You heard it here first, Mosley will beat Floyd

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Another thing about the Margarito fight is that all of that pre-fight chaos seemed to create a definite change in Margarito's level of confidence during the fight, and boosted Shane's.

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Yea I've always thought Margarito wasn't all there mentally that fight as a result of all the dramas.

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Margarito ia already a goner before he even stepped into the ring. He was found out to be a cheat and psychologically wasn't able to recover. Even the weight drained Oscar dela Hoya might have been able to dispose of him.

I am routing for Mosley but I really don't think that he would be able to pull this through. But who knows, anything can happen. He has a chance but I would not bet on it.

Go Mosley!!

Shane's old, he's had one decent performance in over 5 years. How he is pound for pound number 3 is beyond me and so is anyone expects him to beat floyd.

Floyd walks this.

I think Shane deserves great respect for being able to maintain himself as well as he has at this stage of his career. He is still a great athlete and a warrior...so he will not be a cake walk for anyone. Also, i feel like Naseen Richardson has done good work with him. Shane seems to be a bit more fluid and throws more combos....instead of just relying on power punches. That all being said...Floyd will win this fight. If this fight had taken place 10 years ago...Shane very well could have used his tremendous speed, power, and raw athleticism to potentially beat Floyd. But right now...Floyd is just too good a technical fighter...too fluid and sharp. I really think the key to beating Floyd is possessing a GREAT jab and having a solid game plan. Otherwise, Floyd will adapt and use his great speed and reflexes to pick his opponent off. Again, Shane is a warrior...so it should be an exciting fight (and much more interesting than Pac vs. Clottey). But i see Shane running out of answers by the middle of the fight. Floyd on points.

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IMO Lyle and the others predicting a Shane win are reading WAY too much into the Margarito performance. Margarito is so slow - Shane couldn't help but beat him to the punch.

But before that, Shane was looking really, really ordinary. Vargas, Collazo, Mayorga - seriously, I think Shane might win a couple of rounds early, but I think it's going to be a long frustrating night after that.


Hope I'm wrong though:-\

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You can add winky to that list. you've summed up shane well. Everyone is going off one performance against margarito. IMO that means jack shit. Look at all the fights before that.

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SHut up mate! I don't feel your flow foo! Why don't you just chew up graham crackers till you choke on it coz i don't need to hear your opinion.
And what's the difference in calling pbf my nigga instead of nigger?! Is nigga more humiliating? So if i call a cop coppa instead of copper it would humiliate them more?!
It depends on how i talk it, idiot. The words don't matter. I be down with my nigga floyd and floyd will smash mosley. So am i discriminating floyd by saying my nigga? Nooooope. Actually i am down wit him. Ya dig? Foo.

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Is this a joke or does he really talk like that? Street talk? :vd:

:lolhaha::lolhaha::lolhaha:

Hey Takamura, don't be a menace in South Central while drinking your juice in the hood.

just wondering why so many are rooting for Shane.

I still have hope that there will be the mega fight we all want to see between Floyd and Manny, and a loss by either of them would pretty much kill that fight.

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SHut up mate! I don't feel your flow foo! Why don't you just chew up graham crackers till you choke on it coz i don't need to hear your opinion.
And what's the difference in calling pbf my nigga instead of nigger?! Is nigga more humiliating? So if i call a cop coppa instead of copper it would humiliate them more?!
It depends on how i talk it, idiot. The words don't matter. I be down with my nigga floyd and floyd will smash mosley. So am i discriminating floyd by saying my nigga? Nooooope. Actually i am down wit him. Ya dig? Foo.

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Is this a joke or does he really talk like that? Street talk? :vd:

:lolhaha::lolhaha::lolhaha:

Hey Takamura, don't be a menace in South Central while drinking your juice in the hood.

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yo yo yo I got ma ho in da limo!

I Iz down ya dig? ya feel me brother? you iz trippin!! you iz trippin!


See I can do it too!:cool:

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Shane Mosley WILL BEAT Floyd Mayweather Jr.

Shane's smart, he's strong, he has very quick hands, he's not killing himself to make weight, and Floyd can't hurt him.

I think Floyd has been apprehensive about fighting a couple guys at 147 and rightfully so in some cases: Cotto, Williams, Margarito, Shane Mosley, and Pacquiao. Now of course the Floyd fans will say Floyd has little left to prove and those fights didn't make sense etc etc but Floyd's record speaks for itself he never once said "Give me Cotto and I'll beat him" or "Give me Williams and I'll beat him" he simply waited until they lost and said "See, they weren't worthy of a shot vs me" and it doesn't make sense for Floyd not to fight when the money is to his liking. If he was truly "Money Mayweather" he would have fought at least 3 of those guys because you cannot tell me that ANY of those fights wouldn't have made HUGE money at the gate and on PPV.

