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Are you calling me a hippy? If there is one thing I hate more than being called an anti-semite, it is being called a damn hippy. I hate hippies. I am far more anarchist than hippy.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
I suggest he play Risk...let's see how his Flower Power works out in that gameQuote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
weren't the original non native american inhabitants in the US just British exiles? better said a large group that left Britain to escape the tyranny of a monarchy
so ummm wouldn't that make it your fault?!? lol
For sure, I totally agree. But I wouldn't say it's MY fault! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
You can get a brand new copy for $20 USD, which I did at the local Best Buy. I think you'll probably love the political background of the story. America got nuked by China and now it's a desolate wasteland where you have to survive, choosing to help people or take advantage of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
I think that might well be my next purchase. But I do hope that you are not suggesting that I would like America to be obliterated by nuclear weapons. That couldn't be the furthest thing from my mind. I might be critical of how the country was founded and have a severe distaste for how the country is governed, but I sure wish for no harm to any of the general population.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogYou can get a brand new copy for $20 USD, which I did at the local Best Buy. I think you'll probably love the political background of the story. America got nuked by China and now it's a desolate wasteland where you have to survive, choosing to help people or take advantage of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
When you have people like Bilbo saying that I hate Israel and Lyle saying that I hate America, I really think that is a small minded way of approaching very serious issues. When people do bad things you have to point it out. It doesn't neccessarily mean I hate a country, but it certainly means that the leaders are commiting atrocities and need to ammend their ways. The general population should not aquiesce in support of such policies and to call those who criticise as 'haters' is simply a tool of avoidance.
It's because the ONLY bad things you ever point out are sins committed by Israel and America!Quote:
Originally Posted by milesI think that might well be my next purchase. But I do hope that you are not suggesting that I would like America to be obliterated by nuclear weapons. That couldn't be the furthest thing from my mind. I might be critical of how the country was founded and have a severe distaste for how the country is governed, but I sure wish for no harm to any of the general population.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogYou can get a brand new copy for $20 USD, which I did at the local Best Buy. I think you'll probably love the political background of the story. America got nuked by China and now it's a desolate wasteland where you have to survive, choosing to help people or take advantage of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
When you have people like Bilbo saying that I hate Israel and Lyle saying that I hate America, I really think that is a small minded way of approaching very serious issues. When people do bad things you have to point it out. It doesn't neccessarily mean I hate a country, but it certainly means that the leaders are commiting atrocities and need to ammend their ways. The general population should not aquiesce in support of such policies and to call those who criticise as 'haters' is simply a tool of avoidance.
You might say 'down the pub I talk about other stuff' but on this board you only choose to discuss the political sins of these two countries, so clearly they are the people who get your blood boiling, not China, North Korea, Iran etc.
When it comes to boxing talk as well your main interest of discussion is Amir Khan and after every fight you will seek a negative angle to take regarding his victory.
You clearly have agendas and personal biases.
I'm not saying I or others don't by the way. We all have 'subject fingerprints' so to speak, thread topics we are more likely to post in, people or nations we are more likely to discuss.
For example I readily admit I am a bit of a religious nut, a passionate supporter of the Jews, a believer in creationism and mocker evolution and atheistic humanism, in addition to being something of a sleaze with a fascination for pornography, dubious sexual practices and vulgarity.
An analysis of my posts over the years would support this.
You could take any main poster here and build a character profile on them based on their posts over a period of time, and no doubt Youngblood is an expert on this very matter and has written a thesis on this a couple of years ago. :p
Anyway, I've paused the new Predators film to respond in this thread and I want to get back to it. Blindingly good movie by the way!
For sure, I am a critic of both regimes and I have no qualms in saying that this is absolutely true. But like I have said, I have been very critical of England and Korea over the years too. I even started a thread about China and have no doubt contributed to numerous other threads started by others on a range of other countries and topics.
At the end of the day, Britain, Israel and America are closely aligned as the imperial colonialist operators in the world today and that is where my focus is most closely concentrated. Britain and America created Israel and that I am quite comfortable with Israels existence. I have no qualms with that, but we have a responsibility to ensure that this state follows international law and respects human rights and provides fair and equal opportunities for those living within the territories and Israel itself. I have an interest in the region and no doubt that spills over into my posting. I have only started about 2 threads about Israel and a couple on America. My ire is always aimed at the political elite and not the citizens of a country, so I struggle to see that as particularly hateful.
