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    Default Re: Carl Froch vs Jean Pascal Quality Fight So Far

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    I thought it was a brilliant fight.

    Both should be praised for fighting their bollocks off.

    It was closer than the scorecards but the right man won. Well done big nose.
    Great entertaining figt that answered a lot of Q's. Froch has a very good chin, but little defensive capabilities, he has decent power but isn't the wrechink machine that his fans wanted everyone to believe. He's shown that he belongs competing with the best in the division.

    IMO he'd be the clear underdog against Kess. 50/50 with Bute, with the advantage going with the home fighter, and also 50/50 with Taylor (I reckon Taylor is more skilled but won't be able to take Carl out.)

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    Default Re: Carl Froch vs Jean Pascal Quality Fight So Far

    This shows just how padded Froch's record has been, and it's pretty good indicator that he's a big fraud. Pascal is a very average fighter. If Pascal pushed Froch this far, imagine what Kessler will do to him. It will be a lamb led to slaughter. Andrade would knock him out and Bute and Taylor would easily outpoint him.

    He a good opponent for anybody because he comes to fight and that makes fr action, but he is who is he. A decent but flawed fighter who will get his ass handled to him by the upper echelon.

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    Default Re: Carl Froch vs Jean Pascal Quality Fight So Far

    Quote Originally Posted by RozzySean View Post
    This shows just how padded Froch's record has been, and it's pretty good indicator that he's a big fraud. Pascal is a very average fighter. If Pascal pushed Froch this far, imagine what Kessler will do to him. It will be a lamb led to slaughter. Andrade would knock him out and Bute and Taylor would easily outpoint him.

    He a good opponent for anybody because he comes to fight and that makes fr action, but he is who is he. A decent but flawed fighter who will get his ass handled to him by the upper echelon.
    He wasnt as bad as all that,but if he doesnt stop dropping that jab hand to his thigh,a faster opponent is seriously going to make him pay for that

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    Default Re: Carl Froch vs Jean Pascal Quality Fight So Far

    Quote Originally Posted by Bomp View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    I thought it was a brilliant fight.

    Both should be praised for fighting their bollocks off.

    It was closer than the scorecards but the right man won. Well done big nose.
    Great entertaining figt that answered a lot of Q's. Froch has a very good chin, but little defensive capabilities, he has decent power but isn't the wrechink machine that his fans wanted everyone to believe. He's shown that he belongs competing with the best in the division.

    IMO he'd be the clear underdog against Kess. 50/50 with Bute, with the advantage going with the home fighter, and also 50/50 with Taylor (I reckon Taylor is more skilled but won't be able to take Carl out.)
    The funny thing is, we all ready knew his strengths and weaknesses.. they were just highlighted by the higher calibre fighter...

    His chin has always looked solid at lower level.. and now passed the test in higher class.

    His defence has always looked awful.. and got totally exposed as that in higher class.

    His power has always been decent without looking dynamite.. which showed in higher class.

    I reckon Kessler would slaughter him. He has a good chance against the others though.
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    Default Re: Carl Froch vs Jean Pascal Quality Fight So Far

    Haven't seen it but shocked to hear that Paschal's chin held up in a war type fight, looked shaky before.

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    Default Re: Carl Froch vs Jean Pascal Quality Fight So Far

    I was pleased Froch won but I'm going to be honest...

    He seemed nervous and I think that slowed him uo. At times he seemed to be fighting very stiff and straight up with little defence. If he had been facing a top puncher he would have lost (no matter how good his chin is... and I think it's very good). He was forced to punch down a lot because Pascal continually ducking below the waistline. Uppercuts would have beena useful weapon but these were only used rarely and often as lead single shots.

    Froch showed a lot of heart but if Pascal (who says he had modeled himself on RJJ) had been 60% of what RJJ was then he would have won.

    Froch will struggle against fast agile opponents....
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    Default Re: Carl Froch vs Jean Pascal Quality Fight So Far

    Quote Originally Posted by Shamrock View Post
    I was pleased Froch won but I'm going to be honest...

    He seemed nervous and I think that slowed him uo. At times he seemed to be fighting very stiff and straight up with little defence. If he had been facing a top puncher he would have lost (no matter how good his chin is... and I think it's very good). He was forced to punch down a lot because Pascal continually ducking below the waistline. Uppercuts would have beena useful weapon but these were only used rarely and often as lead single shots.

