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Yeah great fight last night.I kept on shouting at the t.v for Froch to keep his damn left hand up after getting tagged all the time from Pascal's over right hands!Lets see if Calzaghe steps up to the plate and gives us all what we really want and fight Froch!
Well done Froch.
It really would'nt surprise me if there's a Froch vs Pascal rematch somewhere in the near future!
Great entertaining figt that answered a lot of Q's. Froch has a very good chin, but little defensive capabilities, he has decent power but isn't the wrechink machine that his fans wanted everyone to believe. He's shown that he belongs competing with the best in the division.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
IMO he'd be the clear underdog against Kess. 50/50 with Bute, with the advantage going with the home fighter, and also 50/50 with Taylor (I reckon Taylor is more skilled but won't be able to take Carl out.)
This shows just how padded Froch's record has been, and it's pretty good indicator that he's a big fraud. Pascal is a very average fighter. If Pascal pushed Froch this far, imagine what Kessler will do to him. It will be a lamb led to slaughter. Andrade would knock him out and Bute and Taylor would easily outpoint him.
He a good opponent for anybody because he comes to fight and that makes fr action, but he is who is he. A decent but flawed fighter who will get his ass handled to him by the upper echelon.
He wasnt as bad as all that,but if he doesnt stop dropping that jab hand to his thigh,a faster opponent is seriously going to make him pay for thatQuote:
Originally Posted by RozzySean
Reminded me of Benn v Gman a little bit and it was a proper scrap with both landing wicked punches throughout the 12.
I had Froch by 2 or 3 and he showed a great chin but needs to fire off that jab way more if he were to face a Kessler and win.
BIG rumours he's gonna fight Taylor at the Garden and i think the Cobra would wipe the floor with him and i think he'd give Kessler a tough fight and might have the awkward style to even beat him.
One of the best fights in the UK for a while.:cool:
Froch is a force at Super middle!..Simple as.
It was entertaining in as much as they were quite evenly matched, both are limited skills wise, both get hit alot and neither has a ko punch.
If Kessler or Calzaghe, were to ave faced either of those Two it wouldnt have been exciting because they would have been figuyred out very quickly and controlled.
You also have to remember that they are both used to fighting journeymen, people who they have lots of advantages over, as soon as they face someone on their own level they struggle, when they move up again theyll struggle more, this win does nothing for Frochs standing as Pascal wasnt tested himself, Pascal is known to have a shaky chin and he fought very wild with no worrys of Carls power;D
The funny thing is, we all ready knew his strengths and weaknesses.. they were just highlighted by the higher calibre fighter...Quote:
Originally Posted by BompGreat entertaining figt that answered a lot of Q's. Froch has a very good chin, but little defensive capabilities, he has decent power but isn't the wrechink machine that his fans wanted everyone to believe. He's shown that he belongs competing with the best in the division.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
IMO he'd be the clear underdog against Kess. 50/50 with Bute, with the advantage going with the home fighter, and also 50/50 with Taylor (I reckon Taylor is more skilled but won't be able to take Carl out.)
His chin has always looked solid at lower level.. and now passed the test in higher class.
His defence has always looked awful.. and got totally exposed as that in higher class.
His power has always been decent without looking dynamite.. which showed in higher class.
I reckon Kessler would slaughter him. He has a good chance against the others though.
Haven't seen it but shocked to hear that Paschal's chin held up in a war type fight, looked shaky before.
I was pleased Froch won but I'm going to be honest...
He seemed nervous and I think that slowed him uo. At times he seemed to be fighting very stiff and straight up with little defence. If he had been facing a top puncher he would have lost (no matter how good his chin is... and I think it's very good). He was forced to punch down a lot because Pascal continually ducking below the waistline. Uppercuts would have beena useful weapon but these were only used rarely and often as lead single shots.
Froch showed a lot of heart but if Pascal (who says he had modeled himself on RJJ) had been 60% of what RJJ was then he would have won.