As for Amir Khan, for sure I'm not his biggest fan, but I don't hate him either. I was very angry about the Barrera result no doubt, but these days I just kind of play on the Khan hate thing. Go and look at recent Khan threads, I really don't see any vitriol there. Given time I come to accept a fighter for what they are. He is now fighting a puncher and that is good. If he wins I would like to see him step it up further. I don't regard that as particularly bitter or cynical. Every boxing fan wants to see a fighter try and better himself. I loathed Pac too, but quite like him now. Khan may very well do the same, but currently I am still rather lukewarm. If people do good things then I tend to treat with respect in turn. That goes for all things really, both people and states.
Anyway, I have jobs to apply for so I am out of here for a bit. Enjoy the film! ;)
#1. I don't think Moore necessarily hates the United States, if he did he would have left a long time ago. I think he probably see's himself as some kind of patriot to be honest.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong#1 Very true, but Michael Moore is a fat douchebag that hates AmericaQuote:
Originally Posted by CFHI'm not fan of Michael Moore, but I would argue that you can love something and still point out it's flaws if you're doing so in order to effect change.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongRush loves America...never heard him run it down like Moore does.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft...along with Rush Limbo.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
I'm just waiting for miles to play "The Sims" or better yet some old school game like "Zelda", "Q*Bert", "Super Mario Bros", or "Sonic The Hedgehog" so he can spew out more crap about elitists and the Jews.
I'm trying to find a way to connect Q-Bert to the Jews, but I'm failing miserably :mad:.
#2 I just listed random video games, hope that helps. Did you connect any of the other ones with the Jews? And it's not Q-Bert it's Q*bert.....there's a big fucking difference dude.
#2. I know you were just randomly listing video games, but I desperately wanted to make Q*bert out to be some kind of Zionist, but, again, I got nothing.
There were a multitude of reasons that people left Britain for the U.S., so I don't think it's accurate to describe them as 'exiles' fleeing a tyrannical monarch. It's true though that most of the people from Europe who went to the new world in the early days of colonization were from Britain though.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
That's true. I was a bit too flippant and hasty in my response to ET to bother making that point.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHThere were a multitude of reasons that people left Britain for the U.S., so I don't think it's accurate to describe them as 'exiles' fleeing a tyrannical monarch. It's true though that most of the people from European who went to the new world were from Britain though.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Talking to aliens now? That of course makes sense as you often sound like you are from another planet. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by milesThat's true. I was a bit too flippant and hasty in my response to ET to bother making that point.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHThere were a multitude of reasons that people left Britain for the U.S., so I don't think it's accurate to describe them as 'exiles' fleeing a tyrannical monarch. It's true though that most of the people from European who went to the new world were from Britain though.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Predators was a shocking film by the way you would have hated it. The heroine and the only person with a moral code was in the IDF, so clearly a propaganda piece. And the Predators are certainly meant to symbolise Palestinians, after all they both begin with P and end with S. They also used projectile weapons and attacked without warning.
It was pretty blatant really, the message they were trying to send. Finklestein would be outraged.:-\
#1. Michael Moore hates America of that I am sure, but he apparently likes Freedom of Speech and fast food, so where else can he go? He also loves the other people that hate America, Danny Glover, Sean Penn, etc etcQuote:
Originally Posted by CFH
#2. Q*bert steals land from Coily (the snake that bounces like a spring), Slick and Sam.....and the most damning evidence of all is Q*bert's nose [Note to Mods, I was only trying to help CFH see a connection and this is in jest, so I'll just leave it at that]
And yes miles I called you a fucking hippy because if you're so worried about the oppressed and if you don't want ANYONE to be oppressed and everyone to live peacefully together then that's what you are a dirty fucking hippy. If you're not that then you're just some nutjob socialist that doesn't like Q*bert!
To be honest, I don't like the aggressive tone of your language there, Lyle. "Fucking hippy"..."dirty fucking hippy"...."nutjob socialist"....
I don't use that kind of language or condescending tone with you so please don't do it with me. I attack political systems and use logic and reason to express my ideas. What you are doing here is resorting to base insults on a personal level and I don't think that is called for.