    Froch showed a lot of heart but if Pascal (who says he had modeled himself on RJJ) had been 60% of what RJJ was then he would have won.

    Froch will struggle against fast agile opponents....

    You could tell that both fighters especially Froch were nervous before and during the first 3 or four rounds.You could see how tense their both were as their were throw punches.Cant blame them really,with them having undefeated record each!Froch started to ease and relax in the 5th!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shamrock View Post
    He seemed nervous and I think that slowed him uo. At times he seemed to be fighting very stiff and straight up with little defence. ..
    He has always fought like this, thats what I mean when I say hes slow footed, often left out of position by his opponents, hes posing and left looking at thin air then loads a big shot that misses wildly while he pulls his witch face.

    Its just that against someone who wasnt smaller and past it, it was highlighted.

    Joe would make it look like the Lacy fight with the amount of shots hed land.

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    Default Re: Carl Froch vs Jean Pascal Quality Fight So Far

    Great scrap, only problem was it clashed with the Audley fight

    I'd prefer to see Froch use his jab in an orthadox manner, its hit or miss with that flick from the waist, looks tired too. Great chin shown by both, thought Pascal was there for the taking at times but he dug in well. Froch deffo looked hurt at times too. Think someone like Calzaghe or Kessler would make both look pretty ordinary to be honest.

    Great win though, well done Froch.
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    Default Re: Carl Froch vs Jean Pascal Quality Fight So Far

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Bomp View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    I thought it was a brilliant fight.

    Both should be praised for fighting their bollocks off.

    It was closer than the scorecards but the right man won. Well done big nose.
    Great entertaining figt that answered a lot of Q's. Froch has a very good chin, but little defensive capabilities, he has decent power but isn't the wrechink machine that his fans wanted everyone to believe. He's shown that he belongs competing with the best in the division.

    IMO he'd be the clear underdog against Kess. 50/50 with Bute, with the advantage going with the home fighter, and also 50/50 with Taylor (I reckon Taylor is more skilled but won't be able to take Carl out.)
    The funny thing is, we all ready knew his strengths and weaknesses.. they were just highlighted by the higher calibre fighter...

    His chin has always looked solid at lower level.. and now passed the test in higher class.

    His defence has always looked awful.. and got totally exposed as that in higher class.

    His power has always been decent without looking dynamite.. which showed in higher class.

    I reckon Kessler would slaughter him. He has a good chance against the others though.
    I agree. I wasn't sold on his chin before the weekend, and his defence was actually worse than I anticipated against the higher caliber opponent. Rozzy sean is right when he says Froch isn't with the upper echelon of the sport, but neither are Bute/Andrade, which gives him a good shot of beating them. But he simply hasn't got the much vaunted power to take out Kess and no way he wins a decision. Every single time Pascal threw a wild hayemaher from the outside he bloody landed it.

    Pascal was gracious in defeat as well, he accepted that he lost without bullshit in his interview, while he pointed out the scoring should have been closer. And he was rioght, the 118-110 score was criminal considering the man's effort.

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    Default Re: Carl Froch vs Jean Pascal Quality Fight So Far

    Quote Originally Posted by Bomp View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Bomp View Post

    Great entertaining figt that answered a lot of Q's. Froch has a very good chin, but little defensive capabilities, he has decent power but isn't the wrechink machine that his fans wanted everyone to believe. He's shown that he belongs competing with the best in the division.

    IMO he'd be the clear underdog against Kess. 50/50 with Bute, with the advantage going with the home fighter, and also 50/50 with Taylor (I reckon Taylor is more skilled but won't be able to take Carl out.)
    The funny thing is, we all ready knew his strengths and weaknesses.. they were just highlighted by the higher calibre fighter...

    His chin has always looked solid at lower level.. and now passed the test in higher class.

    His defence has always looked awful.. and got totally exposed as that in higher class.

    His power has always been decent without looking dynamite.. which showed in higher class.

    I reckon Kessler would slaughter him. He has a good chance against the others though.
    I agree. I wasn't sold on his chin before the weekend, and his defence was actually worse than I anticipated against the higher caliber opponent. Rozzy sean is right when he says Froch isn't with the upper echelon of the sport, but neither are Bute/Andrade, which gives him a good shot of beating them. But he simply hasn't got the much vaunted power to take out Kess and no way he wins a decision. Every single time Pascal threw a wild hayemaher from the outside he bloody landed it.

    Pascal was gracious in defeat as well, he accepted that he lost without bullshit in his interview, while he pointed out the scoring should have been closer. And he was rioght, the 118-110 score was criminal considering the man's effort.
    He would have a shot to beat beat Andrade or Bute, but he's certainly not a class above them. Bute is a far superior boxer who has faced much better competition than Froch. I'd make Bute a pretty big favorite. Froch against Andrade would be interesting, but can you see Froch taking Andrade's shots as well has he took Pascal's? Those wild haymaker you mentioned, what if those had been from Andrade?

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    Default Re: Carl Froch vs Jean Pascal Quality Fight So Far

    Quote Originally Posted by RozzySean View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Bomp View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post

    The funny thing is, we all ready knew his strengths and weaknesses.. they were just highlighted by the higher calibre fighter...

    His chin has always looked solid at lower level.. and now passed the test in higher class.

    His defence has always looked awful.. and got totally exposed as that in higher class.

    His power has always been decent without looking dynamite.. which showed in higher class.

    I reckon Kessler would slaughter him. He has a good chance against the others though.
    I agree. I wasn't sold on his chin before the weekend, and his defence was actually worse than I anticipated against the higher caliber opponent. Rozzy sean is right when he says Froch isn't with the upper echelon of the sport, but neither are Bute/Andrade, which gives him a good shot of beating them. But he simply hasn't got the much vaunted power to take out Kess and no way he wins a decision. Every single time Pascal threw a wild hayemaher from the outside he bloody landed it.

    Pascal was gracious in defeat as well, he accepted that he lost without bullshit in his interview, while he pointed out the scoring should have been closer. And he was rioght, the 118-110 score was criminal considering the man's effort.
    He would have a shot to beat beat Andrade or Bute, but he's certainly not a class above them. Bute is a far superior boxer who has faced much better competition than Froch. I'd make Bute a pretty big favorite. Froch against Andrade would be interesting, but can you see Froch taking Andrade's shots as well has he took Pascal's? Those wild haymaker you mentioned, what if those had been from Andrade?
    100% agree …I don’t see Cobra winning more than 1 or 2 rounds in a Kessler fight and I’d go 60/40 on Bute or Taylor, they already proved they can handle tough opposition if are not hard pressed.
    With Andrade is another story, there are not just those wild haymaker, I have also some doubts that Froch has the stamina to keep the pace , it would be a good fight though.

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    Default Re: Carl Froch vs Jean Pascal Quality Fight So Far

    I love fights like this. They bring a tear to my eye.

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    Default Re: Carl Froch vs Jean Pascal Quality Fight So Far

    The other thing about Froch is that he dosent like to go to the Body as much as id like.

    Every time Pascal bent low (way below the waist most times) i was screaming at Froch to dig in with the Left Down stairs.

    Froch Neglected the left hook mostly of teh fight. Considering the fact he holds that hand so low, how pointless is that
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    Default Re: Carl Froch vs Jean Pascal Quality Fight So Far

    Quote Originally Posted by iwng100 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by RozzySean View Post
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    I agree. I wasn't sold on his chin before the weekend, and his defence was actually worse than I anticipated against the higher caliber opponent. Rozzy sean is right when he says Froch isn't with the upper echelon of the sport, but neither are Bute/Andrade, which gives him a good shot of beating them. But he simply hasn't got the much vaunted power to take out Kess and no way he wins a decision. Every single time Pascal threw a wild hayemaher from the outside he bloody landed it.

    Pascal was gracious in defeat as well, he accepted that he lost without bullshit in his interview, while he pointed out the scoring should have been closer. And he was rioght, the 118-110 score was criminal considering the man's effort.
    He would have a shot to beat beat Andrade or Bute, but he's certainly not a class above them. Bute is a far superior boxer who has faced much better competition than Froch. I'd make Bute a pretty big favorite. Froch against Andrade would be interesting, but can you see Froch taking Andrade's shots as well has he took Pascal's? Those wild haymaker you mentioned, what if those had been from Andrade?
    100% agree …I don’t see Cobra winning more than 1 or 2 rounds in a Kessler fight and I’d go 60/40 on Bute or Taylor, they already proved they can handle tough opposition if are not hard pressed.
    With Andrade is another story, there are not just those wild haymaker, I have also some doubts that Froch has the stamina to keep the pace , it would be a good fight though.
    Even with andrade's poor technical abilities he'll be landing on Froch regularly. Would be a hell of a brawl and a bit of a pick 'em.

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