmanNah I'm 99% certain it was Boxnation, I think that was before Matchroom had stole the monopoly.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI am sure Saul Alvarez was on sky.Quote:
Originally Posted by BatmanI believe that was PPV, so that means 2 PPV fights in the UK in 10 years and 9 that have not been PPVQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterWhat about the Hatton fight?Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterFloyd has been on Sky twice in 10 years - Mosley ("free") and Pac (PPV).Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterMost of Floyd's recent fights have been on sky and box office platform not box nation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Batman
When you consider that Hatton was the biggest star in the UK at the time and Mayweather v Pacman was the biggest fight in recent years its Not too bad if you ask me @Master
*edit*
Just checked and it was Boxnation
Floyd was hardly ever shown pre-Oscar. The only time he got on Sky before that was Oscar undercards (Sky were the only place showing international fights back then). Corrales and Gatti were live. That's about it until maybe Baldomir/Oscar.
Floyd's never been on UK terrestrial TV once in his entire career. Thank fuck for the internet/BoxNation/Sky, it is fantastic these days compared to the dark old days that twerps like Master (and loads of other folk his/my age) pine for.
I'd much rather that than wait for Channel 5 to sneak a fight on every couple of months
Floyd fight is £19.95.
the PPV will probly sell in England / Britain because of the Irish? least that must be mainly who it is aimed at
and you could argue that this is the casual irish fan that would buy it?
if some English nutcase was in Connors shoes would the English on here pay? what if he was from your home town?
Another Floyd hater started a thread because he loses sleep over Floyd. Another win for Floyd. Give it a rest 😂 The question you asked as your thread topic you answered yourself. All you do is speak of Floyd, even in posts that aren't about him you have something negative to bring in. Floyd must have snatched your soul, damn you're obsessed. What was the question again? Maybe it should have been "Will I ever stop obsessing over Floyd?" You're a 🤡
I am obsessed with James Toney, I am obsessed with Joe Calzaghe, I am not obsessed with Floyd Mayweather. I started a thread asking what it was all about as frankly the mans career for the past decade has been all about doing what he wants when he wants it and not giving a damn about any of you. Then he comes along and decides to fight a novice and apparently wanted Brits to pay 100 pounds for a PPV and is charging Americans 100 dollars for a PPV. I don't understand the appeal, I don't understand why the media has lapped it up so casually, and I don't know why 'fans' like you seem to be so into it and cannot abide someone speaking a little truth. It is not hating or obsessing to say it is all a bit rubbish and that he is and has been taking the piss out of everybody. You probably want to kiss Floyd Mayweather. That is obsession. :kissasskc4:
On the subject of James Toney, at least he had the brass balls to step outside of his safety zone with the crossover thing. That was a man that could lose, but he would fight anyone, anywhere. A man who went up to heavyweight and fought the biggest punchers, who in his 40's went down to cruiserweight to fight for a title. In his 40's! Older than Floyd who is doing this now. In his 40's taking on another guy in a field he had no knowledge of no strings attached. That right there is a legend. That is something to be obsessed with even though it sometimes went wrong. Floyd? Nope, I just don't get it.