Even when we disagree, long time posters have a duty to adhere to a certain code of conduct. I could very easily stoop to that level and choose not to as well, but I don't. I ask you to do the same.
If you want to debate anything, then for sure let's do that, but let's not degenerate into plain filth or personal attacks on one another.
And now that the brush of 'fucking hippy' is on my mind, I will add a few thoughts. I am a human being who believes that other human beings have an obligation to treat other human beings with respect. That means power brokers have a responsibility to not abuse their power and to try and create a just society. To that extent I certainly believe in measures such as tax redistribution, free health care for all and the right to a decent education. Those kinds of thoughts are not radical and far from the values of some hippy with dreams of utopia (and I really hate pot too!). I also don't think it is above governments to act with some level of decency. This means America should not invade nations arbitrarily, Britain should do likewise and Israel shouldn't build settlements on occupied lands. These are not revolutionary pie in the sky values to have.
I mean seriously Lyle, do you not at least agree with the final points in bold above? Are they so hippy dippy?
I'm sorry miles, I think that is a problem with the inability to show tone on the internet....when I say "fucking hippy", "dirty fucking hippy", and "nutjob socialist" my disdain is more geared towards the actual group as opposed to a personal attack on you. So in other words I fucking hate hippies and socialists I certainly hope you're neither of those, but with your views on "imperialist elites" and "the oppressed" one can't help but wonder.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
#1 Everyone has a different view of a "just society" FACTQuote:
Originally Posted by miles
#2 "Free Health care"....free how? Free as in Doctors and Nurses are unpaid volunteers or "free" as in TAX PAYER FUNDED health care?
#3 Everyone in the US goes to school (or at least has the opportunity to) and everyone that pays property taxes (even those without kids in school or those with kids in Private Schools) pays for those schools to exist. But yet we're still on your shit list miles, why is that?
#4 I don't hate pot, but I do hate hippies.
No, that's alright then. I'm not one for the keyboard warrior stuff, so was just a bit irritated. Thanks for explaining what you meant.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongI'm sorry miles, I think that is a problem with the inability to show tone on the internet....when I say "fucking hippy", "dirty fucking hippy", and "nutjob socialist" my disdain is more geared towards the actual group as opposed to a personal attack on you. So in other words I fucking hate hippies and socialists I certainly hope you're neither of those, but with your views on "imperialist elites" and "the oppressed" one can't help but wonder.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
I think my definition of socialist is probably quite different from yours anyway. I do believe that society should be a system for drawing together rather than alienating, but I am no communist. I am no Friedman style capitalist either. I certainly don't believe in exploiting society and allowing the rich to get richer whilst the poor get poorer and lose job opportunities because jobs are lost overseas and services get cut left, right and centre.
I am in the middle of that, which is a position which respects the need for capitalism, but also sees the need for corporations to be reigned in by governments to support societal interests. That is difficult in this globalised age where home grown corporations relocate to sweatshops overseas and leave swathes of unemployment in previously prosperous cities, but that is where government does need to step in.
In that regard I see absolutely nothing wrong in taxing the upper echelons of society more in order to offer support to those who have been sold out by corporations who exist only for profit; especially considering that the rich have the largest stakes in those corporations.
I don't even regard that as a particularly socialist measure, I regard that as humanitarianism. A rich man being asked to give a small portion of his taxes over to help others gain a more equal footing in society is a reasonable thing to ask, more so if that company originally grew from the hard labour of those that have been dumped for cheap overseas workers.
Socialism is such a dirty word in the States, but it isn't elsewhere in the world. Socialism seems to be so strongly linked to communism there, which has no connection with reality. Many governments around the world are what you might term 'socialist', but in reality are 'social democracies'. The goverment is obliged to provide services such as health care, education, child support and so on. These aren't dirty terms, but are normal the world over. However, in the states you have everything being privatised in a frenzy of capitalist glut. New Oreans failed to recover in years because of this. The government simply absolved responsibility.
The same happened in Iraq too. And Argentina. And countless other countries where free scholarships were granted for students around the world to study at the Chigago school of economics and were then encouraged to go back to their home countries and be provided with US backing to overthrow democratically elected governments and cause serious problems with unemployment and cutbacks in public services whilst allowing US corporations to run riot and cash in on natural resources and the supply of overpriced and mediocre services.