Froch will struggle against fast agile opponents....
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Originally Posted by Shamrock
You could tell that both fighters especially Froch were nervous before and during the first 3 or four rounds.You could see how tense their both were as their were throw punches.Cant blame them really,with them having undefeated record each!Froch started to ease and relax in the 5th!
I agree. I wasn't sold on his chin before the weekend, and his defence was actually worse than I anticipated against the higher caliber opponent. Rozzy sean is right when he says Froch isn't with the upper echelon of the sport, but neither are Bute/Andrade, which gives him a good shot of beating them. But he simply hasn't got the much vaunted power to take out Kess and no way he wins a decision. Every single time Pascal threw a wild hayemaher from the outside he bloody landed it.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterThe funny thing is, we all ready knew his strengths and weaknesses.. they were just highlighted by the higher calibre fighter...Quote:
Originally Posted by BompGreat entertaining figt that answered a lot of Q's. Froch has a very good chin, but little defensive capabilities, he has decent power but isn't the wrechink machine that his fans wanted everyone to believe. He's shown that he belongs competing with the best in the division.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
IMO he'd be the clear underdog against Kess. 50/50 with Bute, with the advantage going with the home fighter, and also 50/50 with Taylor (I reckon Taylor is more skilled but won't be able to take Carl out.)
His chin has always looked solid at lower level.. and now passed the test in higher class.
His defence has always looked awful.. and got totally exposed as that in higher class.
His power has always been decent without looking dynamite.. which showed in higher class.
I reckon Kessler would slaughter him. He has a good chance against the others though.
Pascal was gracious in defeat as well, he accepted that he lost without bullshit in his interview, while he pointed out the scoring should have been closer. And he was rioght, the 118-110 score was criminal considering the man's effort.
He would have a shot to beat beat Andrade or Bute, but he's certainly not a class above them. Bute is a far superior boxer who has faced much better competition than Froch. I'd make Bute a pretty big favorite. Froch against Andrade would be interesting, but can you see Froch taking Andrade's shots as well has he took Pascal's? Those wild haymaker you mentioned, what if those had been from Andrade?Quote:
Originally Posted by BompI agree. I wasn't sold on his chin before the weekend, and his defence was actually worse than I anticipated against the higher caliber opponent. Rozzy sean is right when he says Froch isn't with the upper echelon of the sport, but neither are Bute/Andrade, which gives him a good shot of beating them. But he simply hasn't got the much vaunted power to take out Kess and no way he wins a decision. Every single time Pascal threw a wild hayemaher from the outside he bloody landed it.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterThe funny thing is, we all ready knew his strengths and weaknesses.. they were just highlighted by the higher calibre fighter...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bomp
His chin has always looked solid at lower level.. and now passed the test in higher class.
His defence has always looked awful.. and got totally exposed as that in higher class.
His power has always been decent without looking dynamite.. which showed in higher class.
I reckon Kessler would slaughter him. He has a good chance against the others though.
Pascal was gracious in defeat as well, he accepted that he lost without bullshit in his interview, while he pointed out the scoring should have been closer. And he was rioght, the 118-110 score was criminal considering the man's effort.
Just watched the fight. 118 - 110 my ass - what fight was that judge watching??? haven't seen much of Froch, he sure is a dirty fighter. Lots of holding and hitting, leaning on the head, hitting behind the head etc. Was a good fight though.Quote:
Originally Posted by BompI agree. I wasn't sold on his chin before the weekend, and his defence was actually worse than I anticipated against the higher caliber opponent. Rozzy sean is right when he says Froch isn't with the upper echelon of the sport, but neither are Bute/Andrade, which gives him a good shot of beating them. But he simply hasn't got the much vaunted power to take out Kess and no way he wins a decision. Every single time Pascal threw a wild hayemaher from the outside he bloody landed it.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterThe funny thing is, we all ready knew his strengths and weaknesses.. they were just highlighted by the higher calibre fighter...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bomp
His chin has always looked solid at lower level.. and now passed the test in higher class.