Stylistically Floyd has very little to offer Shane, the guys who have beaten Shane either use their height and reach (Forrest & Wright) or are durable enough to trade with Shane and get the better of him (Miguel Cotto and to a lesser extent De la Hoya in the rematch was able to hang with him). Floyd has great defense but he isn't as effective until he gets a fighter to tire themself out, vs Judah and Hatton he allowed them to do work early and chase him around the ring while he pot shotted them for at least half the fight knowing especially that Zab would have 0 to offer him later in the fight and that's when Floyd turned it on....Shane doesn't have much in the defense department but he's strong and he's got fast DANGEROUS hands and he's going to beat Floyd.

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Lyle i have already said in a previous post , that Shane will win and be the first to drop and hurt Mayweather.

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Floyd has already been hurt and dropped. He took a count vs Hernandez. He was floored by Judah but a count wasnt given. He was hurt by Corley and he was almost floored by Hatton in the 1st . Mosley is alot better than those guys.

Only doubt I have about Shane is that he was out boxed by Cotto who is not known for his silky boxing skills. Shane also tends to load up his punches if he runs out of ideas and tries to take people out with one shot.

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Shane Mosley WILL BEAT Floyd Mayweather Jr.

Shane's smart, he's strong, he has very quick hands, he's not killing himself to make weight, and Floyd can't hurt him.

I think Floyd has been apprehensive about fighting a couple guys at 147 and rightfully so in some cases: Cotto, Williams, Margarito, Shane Mosley, and Pacquiao. Now of course the Floyd fans will say Floyd has little left to prove and those fights didn't make sense etc etc but Floyd's record speaks for itself he never once said "Give me Cotto and I'll beat him" or "Give me Williams and I'll beat him" he simply waited until they lost and said "See, they weren't worthy of a shot vs me" and it doesn't make sense for Floyd not to fight when the money is to his liking. If he was truly "Money Mayweather" he would have fought at least 3 of those guys because you cannot tell me that ANY of those fights wouldn't have made HUGE money at the gate and on PPV.

Stylistically Floyd has very little to offer Shane, the guys who have beaten Shane either use their height and reach (Forrest & Wright) or are durable enough to trade with Shane and get the better of him (Miguel Cotto and to a lesser extent De la Hoya in the rematch was able to hang with him). Floyd has great defense but he isn't as effective until he gets a fighter to tire themself out, vs Judah and Hatton he allowed them to do work early and chase him around the ring while he pot shotted them for at least half the fight knowing especially that Zab would have 0 to offer him later in the fight and that's when Floyd turned it on....Shane doesn't have much in the defense department but he's strong and he's got fast DANGEROUS hands and he's going to beat Floyd.

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Lyle i have already said in a previous post , that Shane will win and be the first to drop and hurt Mayweather.

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Floyd has already been hurt and dropped. He took a count vs Hernandez. He was floored by Judah but a count wasnt given. He was hurt by Corley and he was almost floored by Hatton in the 1st . Mosley is alot better than those guys.

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What you're saying is only partially true. He broke his hand in the Hernandez fight and that's why his glove touched the canvas. His glove also touched against Judah, which should have been ruled a KD in hindsight, but he wasn't badly hurt. Corley buzzed him a bit, but again it's not like he was in danger of being stopped. The only reason he stumbled against Hatton was because he was off-balance, Hatton never hurt him in that fight. IMO Mosley is in for a beating.

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Lyle i have already said in a previous post , that Shane will win and be the first to drop and hurt Mayweather.

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Floyd has already been hurt and dropped. He took a count vs Hernandez. He was floored by Judah but a count wasnt given. He was hurt by Corley and he was almost floored by Hatton in the 1st . Mosley is alot better than those guys.

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What you're saying is only partially true. He broke his hand in the Hernandez fight and that's why his glove touched the canvas. His glove also touched against Judah, which should have been ruled a KD in hindsight, but he wasn't badly hurt. Corley buzzed him a bit, but again it's not like he was in danger of being stopped. The only reason he stumbled against Hatton was because he was off-balance, Hatton never hurt him in that fight. IMO Mosley is in for a beating.

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Completely agree, Floyd has yet to have been really damaged in a fight and he has definitely been caught more than once on some solid shots. Honestly though I doubt Shane even lands one solid shit. Shane maybe wins 2 rounds

It is crazy if you had asked me about Floyd when he fought Hatton, I would have cursed his name, couldn't stand the guy. After going through and watching a lot of his fights again and maybe just me getting old. I find his style nothing but gratifying lately. This is the first fight I am rooting for him and will continue to do so. He is just incredibly gifted

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Floyd has already been hurt and dropped. He took a count vs Hernandez. He was floored by Judah but a count wasnt given. He was hurt by Corley and he was almost floored by Hatton in the 1st . Mosley is alot better than those guys.

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What you're saying is only partially true. He broke his hand in the Hernandez fight and that's why his glove touched the canvas. His glove also touched against Judah, which should have been ruled a KD in hindsight, but he wasn't badly hurt. Corley buzzed him a bit, but again it's not like he was in danger of being stopped. The only reason he stumbled against Hatton was because he was off-balance, Hatton never hurt him in that fight. IMO Mosley is in for a beating.