Now that kind of capitalism I am not in favour of, that is an evil system. But like I say, I don't regard myself as a 'socialist' in the US media sense of the term. I do though believe in socialist democracy, which is the common rule of law in many countries the world over.
Psht we used to own that country.
1. Hmm. What is your definition of a just society? I have outlined a rough idea of mine in the previous post. There are no 'facts' in this so stop being immature.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong#1 Everyone has a different view of a "just society" FACTQuote:
Originally Posted by miles
#2 "Free Health care"....free how? Free as in Doctors and Nurses are unpaid volunteers or "free" as in TAX PAYER FUNDED health care?
#3 Everyone in the US goes to school (or at least has the opportunity to) and everyone that pays property taxes (even those without kids in school or those with kids in Private Schools) pays for those schools to exist. But yet we're still on your shit list miles, why is that?
#4 I don't hate pot, but I do hate hippies.
2. The British system which is applied in numerous other countries around the world. A progressive tax system which means the rich pay more and the poor pay less. Basically free at the point of use. I break my arm and go to hosptial then there is nobill incurred. Even the Korean system is very good. $60 paid by me and then $60 paid by my employer per month. More for those who earn more. Why do you Americans pay so much for a service that the rest of the world can get so much cheaper? Is it because you need an insurance broker as a go between? Why no public option? It's absurd.
3. On point number 3, I am now lost as to how you are relating to any of the points bolded above. ;D I see you have avoided them entirely.....
4. I am not so enamoured of either.
1. He could live virtually anywhere else in the Western world and be accorded many of the 'freedoms' found in America, though in many places I would image his taxes to be significantly higher. I really don't think he hates the States though, just like I don't think Penn or Glover (what did he do?) or any of those people hate the U.S. They just have ideas about what they feel is wrong about the country and about what needs to be done to repair it. I think they feel strongly about the idea of America, they're just not happy with it's current state.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong#1. Michael Moore hates America of that I am sure, but he apparently likes Freedom of Speech and fast food, so where else can he go? He also loves the other people that hate America, Danny Glover, Sean Penn, etc etcQuote:
Originally Posted by CFH
#2. Q*bert steals land from Coily (the snake that bounces like a spring), Slick and Sam.....and the most damning evidence of all is Q*bert's nose [Note to Mods, I was only trying to help CFH see a connection and this is in jest, so I'll just leave it at that]
And yes miles I called you a fucking hippy because if you're so worried about the oppressed and if you don't want ANYONE to be oppressed and everyone to live peacefully together then that's what you are a dirty fucking hippy. If you're not that then you're just some nutjob socialist that doesn't like Q*bert!
2. :rotflmao:
3. What's wrong with working to end or mitigate oppression? It'll probably never be eradicated, but I think working towards a more fair and equitable society is a noble thing.
4. Are you and I actually having a civil conversation about something like this?
This numbering system is fun
I just have one question Lyle: Like many Americans, you seem to dread the term "socialist" but in the US, the word is more than often misunderstood from what it really is, especially because a system x that works socially and for which you agree doesn't mean that you're a socialist. So, what exactly does it mean for you? I am asking because I get confused a bit by your argumentation and I would like to make sure about what you have in mind when you're complaining about these "damn socialists"Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongI'm sorry miles, I think that is a problem with the inability to show tone on the internet....when I say "fucking hippy", "dirty fucking hippy", and "nutjob socialist" my disdain is more geared towards the actual group as opposed to a personal attack on you. So in other words I fucking hate hippies and socialists I certainly hope you're neither of those, but with your views on "imperialist elites" and "the oppressed" one can't help but wonder.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Have we decided what your going to do about America yet?
I've written them an angry letter.