His defence has always looked awful.. and got totally exposed as that in higher class.
His power has always been decent without looking dynamite.. which showed in higher class.
I reckon Kessler would slaughter him. He has a good chance against the others though.
Pascal was gracious in defeat as well, he accepted that he lost without bullshit in his interview, while he pointed out the scoring should have been closer. And he was rioght, the 118-110 score was criminal considering the man's effort.
He has always fought like this, thats what I mean when I say hes slow footed, often left out of position by his opponents, hes posing and left looking at thin air then loads a big shot that misses wildly while he pulls his witch face.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shamrock
Its just that against someone who wasnt smaller and past it, it was highlighted.
Joe would make it look like the Lacy fight with the amount of shots hed land.
Great scrap, only problem was it clashed with the Audley fight ;D
I'd prefer to see Froch use his jab in an orthadox manner, its hit or miss with that flick from the waist, looks tired too. Great chin shown by both, thought Pascal was there for the taking at times but he dug in well. Froch deffo looked hurt at times too. Think someone like Calzaghe or Kessler would make both look pretty ordinary to be honest.
Great win though, well done Froch.
100% agree …I don’t see Cobra winning more than 1 or 2 rounds in a Kessler fight and I’d go 60/40 on Bute or Taylor, they already proved they can handle tough opposition if are not hard pressed.Quote:
Originally Posted by RozzySeanHe would have a shot to beat beat Andrade or Bute, but he's certainly not a class above them. Bute is a far superior boxer who has faced much better competition than Froch. I'd make Bute a pretty big favorite. Froch against Andrade would be interesting, but can you see Froch taking Andrade's shots as well has he took Pascal's? Those wild haymaker you mentioned, what if those had been from Andrade?Quote:
Originally Posted by BompI agree. I wasn't sold on his chin before the weekend, and his defence was actually worse than I anticipated against the higher caliber opponent. Rozzy sean is right when he says Froch isn't with the upper echelon of the sport, but neither are Bute/Andrade, which gives him a good shot of beating them. But he simply hasn't got the much vaunted power to take out Kess and no way he wins a decision. Every single time Pascal threw a wild hayemaher from the outside he bloody landed it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Pascal was gracious in defeat as well, he accepted that he lost without bullshit in his interview, while he pointed out the scoring should have been closer. And he was rioght, the 118-110 score was criminal considering the man's effort.
With Andrade is another story, there are not just those wild haymaker, I have also some doubts that Froch has the stamina to keep the pace , it would be a good fight though.
I love fights like this. They bring a tear to my eye.
The other thing about Froch is that he dosent like to go to the Body as much as id like.
Every time Pascal bent low (way below the waist most times) i was screaming at Froch to dig in with the Left Down stairs.
Froch Neglected the left hook mostly of teh fight. Considering the fact he holds that hand so low, how pointless is that ???
Even with andrade's poor technical abilities he'll be landing on Froch regularly. Would be a hell of a brawl and a bit of a pick 'em.Quote:
Originally Posted by iwng100100% agree …I don’t see Cobra winning more than 1 or 2 rounds in a Kessler fight and I’d go 60/40 on Bute or Taylor, they already proved they can handle tough opposition if are not hard pressed.Quote:
Originally Posted by RozzySeanHe would have a shot to beat beat Andrade or Bute, but he's certainly not a class above them. Bute is a far superior boxer who has faced much better competition than Froch. I'd make Bute a pretty big favorite. Froch against Andrade would be interesting, but can you see Froch taking Andrade's shots as well has he took Pascal's? Those wild haymaker you mentioned, what if those had been from Andrade?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bomp
With Andrade is another story, there are not just those wild haymaker, I have also some doubts that Froch has the stamina to keep the pace , it would be a good fight though.
Its called boxing clever and using the best of your abilitys to gain an advantage.Quote:
Originally Posted by bikerskJust watched the fight. 118 - 110 my ass - what fight was that judge watching??? haven't seen much of Froch, he sure is a dirty fighter. Lots of holding and hitting, leaning on the head, hitting behind the head etc. Was a good fight though.Quote:
Originally Posted by BompI agree. I wasn't sold on his chin before the weekend, and his defence was actually worse than I anticipated against the higher caliber opponent. Rozzy sean is right when he says Froch isn't with the upper echelon of the sport, but neither are Bute/Andrade, which gives him a good shot of beating them. But he simply hasn't got the much vaunted power to take out Kess and no way he wins a decision. Every single time Pascal threw a wild hayemaher from the outside he bloody landed it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Pascal was gracious in defeat as well, he accepted that he lost without bullshit in his interview, while he pointed out the scoring should have been closer. And he was rioght, the 118-110 score was criminal considering the man's effort.
Froch is one of the smartest fighters in the game that fights with his head rather than through sheer brute strength.
I scored it 116-112 the 1st time and 117-111 when i watched it again last night.
Though he really has gotta get out of that habit of getting caught on the inside when he trys to tie his man up!!
good fight.
Froch didn't really impress me, No defense at ALL!!!
he did deserve the win though, he outworked Pascal in the second half of the fight. Judges scores were abit too wide.
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Originally Posted by hattonthehammerIts called boxing clever and using the best of your abilitys to gain an advantage.Quote:
Originally Posted by bikerskJust watched the fight. 118 - 110 my ass - what fight was that judge watching??? haven't seen much of Froch, he sure is a dirty fighter. Lots of holding and hitting, leaning on the head, hitting behind the head etc. Was a good fight though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bomp
Froch is one of the smartest fighters in the game that fights with his head rather than through sheer brute strength.
I scored it 116-112 the 1st time and 117-111 when i watched it again last night.
Though he really has gotta get out of that habit of getting caught on the inside when he trys to tie his man up!!
Funny guy.
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Originally Posted by Pugilistic;D;DQuote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerIts called boxing clever and using the best of your abilitys to gain an advantage.Quote:
Originally Posted by bikersk
Froch is one of the smartest fighters in the game that fights with his head rather than through sheer brute strength.
I scored it 116-112 the 1st time and 117-111 when i watched it again last night.
Though he really has gotta get out of that habit of getting caught on the inside when he trys to tie his man up!!
Funny guy.
Yes because froch has got to get where he is by being blessed with amazing strength and a chin made out of iron
:lolhaha::lolhaha::lolhaha:
If youve ever heard the man chat about the sport you`ll soon realise he is one of the most intelligent guys inside the ring and out of it!!
Maybe just maybe Froch got where he is by fighting bums.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerQuote:
Originally Posted by Pugilistic;D;DQuote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
Funny guy.
Yes because froch has got to get where he is by being blessed with amazing strength and a chin made out of iron
:lolhaha::lolhaha::lolhaha:
If youve ever heard the man chat about the sport you`ll soon realise he is one of the most intelligent guys inside the ring and out of it!!
Froch was getting outboxed by Pascal until Pascal got tired.
He hasn't shown me anything that makes me believe he is a smart fighter, If he is as smart as you make out why hasnt he worked on his seriously flawed defense.
Plus Froch's so called dangerous power was no where to be seen against Pascal.
Froch's power = Overated.
Froch gets outboxed by Kessler, Bute and Taylor.
I agree he's intelligent outside the ring, but I'm not sure where you get the idea that he applies that brain once he steps inside the ropes.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerQuote:
Originally Posted by Pugilistic;D;DQuote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
Funny guy.
Yes because froch has got to get where he is by being blessed with amazing strength and a chin made out of iron
:lolhaha::lolhaha::lolhaha:
If youve ever heard the man chat about the sport you`ll soon realise he is one of the most intelligent guys inside the ring and out of it!!