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Completely agree, Floyd has yet to have been really damaged in a fight and he has definitely been caught more than once on some solid shots. Honestly though I doubt Shane even lands one solid shit. Shane maybe wins 2 rounds

It is crazy if you had asked me about Floyd when he fought Hatton, I would have cursed his name, couldn't stand the guy. After going through and watching a lot of his fights again and maybe just me getting old. I find his style nothing but gratifying lately. This is the first fight I am rooting for him and will continue to do so. He is just incredibly gifted

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I'm similar, against Oscar I wanted him to get beaten into retirement. But since i have sat back and just tried to enjoy his talent and now thats exectly what i do and have become something of a Floyd fan!

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Originally Posted by djcione

just wondering why so many are rooting for Shane.

I still have hope that there will be the mega fight we all want to see between Floyd and Manny, and a loss by either of them would pretty much kill that fight.

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Actually might make it more likely to happen. Floyd fought Zab after Zab lost.

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Originally Posted by Master

Only doubt I have about Shane is that he was out boxed by Cotto who is not known for his silky boxing skills. Shane also tends to load up his punches if he runs out of ideas and tries to take people out with one shot.

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Shane has been held back in his development by not having a strategic trainer. His dad had him "power boxing". Basically that meant using his speed or power to win without any real game plan.

Also Shane always tries to beat people at what they are good at. He became the puncher against Cotto. He had Miguel backing up the whole fight. Training with Naz and Bhop is going to change things. He will fight smart, not just overpowering or overwhelming.

I hate to say this, but Mosley will get easily outboxed. Shane's victory against Margo is still being overhype. Don't fall for that.

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Lyle i have already said in a previous post , that Shane will win and be the first to drop and hurt Mayweather.

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Floyd has already been hurt and dropped. He took a count vs Hernandez. He was floored by Judah but a count wasnt given. He was hurt by Corley and he was almost floored by Hatton in the 1st . Mosley is alot better than those guys.

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What you're saying is only partially true. He broke his hand in the Hernandez fight and that's why his glove touched the canvas. His glove also touched against Judah, which should have been ruled a KD in hindsight, but he wasn't badly hurt. Corley buzzed him a bit, but again it's not like he was in danger of being stopped. The only reason he stumbled against Hatton was because he was off-balance, Hatton never hurt him in that fight. IMO Mosley is in for a beating.

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Floyd hasn't given a top fighter in the same weight category a beating since Corrales, so I think that idea is just smoke...... Gatti was way way way past his best, and even his best wasn't that great. A slow and bloated Marquez caught PBF square on the nose, so based on that, with his speed and movement, so will Mosely, albeit not a huge land percentage i don't think. I'd say that this is the real test for me, chin..... If Mayweather can take a shot from Mosley, then he takes a tight decision over 12 I think.

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Originally Posted by djcione

just wondering why so many are rooting for Shane.

I still have hope that there will be the mega fight we all want to see between Floyd and Manny, and a loss by either of them would pretty much kill that fight.

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Actually might make it more likely to happen. Floyd fought Zab after Zab lost.

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Yeah i thought about that, but a defeat now by PBF takes some of the luster off the fight. Roach ( and vile Bob) are well aware of the problems MP faces style wise against PBF and a loss by Mayweather will take away the urgency to fight him.

New Poster and I find this thread very interesting. I will say this, Mosley v Mayweather should've been made a long time ago. But as it stands I'm excited the fight was made. A few points about the combatants:

Mayweather will have an advantage in both hand speed and defense. Mayweather is a very smart fighter and technically sound. He knows when to move, he rolls right hands well and has gotten better at standing in front of his opponent and trading while making them miss.

Mosley will have an advantage in power and we've seen Mosley in with bigger and more talented opponents. Realistically, this is not the same Shane Mosley of his prime fighting days. Fortunately for him, he's got a much better cornerman in Richardson than he ever enjoyed with his father Jack. This could lead to Mosley fighting a much smarter and more disciplined fight.

As far as the two guys most recent fights, I don't put much weight in what they've done against previous opponents. I will however say that Shane has clearly fought bigger, and better opposition than Floyd. IMO, even at his advanced age Shane is the best opponent Floyd has stepped in the ring against. I can't really say the same for Shane.

I will caution those that are basing how this fight will play out based on what these guys have done in their most recent fights to be careful. These guys are totally different fighters from each others most recent fights. Shane hasn't fought a guy like Floyd ever. And Floyd has never fought an equal talent of equal size ever.

The fight IMO will be won in the center of the ring. That in a nutshell is why Floyd should be favored. He is the younger, fresher fighter and he should be able to move and make Shane chase him. (Something no 38 year old fighter wants to do) But Shane has enough boxing saavy, stamina and will to do what it takes to beat Mayweather. This would be to use his jab and force Mayweather to trade. As I see it Mayweather likes to fight at a very slow pace. You generally won't see Mayweather throwing many more than 35 to 40 punches per round. And remember, this is against many fighters that are not naturally his size. This IMO gives Mosley a better matchup than he had with busy fighters like Wright, Forrest, etc. These guys were willing to use their jab, trade, and clinch, hold and frustrate the smaller man. In this fight, there is no size advantage they're essentially the same size and always have been. They've just been in different weight classes for other monetary reasons.

Like I said earlier, this fight should've taken place a long time ago but it is what it is. It was a better fight for both of these guys to determine their place in history than any fight currently on their resume. They were both Lightweights at their best and good enough to beat Welterweights of their era but they weren't really welters. Call it a hunch, but I've always had this sneaky suspicion that Shane was just too tough for Floyd. If Floyd boxes and befuddles Shane with speed and movement I wouldn't be shocked. But something in me tells me that Shane knows he can whip him. I guess we'll see.

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New Poster and I find this thread very interesting. I will say this, Mosley v Mayweather should've been made a long time ago. But as it stands I'm excited the fight was made. A few points about the combatants:

Mayweather will have an advantage in both hand speed and defense. Mayweather is a very smart fighter and technically sound. He knows when to move, he rolls right hands well and has gotten better at standing in front of his opponent and trading while making them miss.

Mosley will have an advantage in power and we've seen Mosley in with bigger and more talented opponents. Realistically, this is not the same Shane Mosley of his prime fighting days. Fortunately for him, he's got a much better cornerman in Richardson than he ever enjoyed with his father Jack. This could lead to Mosley fighting a much smarter and more disciplined fight.

As far as the two guys most recent fights, I don't put much weight in what they've done against previous opponents. I will however say that Shane has clearly fought bigger, and better opposition than Floyd. IMO, even at his advanced age Shane is the best opponent Floyd has stepped in the ring against. I can't really say the same for Shane.

I will caution those that are basing how this fight will play out based on what these guys have done in their most recent fights to be careful. These guys are totally different fighters from each others most recent fights. Shane hasn't fought a guy like Floyd ever. And Floyd has never fought an equal talent of equal size ever.

The fight IMO will be won in the center of the ring. That in a nutshell is why Floyd should be favored. He is the younger, fresher fighter and he should be able to move and make Shane chase him. (Something no 38 year old fighter wants to do) But Shane has enough boxing saavy, stamina and will to do what it takes to beat Mayweather. This would be to use his jab and force Mayweather to trade. As I see it Mayweather likes to fight at a very slow pace. You generally won't see Mayweather throwing many more than 35 to 40 punches per round. And remember, this is against many fighters that are not naturally his size. This IMO gives Mosley a better matchup than he had with busy fighters like Wright, Forrest, etc. These guys were willing to use their jab, trade, and clinch, hold and frustrate the smaller man. In this fight, there is no size advantage they're essentially the same size and always have been. They've just been in different weight classes for other monetary reasons.

Like I said earlier, this fight should've taken place a long time ago but it is what it is. It was a better fight for both of these guys to determine their place in history than any fight currently on their resume. They were both Lightweights at their best and good enough to beat Welterweights of their era but they weren't really welters. Call it a hunch, but I've always had this sneaky suspicion that Shane was just too tough for Floyd. If Floyd boxes and befuddles Shane with speed and movement I wouldn't be shocked. But something in me tells me that Shane knows he can whip him. I guess we'll see.

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Very good post. Welcome to the forum.

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I just know him inside out.

It must be just me ???

In his own unique way, he does things very much by 'the book'. Move-by-move... I can, quite literally, call his offensive as it unfolds
Read my post properly. I never once said 'that PBF is not a unique and exceptional talent'.

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The comment that you know PBF inside out suggest that he is quite ordinary, or you are quite unique. Unique implies one of a kind. How the hell can he be one of a kind when YOU can literally CALL his offensive as it unfolds. Are you then unique also? :rolleyes:

Further, there is something very oxymoronic about a unique fighter doing everything by the book. If he did everything by the book it would be easy to formulate a plan to beat him. Floyd Mayweather adapts his strategy in the ring according to what his opponent brings to the table.

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I just know him inside out.

It must be just me ???

In his own unique way, he does things very much by 'the book'. Move-by-move... I can, quite literally, call his offensive as it unfolds
Read my post properly. I never once said 'that PBF is not a unique and exceptional talent'.

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The comment that you know PBF inside out suggest that he is quite ordinary, or you are quite unique. Unique implies one of a kind. How the hell can he be one of a kind when YOU can literally CALL his offensive as it unfolds. Are you then unique also? :rolleyes:

Further, there is something very oxymoronic about a unique fighter doing everything by the book. If he did everything by the book it would be easy to formulate a plan to beat him. Floyd Mayweather adapts his strategy in the ring according to what his opponent brings to the table.

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I am unique, i am special :p

By his own, unique book Jason, by his own, unique book. Is it really that hard to understand?
And when did I use the term ordinary?! :D

Seriously though. I DO find Floyd Mayweather to be somewhat readable in offence. I totally accept that he is a great strategist in the sense that his plan of combat is always the correct in relation to the man in front of him one and that his dedication to his gameplan is absolutely unwavering. He is defensively astonishing and his reflexes are superhuman.

Have I just dug my self a great big whole..? ;D It would seem so!!

But the truth is I respect Floyd very much as a fighter.

One thing I can elaborate on ( :-\ ) is the side of Floyd that I find predictable or maybe regimented or readable or even maneuverable (Damn I wish I could find a better word!!) is that these days, about 90% of his offensive arsenal, that thing that keeps him from having to be defensive, he postures quite obviously (to me anyway) and indicatively.

His transition is so silky that it actually has the potential to work against him. You can see, without a punch being thrown, when he is on the defensive and when he is on attack. Why his opponents stand still like a deer in the headlights when Floyd postures to attack and why they then insist on trying to land when he goes into a shell is beyond me.

Step in when he postures, step off when he goes into a shell. Keep your shots straight, especially when he is against the ropes. Utilize an in-and-out movement.
Floyd is happy to put pressure on his opponents and essentially over ride this dynamic whenever an opponent show signs or has the potential of getting it right but that has to be made to work against him.

Jim, I'm just curious, have you ever boxed & if so to what level?

Old JSock or whatever his name is was right though, the 'I can read everything he does' comment was a bit of a :vd: one

Haha ;D Maybe i'm just too unique to be understood?

And no I have never even come close to lacing up a pair of gloves. Doesn't mean I can't see what is going on.

it's probably going to be a hell of a wait but i'll quite happily put my neck on the line and say that I guarantee, Sig Beat, with/to anyone, that the guy who beats Floyd, beats him doing the exact things I mentioned :cool:

See what you're saying, jimboogie, but the flaw in what you're saying might be that while you find Mayweather to seem somewhat predictable because you can recognize that he reuses tools from his arsenal throughout a fight, and from fight to fight ... the fact that you, as an observer, can recognize this is not the same as to say that he telegraphs his intentions to his opponent in the ring in such a way that he can be reliably countered in his game when he does something that he has done before, and will do again.

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See what you're saying, jimboogie, but the flaw in what you're saying might be that while you find Mayweather to seem somewhat predictable because you can recognize that he reuses tools from his arsenal throughout a fight, and from fight to fight ... the fact that you, as an observer, can recognize this is not the same as to say that he telegraphs his intentions to his opponent in the ring in such a way that he can be reliably countered in his game when he does something that he has done before, and will do again.

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I'm glad you mentioned this. You make an excellent point but what i'm really trying to highlight in all my points is when I see it as TRUELY the PERFECT times to attack. Not to counter but to attack.

Too many guys have had the complete wrong idea in timing there attacks based on proximity. They should be based on Floyd's movements. One example is that Floyd likes to hop/shuffle into position, once he stops, he's in position and basically your too late. Castillo did well to work off this theory but Floyd's Jab to the body totally eliminated that threat in their rematch. That jab to the body is a great weapon against any fighter who can't take a backward step.

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Haha ;D Maybe i'm just too unique to be understood?

And no I have never even come close to lacing up a pair of gloves. Doesn't mean I can't see what is going on.

it's probably going to be a hell of a wait but i'll quite happily put my neck on the line and say that I guarantee, Sig Beat, with/to anyone, that the guy who beats Floyd, beats him doing the exact things I mentioned :cool:

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I'm not trying to take the piss, but if you haven't boxed, you almost certainly see things being much easier than they are. It's very easy to be able to 'call' things from a couch, but when a guy is right in front of you doing all the little feints you can't see on TV, with the eyes and the slightest move of their hand, they look much more predictable then they are.

I mean really think about Jim, have you seen all these things that some of the best trainers and fighters of the past 15 years have been unable to spot?

I highly doubt there is anyone on this or any forum who can really come up with a solid method to beat Mayweather. He seems to find a way whatever the tactics. There have been a fair few fighters who've come in with a gameplan to disrupt him but after a few rounds he finds a way to deal with them (read Castillo, Judah, Oscar & Hatton).

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Shane Mosley WILL BEAT Floyd Mayweather Jr.

Shane's smart, he's strong, he has very quick hands, he's not killing himself to make weight, and Floyd can't hurt him.

I think Floyd has been apprehensive about fighting a couple guys at 147 and rightfully so in some cases: Cotto, Williams, Margarito, Shane Mosley, and Pacquiao. Now of course the Floyd fans will say Floyd has little left to prove and those fights didn't make sense etc etc but Floyd's record speaks for itself he never once said "Give me Cotto and I'll beat him" or "Give me Williams and I'll beat him" he simply waited until they lost and said "See, they weren't worthy of a shot vs me" and it doesn't make sense for Floyd not to fight when the money is to his liking. If he was truly "Money Mayweather" he would have fought at least 3 of those guys because you cannot tell me that ANY of those fights wouldn't have made HUGE money at the gate and on PPV.

Stylistically Floyd has very little to offer Shane, the guys who have beaten Shane either use their height and reach (Forrest & Wright) or are durable enough to trade with Shane and get the better of him (Miguel Cotto and to a lesser extent De la Hoya in the rematch was able to hang with him). Floyd has great defense but he isn't as effective until he gets a fighter to tire themself out, vs Judah and Hatton he allowed them to do work early and chase him around the ring while he pot shotted them for at least half the fight knowing especially that Zab would have 0 to offer him later in the fight and that's when Floyd turned it on....Shane doesn't have much in the defense department but he's strong and he's got fast DANGEROUS hands and he's going to beat Floyd.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Shane Mosley WILL BEAT Floyd Mayweather Jr.

Shane's smart, he's strong, he has very quick hands, he's not killing himself to make weight, and Floyd can't hurt him.

I think Floyd has been apprehensive about fighting a couple guys at 147 and rightfully so in some cases: Cotto, Williams, Margarito, Shane Mosley, and Pacquiao. Now of course the Floyd fans will say Floyd has little left to prove and those fights didn't make sense etc etc but Floyd's record speaks for itself he never once said "Give me Cotto and I'll beat him" or "Give me Williams and I'll beat him" he simply waited until they lost and said "See, they weren't worthy of a shot vs me" and it doesn't make sense for Floyd not to fight when the money is to his liking. If he was truly "Money Mayweather" he would have fought at least 3 of those guys because you cannot tell me that ANY of those fights wouldn't have made HUGE money at the gate and on PPV.

Stylistically Floyd has very little to offer Shane, the guys who have beaten Shane either use their height and reach (Forrest & Wright) or are durable enough to trade with Shane and get the better of him (Miguel Cotto and to a lesser extent De la Hoya in the rematch was able to hang with him). Floyd has great defense but he isn't as effective until he gets a fighter to tire themself out, vs Judah and Hatton he allowed them to do work early and chase him around the ring while he pot shotted them for at least half the fight knowing especially that Zab would have 0 to offer him later in the fight and that's when Floyd turned it on....Shane doesn't have much in the defense department but he's strong and he's got fast DANGEROUS hands and he's going to beat Floyd.

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Great prediction mate, I honestly don't know how you do it.

Thanks to this I sold all of my valuables, sold my house, let my girlfriend go out 'on the game' for a couple of nights and put all of the money on a Mosley win based on your obvious insight.

I'm buzzing to fuck that he won and I am hundreds of thousand pounds richer. ;D

Oh.




Hang on...




Shit.




I'm in DEEP trouble. :eek:

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In relevance to Floyd. I (as pretty much everyone else) know everything Floyd has to offer... Every little trick in the book has been seen. In theory, it should be easier to formulate AND execute a game plan against Floyd based on what Floyd does fight after fight after fight.

He's style is VERY regimented. (i hope that's the right word to use ??? )

Alas, many fighters have thought the same thing and none have them have been able to do anything about it. You make it sound like the way Floyd fights is simple and just about anybody should be able to break him down.

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I dunno. I don't mean to come across like I have no respect for Floyd as a fighter. I just know him inside out.

It must be just me ???

In his own unique way, he does things very much by 'the book'. Move-by-move... I can, quite literally, call his offensive as it unfolds.

Where he excels is in his reactions. That's his little superhuman trait that makes things so damn unbeatable.

So many fighters have fell in to the trap of getting him on the ropes, or getting close and then firing away with clubbing wide shots... I beg why?

Mosley, I hope, can put the emphasis on getting home with the right punches and not in just trying to beat the fight out of Floyd. That may come as a natural progression given Mosley's speed and power... Who knows..?

And yeah, i said 'i hope' ;D

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Dream on FHs. I don't mean that Mosely do not have a chance to beat Floyd. But to analyze this fight on a premise that PBF is not a unique and exceptional talent is ludicrous.

A well trained and in form PBF will beat anyone at 147 and under that is fighting today. Tomorrow, as age takes a toll of his reflexis and skill, that certainy wont be possible. But then it will be time defeating him rather than an opponent.

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That is why I like the internet. It allows us to revist the conclusions we formed, to examine them juxtapositioned with actual outcomes, and measure our capacity to analyze abilities based on our experiences. It was said in this thread that PBF style was regimented. This was not a sound analysis based on PBF interaction with Zab Judah, Diego Corrales and Castillo. Juxtapositioning PBF post 2nd round adjustments with that history and the assertion that his style was regimental says a lot about the analyctic ability of the person who made such a claim.:rolleyes:

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I highly doubt there is anyone on this or any forum who can really come up with a solid method to beat Mayweather. He seems to find a way whatever the tactics. There have been a fair few fighters who've come in with a gameplan to disrupt him but after a few rounds he finds a way to deal with them (read Castillo, Judah, Oscar & Hatton).

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That is where you are wrong.

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In relevance to Floyd. I (as pretty much everyone else) know everything Floyd has to offer... Every little trick in the book has been seen. In theory, it should be easier to formulate AND execute a game plan against Floyd based on what Floyd does fight after fight after fight.

He's style is VERY regimented. (i hope that's the right word to use ??? )

Alas, many fighters have thought the same thing and none have them have been able to do anything about it. You make it sound like the way Floyd fights is simple and just about anybody should be able to break him down.

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I dunno. I don't mean to come across like I have no respect for Floyd as a fighter. I just know him inside out.

It must be just me ???

In his own unique way, he does things very much by 'the book'. Move-by-move... I can, quite literally, call his offensive as it unfolds.

Where he excels is in his reactions. That's his little superhuman trait that makes things so damn unbeatable.

So many fighters have fell in to the trap of getting him on the ropes, or getting close and then firing away with clubbing wide shots... I beg why?

Mosley, I hope, can put the emphasis on getting home with the right punches and not in just trying to beat the fight out of Floyd. That may come as a natural progression given Mosley's speed and power... Who knows..?

And yeah, i said 'i hope' ;D

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Dream on FHs. I don't mean that Mosely do not have a chance to beat Floyd. But to analyze this fight on a premise that PBF is not a unique and exceptional talent is ludicrous.

A well trained and in form PBF will beat anyone at 147 and under that is fighting today. Tomorrow, as age takes a toll of his reflexis and skill, that certainy wont be possible. But then it will be time defeating him rather than an opponent.

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That is why I like the internet. It allows us to revist the conclusions we formed, to examine them juxtapositioned with actual outcomes, and measure our capacity to analyze abilities based on our experiences. It was said in this thread that PBF style was regimented. This was not a sound analysis based on PBF interaction with Zab Judah, Diego Corrales and Castillo. Juxtapositioning PBF post 2nd round adjustments with that history and the assertion that his style was regimental says a lot about the analyctic ability of the person who made such a claim.:rolleyes:

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Big fukin deal, we all get stuff wrong on occasions.
What bothers me worse is people who like to rub stuff in to try to make themselves appear better than others.When in fact we all know the truth about people who try to rise up in the eyes of a group at another persons expense,whoever they are (right or wrong).

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I just know him inside out.

It must be just me ???

In his own unique way, he does things very much by 'the book'. Move-by-move... I can, quite literally, call his offensive as it unfolds
Read my post properly. I never once said 'that PBF is not a unique and exceptional talent'.

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The comment that you know PBF inside out suggest that he is quite ordinary, or you are quite unique. Unique implies one of a kind. How the hell can he be one of a kind when YOU can literally CALL his offensive as it unfolds. Are you then unique also? :rolleyes:

Further, there is something very oxymoronic about a unique fighter doing everything by the book. If he did everything by the book it would be easy to formulate a plan to beat him. Floyd Mayweather adapts his strategy in the ring according to what his opponent brings to the table.

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I am unique, i am special :p

By his own, unique book Jason, by his own, unique book. Is it really that hard to understand?
And when did I use the term ordinary?! :D

Seriously though. I DO find Floyd Mayweather to be somewhat readable in offence. I totally accept that he is a great strategist in the sense that his plan of combat is always the correct in relation to the man in front of him one and that his dedication to his gameplan is absolutely unwavering. He is defensively astonishing and his reflexes are superhuman.

Have I just dug my self a great big whole..? ;D It would seem so!!

But the truth is I respect Floyd very much as a fighter.

One thing I can elaborate on ( :-\ ) is the side of Floyd that I find predictable or maybe regimented or readable or even maneuverable (Damn I wish I could find a better word!!) is that these days, about 90% of his offensive arsenal, that thing that keeps him from having to be defensive, he postures quite obviously (to me anyway) and indicatively.

His transition is so silky that it actually has the potential to work against him. You can see, without a punch being thrown, when he is on the defensive and when he is on attack. Why his opponents stand still like a deer in the headlights when Floyd postures to attack and why they then insist on trying to land when he goes into a shell is beyond me.

Step in when he postures, step off when he goes into a shell. Keep your shots straight, especially when he is against the ropes. Utilize an in-and-out movement.
Floyd is happy to put pressure on his opponents and essentially over ride this dynamic whenever an opponent show signs or has the potential of getting it right but that has to be made to work against him.

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I can't read him play by play, but there might be some truth to what you said about him being offensive and defensive i.e he has two stances - philly shell and more square on with both hands up, almost peekaboo. When in philly shell he's looking to counter punch with the right hand, and he'll also hit you with a left hook off a jab feint. When both hands are up and he is more square, he's looking to lead. Either way, he's doing the smart thing.

Your right though, attacking him when he's in philly shell mode seems a sucker move, and throwing a right hand at his shoulder roll is suicide.

Mosely tried i'll give him that. I've always thought i knew a way to beat mayweather but i've seen people try some of my ideas and they didn't work either. He's just so good at adjusting to whatever his opponet brings. There were tons that thought mosley could do it. I still belive any man can be beat it would be interesting to see how someone would do it.

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Mosely tried i'll give him that. I've always thought i knew a way to beat mayweather but i've seen people try some of my ideas and they didn't work either. He's just so good at adjusting to whatever his opponet brings. There were tons that thought mosley could do it. I still belive any man can be beat it would be interesting to see how someone would do it.

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I think that is why its hard to beat Mayweather. Because people have a style that they watch him against other people and go "He makes these mistakes, this mistake etc" But the thing about Mayweather's style is, he doesn't fight one way, he fights depending on what his opponent is bringing and what their gameplan is. He takes their gameplan and turns it on it's side, and thats why people don't know what to do because they didn't prepare for that. Mayweather's style alters depending on who he is fighting and what he is doing. So the way to find a formula would be having to prepare for what you are going to do in the ring against him depending on what he gives you and then preparing for what he will do to shut down what you are doing to him. But these are things you don't find out till fight night and by then it's too late. Hence why there is no real "formula".

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Dream on FHs. I don't mean that Mosely do not have a chance to beat Floyd. But to analyze this fight on a premise that PBF is not a unique and exceptional talent is ludicrous.

A well trained and in form PBF will beat anyone at 147 and under that is fighting today. Tomorrow, as age takes a toll of his reflexis and skill, that certainy wont be possible. But then it will be time defeating him rather than an opponent.

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That is why I like the internet. It allows us to revist the conclusions we formed, to examine them juxtapositioned with actual outcomes, and measure our capacity to analyze abilities based on our experiences. It was said in this thread that PBF style was regimented. This was not a sound analysis based on PBF interaction with Zab Judah, Diego Corrales and Castillo. Juxtapositioning PBF post 2nd round adjustments with that history and the assertion that his style was regimental says a lot about the analyctic ability of the person who made such a claim.:rolleyes:

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Big fukin deal, we all get stuff wrong on occasions.
What bothers me worse is people who like to rub stuff in to try to make themselves appear better than others.When in fact we all know the truth about people who try to rise up in the eyes of a group at another persons expense,whoever they are (right or wrong).

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Exactly. This forum would fucking suck if people stopped giving their reasonable predictions about how they think a fight will play out. There's no need to jump all over some one or to rub their prediction in their face just because they were wrong.

lol at the title of this thread in hindsight, its okay i have made my crazy predictions many times

naz rich is the original man

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Shane Mosley WILL BEAT Floyd Mayweather Jr.

Shane's smart, he's strong, he has very quick hands, he's not killing himself to make weight, and Floyd can't hurt him.

I think Floyd has been apprehensive about fighting a couple guys at 147 and rightfully so in some cases: Cotto, Williams, Margarito, Shane Mosley, and Pacquiao. Now of course the Floyd fans will say Floyd has little left to prove and those fights didn't make sense etc etc but Floyd's record speaks for itself he never once said "Give me Cotto and I'll beat him" or "Give me Williams and I'll beat him" he simply waited until they lost and said "See, they weren't worthy of a shot vs me" and it doesn't make sense for Floyd not to fight when the money is to his liking. If he was truly "Money Mayweather" he would have fought at least 3 of those guys because you cannot tell me that ANY of those fights wouldn't have made HUGE money at the gate and on PPV.

Stylistically Floyd has very little to offer Shane, the guys who have beaten Shane either use their height and reach (Forrest & Wright) or are durable enough to trade with Shane and get the better of him (Miguel Cotto and to a lesser extent De la Hoya in the rematch was able to hang with him). Floyd has great defense but he isn't as effective until he gets a fighter to tire themself out, vs Judah and Hatton he allowed them to do work early and chase him around the ring while he pot shotted them for at least half the fight knowing especially that Zab would have 0 to offer him later in the fight and that's when Floyd turned it on....Shane doesn't have much in the defense department but he's strong and he's got fast DANGEROUS hands and he's going to beat Floyd.

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Shane Mosley WILL BEAT Floyd Mayweather Jr.

Shane's smart, he's strong, he has very quick hands, he's not killing himself to make weight, and Floyd can't hurt him.

I think Floyd has been apprehensive about fighting a couple guys at 147 and rightfully so in some cases: Cotto, Williams, Margarito, Shane Mosley, and Pacquiao. Now of course the Floyd fans will say Floyd has little left to prove and those fights didn't make sense etc etc but Floyd's record speaks for itself he never once said "Give me Cotto and I'll beat him" or "Give me Williams and I'll beat him" he simply waited until they lost and said "See, they weren't worthy of a shot vs me" and it doesn't make sense for Floyd not to fight when the money is to his liking. If he was truly "Money Mayweather" he would have fought at least 3 of those guys because you cannot tell me that ANY of those fights wouldn't have made HUGE money at the gate and on PPV.

Stylistically Floyd has very little to offer Shane, the guys who have beaten Shane either use their height and reach (Forrest & Wright) or are durable enough to trade with Shane and get the better of him (Miguel Cotto and to a lesser extent De la Hoya in the rematch was able to hang with him). Floyd has great defense but he isn't as effective until he gets a fighter to tire themself out, vs Judah and Hatton he allowed them to do work early and chase him around the ring while he pot shotted them for at least half the fight knowing especially that Zab would have 0 to offer him later in the fight and that's when Floyd turned it on....Shane doesn't have much in the defense department but he's strong and he's got fast DANGEROUS hands and he's going to beat Floyd.

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Your silence is deafening. all the guys saying Shane is too big, too strong. What say you ? You too Dark Lord Al