I've decided to follow that angry young chaps lead and send Obama very rude emails in the vain hope that I too can be given a lifetime ban from ever visiting America. I think America looks like a country with a lot of wonderful landscapes and an intriguing mix of people, but I would never make it through the airports. Maybe just better to protest via keyboard, get a ban and not bother going. Language all spoken in hearty jest, Lyle! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
I was reading Orwell's Down and out in Paris and London today and came across this description of Jews spoken by the character, Boris. Boris tells us 'I will tell you what Jews are like. Once, in the early months of the war, we were on the march, and we had halted at a village for the night. A horrible old Jew, with a red beard like Judas Iscariot, came sneaking up to my billet. I asked him what he wanted. "Your honour", he said, "I have brought a girl for you, a beautiful young girl only seventeen. It will only be fifty francs." "Thank you", I said "you can take her away again. I don't want to catch any diseases." "Diseases!" cried the Jew, "mais, monsieur le capitaine, there's no fear of that. It's my own daughter!". That is the Jewish national character for you.'
Now that's what you call an anti-semite. Even I was reading that thinking 'easy there, Boris, that's a bit much!'. We should always distinguish between criticism of a political system and the outright denigration of a race or particular group of people. There is absolutely nothing wrong with criticising political systems or individual people who do bad. However to take a bad experience with an individual and sum it up as a defect in an entire race of people is outright prejudice. Criticism of a state is just that though and is quite distinct.
Anyway, I am enjoying this book and though that little excerpt was quite apt for this thread.
Don't angry letters get you banned these days?
Ha, I'm no fan of Obama either so that's no big deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
You'd love America miles, it's a marvelous wonderful place, you should visit sometime.
Since this thread was inspired by a video game, you should really play Fallout 3 next. America got nuked by China when it declared war on that nation for trying to annex Alaska. You can smile in glee and secretly wish that was the outcome while looking at the radiated and destroyed landscape in the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesI've decided to follow that angry young chaps lead and send Obama very rude emails in the vain hope that I too can be given a lifetime ban from ever visiting America. I think America looks like a country with a lot of wonderful landscapes and an intriguing mix of people, but I would never make it through the airports. Maybe just better to protest via keyboard, get a ban and not bother going. Language all spoken in hearty jest, Lyle! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
I was reading Orwell's Down and out in Paris and London today and came across this description of Jews spoken by the character, Boris. Boris tells us 'I will tell you what Jews are like. Once, in the early months of the war, we were on the march, and we had halted at a village for the night. A horrible old Jew, with a red beard like Judas Iscariot, came sneaking up to my billet. I asked him what he wanted. "Your honour", he said, "I have brought a girl for you, a beautiful young girl only seventeen. It will only be fifty francs." "Thank you", I said "you can take her away again. I don't want to catch any diseases." "Diseases!" cried the Jew, "mais, monsieur le capitaine, there's no fear of that. It's my own daughter!". That is the Jewish national character for you.'
Now that's what you call an anti-semite. Even I was reading that thinking 'easy there, Boris, that's a bit much!'. We should always distinguish between criticism of a political system and the outright denigration of a race or particular group of people. There is absolutely nothing wrong with criticising political systems or individual people who do bad. However to take a bad experience with an individual and sum it up as a defect in an entire race of people is outright prejudice. Criticism of a state is just that though and is quite distinct.
Anyway, I am enjoying this book and though that little excerpt was quite apt for this thread.
Come on, doesn't the game look amazing?
http://www.curatormagazine.com/wp-co...1/fallout3.jpg
http://www.digitalbattle.com/wp-cont...7/fallout3.jpg
And the coup de grace is a burnt and ruined capital of America.
http://moreintelligentlife.com/files/Fallout.jpg
And as you're playing you can scream from the top of your lungs, "The fucking imperialist Yanks deserved it!"
;D
You know, I honestly think you are right. I am critical of Britain, but I still enjoy coming home. And likewise with America, it's not as if I have to go over there and duel with Obama at dawn or anything like that. A country is just that. With a country as large as America, it is almost like 50 countries within a single country anyway. Very diverse and heaps I would really like to see.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongHa, I'm no fan of Obama either so that's no big deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
You'd love America miles, it's a marvelous wonderful place, you should visit sometime.
I just hate airports and have heard a few bad things about American airports. Apparently they are pushy and in your face if you are foreign. Mind you I saw the same thing at Doha. An Indian looking chap in front of me was given a good going over, whilst I was allowed straight through. Surely that was a racist procedure. Why not check me too? After all I wasn't wearing a robe either.
LOL, stop with the "miles wants to destroy America" stuff. It makes me almost as queasy as Bilbo's anti-semite allegations. Honestly, it just isn't in me to hate an entire country or a race of people. Hating individuals is as far as I go and even then it isn't real hate. If I was asked to chop off Amir Khans head, I really would refuse. That's very different to supporting the other guy in a fight. :p;DQuote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogSince this thread was inspired by a video game, you should really play Fallout 3 next. America got nuked by China when it declared war on that nation for trying to annex Alaska. You can smile in glee and secretly wish that was the outcome while looking at the radiated and destroyed landscape in the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesI've decided to follow that angry young chaps lead and send Obama very rude emails in the vain hope that I too can be given a lifetime ban from ever visiting America. I think America looks like a country with a lot of wonderful landscapes and an intriguing mix of people, but I would never make it through the airports. Maybe just better to protest via keyboard, get a ban and not bother going. Language all spoken in hearty jest, Lyle! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
I was reading Orwell's Down and out in Paris and London today and came across this description of Jews spoken by the character, Boris. Boris tells us 'I will tell you what Jews are like. Once, in the early months of the war, we were on the march, and we had halted at a village for the night. A horrible old Jew, with a red beard like Judas Iscariot, came sneaking up to my billet. I asked him what he wanted. "Your honour", he said, "I have brought a girl for you, a beautiful young girl only seventeen. It will only be fifty francs." "Thank you", I said "you can take her away again. I don't want to catch any diseases." "Diseases!" cried the Jew, "mais, monsieur le capitaine, there's no fear of that. It's my own daughter!". That is the Jewish national character for you.'
Now that's what you call an anti-semite. Even I was reading that thinking 'easy there, Boris, that's a bit much!'. We should always distinguish between criticism of a political system and the outright denigration of a race or particular group of people. There is absolutely nothing wrong with criticising political systems or individual people who do bad. However to take a bad experience with an individual and sum it up as a defect in an entire race of people is outright prejudice. Criticism of a state is just that though and is quite distinct.
Anyway, I am enjoying this book and though that little excerpt was quite apt for this thread.
Come on, doesn't the game look amazing?
http://www.curatormagazine.com/wp-co...1/fallout3.jpg
http://www.digitalbattle.com/wp-cont...7/fallout3.jpg
And the coup de grace is a burnt and ruined capital of America.
http://moreintelligentlife.com/files/Fallout.jpg
And as you're playing you can scream from the top of your lungs, "The fucking imperialist Yanks deserved it!"
;D
But for sure, the game looks great and by all accounts got really good reviews. Probably the game I buy next.
Israel seeks talks as settler moratorium expires - Yahoo! News UK
There is no way to hide my disgust in this kind of news. See, my loathing has nothing to do with a race of people, but everything to do with the heartless aggression of a political elite.
Israel currently occupies 42% of the occupied lands. These settlements are ILLEGAL under the Geneva convention rules. They are in the process of expanding these settlements.
And all supported by an America which would have every President since WW2 tried for war crimes going by the standards of the Nuremburg trials.
Every action carried out by Israel is sanctioned by America. You don't give a country
$3bn a year for nothing.
That is US taxpayer money. When you have realistically speaking about 22% unemployment you just don't give that kind of money to Israel, but they do.
My biggest beef with this whole issue is the way Iran is being built up as the next big scapegoat in the war on terror. Iran sucks, they don't respect human rights....but neither does Israel. Let's all pretend that it is about nuclear weapons. Only one country has those in the region....:rolleyes: And which country denies land rights to 90% of all Palestinians and yet deems it okay to build settlements over occupied land? There is one rule for Israeli's on occupied land and another for Palestinians. One has luxury CCTV with military protection and the other digs through rubble.
So let's say you have a house and then 2 of the bedrooms are forcibly stolen by a different government, none of you would be happy with that. Yet that's what the Palestinians are told to make do with and accept that the bathroom tap goes to only Israeli's.
Iran doesn't have a big lobby as the jewish one in the US (one of the fiercest) and Israel has always been a strategic ally of the US for moons now as they help to make sure that the middle east runs as what they want, more or less. The americans, to this day, blocked around 150 motions against Israel (voted almost unanimously for most of them) at the U.N for their actions against Palestine, when the whole world sentence you for what you're doing and that every time your ass are saved by the US veto solely, it says a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles