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What ? Why the hell isn't this 12 rounds !?Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
Yeah the Haye camp protested to Mickey Vann and brought in a Puerto Rican ref that doesnt allow holding. He is as bad as Joe Cortez. Anytime Chisora gets close he will break the action. This and the 10 round distance both suit Haye to the ground. All he has to do is keep running and its in the bagQuote:
Originally Posted by smashup
Fucking Haye.
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Originally Posted by HulkWhat ? Why the hell isn't this 12 rounds !?Quote:
Originally Posted by GAMEYeah the Haye camp protested to Mickey Vann and brought in a Puerto Rican ref that doesnt allow holding. He is as bad as Joe Cortez. Anytime Chisora gets close he will break the action. This and the 10 round distance both suit Haye to the ground. All he has to do is keep running and its in the bagQuote:
Originally Posted by smashup
Fucking Haye.
There's no belt involved. Chisora better not start slow with plans to pick it up later, or there won't be a later. Hoping for a KO, preferably by Chisora.
True, but it still should be a 12 round main event. Or "12 round special attraction". Its a huge fight in the UK.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by HulkWhat ? Why the hell isn't this 12 rounds !?Quote:
Originally Posted by GAMEYeah the Haye camp protested to Mickey Vann and brought in a Puerto Rican ref that doesnt allow holding. He is as bad as Joe Cortez. Anytime Chisora gets close he will break the action. This and the 10 round distance both suit Haye to the ground. All he has to do is keep running and its in the bagQuote:
Originally Posted by smashup
Fucking Haye.
There's no belt involved. Chisora better not start slow with plans to pick it up later, or there won't be a later. Hoping for a KO, preferably by Chisora.
It was Hayes request so then bookies had to cancel bets and recalculate odds on the 12 round distance. Everything is going into Hayes favourQuote:
Originally Posted by HulkTrue, but it still should be a 12 round main event. Or "12 round special attraction". Its a huge fight in the UK.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by HulkWhat ? Why the hell isn't this 12 rounds !?Quote:
Originally Posted by GAMEYeah the Haye camp protested to Mickey Vann and brought in a Puerto Rican ref that doesnt allow holding. He is as bad as Joe Cortez. Anytime Chisora gets close he will break the action. This and the 10 round distance both suit Haye to the ground. All he has to do is keep running and its in the bagQuote:
Originally Posted by smashup
Fucking Haye.
There's no belt involved. Chisora better not start slow with plans to pick it up later, or there won't be a later. Hoping for a KO, preferably by Chisora.
10 rounds
Ref that wont allow inside fighting
Warren has said he will disown Chisora if he does anything crazy.
Chisora fighting with his own trainer
Chisora coming in heavier than usual.
Hope im wrong but I expect Haye to win a UD. Want Chisora to get lucky with one of his Frazier swings but he doesnt have any power in his shots.
It wasn't at Haye's request it was decided by the Governing bodies. Warren even said so himself. It's Bunce and co who have all turned on Haye and are talking shit. All they seem to show is Haye blowing out against Thompson about 500 years ago when he was a skinny little kid and Chisoras last round with Klitschko. They are putting shit loads into the fact that he won the last round against Vitali. Well it was an injured Vitali and Haye actually won his 12th round against Wlad but not once has that been mentioned.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAMEIt was Hayes request so then bookies had to cancel bets and recalculate odds on the 12 round distance. Everything is going into Hayes favourQuote:
Originally Posted by HulkTrue, but it still should be a 12 round main event. Or "12 round special attraction". Its a huge fight in the UK.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by HulkWhat ? Why the hell isn't this 12 rounds !?Quote:
Originally Posted by GAMEYeah the Haye camp protested to Mickey Vann and brought in a Puerto Rican ref that doesnt allow holding. He is as bad as Joe Cortez. Anytime Chisora gets close he will break the action. This and the 10 round distance both suit Haye to the ground. All he has to do is keep running and its in the bagQuote:
Originally Posted by smashup
Fucking Haye.
There's no belt involved. Chisora better not start slow with plans to pick it up later, or there won't be a later. Hoping for a KO, preferably by Chisora.
10 rounds
Ref that wont allow inside fighting
Warren has said he will disown Chisora if he does anything crazy.
Chisora fighting with his own trainer
Chisora coming in heavier than usual.
Hope im wrong but I expect Haye to win a UD. Want Chisora to get lucky with one of his Frazier swings but he doesnt have any power in his shots.
There are gonna be some sad faces on the Boxnation pundits sofa after tonight.
If I was in Haye's camp I wouldn't want Vann either:
1) He looks like a noodle, I don't care about Bruno/Lewis... How much younger was he then? Small AND old now.
2) he's Warrens mate: allows Hatton to wrestle his whole career... When Hatton splits from Warren he not only stops, but is cool with Carlos Maussa head butting a cut on Hattonand then repeatedly slicing it with the cuff of his glove.
Oddly the last time Vann ever reffed a Hatton fight :rolleyes:
3) warren wants joe calzaghe to fight an american for a belt. Clinton woods is fighting glen johnson for his ibf title. After giving woods a small, cold dressing room... guess who the ONLY judge to say that woods lost was? Mickey Vann.
So yeah, if I was fighting a Warren fighter I wouldn't Mickey Vann either.
Yeah Vann was rejected because he's allegedly Warren's man.
10 rounds was what they originally signed for because there was no title. It was weeks later that Warren got the WBA/WBO to add a couple of micky mouse international titles. Team Haye didn't request 10 rounds they just decided to stick with it.
It's something I've felt since the Hatton Maussa bout and the Woods one only confirmed it for me.
All I've read from Booth is that he doesn't want a 68 year old flyweight... Warren on the other hand feels the neec to defend Vann's impartiality abd why he refs so many Warren fights :rolleyes:
Funny that.
As I say, it's something I felt years back... I'm sure it's been talked about behind closed doors for years, never really heard it talked about openly till now.
@erics44, other than potentially David Price versus Tyson Fury, this must be your favorite possible boxing event. Two British heavyweights in front of 40,000 people. Am I correct? I haven't read the whole thread, but I assume you are pulling for David Haye. You think he makes it a boring fight like he did with Wlad and Valuev? Play it safe and use his legs?
Weaken chis with counters then attack when he's worn is the plan I reckon.
He won't play it safe to that degree he'' counter off the back foot like he did vs Ruiz and I expect similar fireworks early on to that night too. Not sure Del Boy has what it takes to get up from that first 1-2 Haye hit Ruiz with. 0.26 on the videoQuote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbFB7...feature=relmfu
And that was with very little sparring after BJ Flores cut him.
For the Haye fans out there, here is what Barney Francis, managing director of Sky Sports, told ESPN UK about The Haye Effect: “We have shelved pay-per-view boxing for the time being because of a couple of bad experiences we had….There was general dissatisfaction with the Haye v Harrison fight, and then the Haye v Klitschko fight, so we don’t think it’s a great time to ask the public for more investment into pay-per-view boxing.” From a great boxing blog here
Here's another great quote: "As for Haye, last July he performed with enough dog in him to make him an honorary member of the Westminster Kennel Club."
That's a misleading article.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
The PPV numbers for Haye's fights were massive (even though the spectacle was disappointing). Sky were also showing Khan and certain Frank Warren fighters as PPV. Haye retired after the Klitschko fight and Warren set-up his own TV station. Khan was refused PPV so moved to another tiny channel (then came back to regular Sky Sports). Sky announced they were dropping PPV at the exact same time all the PPV fighters left the channel. Coincidence?
Haye is fighting tonight in front of 30/40,000 ticket buyers and is on a subsricption (PPV) channel.
Whether or not people like Haye - to paint him as a failure when it comes to generating HUGE amounts of money is ridiculous.
For me Haye's biggest problem is the amount of money he is capable of generating. Barring Floyd and Pac I bet Haye has the highest wages for his last 5 fights in the sport. He's become a money first fighter to a degree, but I'm hoping to see a hungry fighter wanting to do damage tonight and I think that's what we will see.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterThat's a misleading article.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
The PPV numbers for Haye's fights were massive (even though the spectacle was disappointing). Sky were also showing Khan and certain Frank Warren fighters as PPV. Haye retired after the Klitschko fight and Warren set-up his own TV station. Khan was refused PPV so moved to another tiny channel (then came back to regular Sky Sports). Sky announced they were dropping PPV at the exact same time all the PPV fighters left the channel. Coincidence?
Haye is fighting tonight in front of 30/40,000 ticket buyers and is on a subsricption (PPV) channel.
Whether or not people like Haye - to paint him as a failure when it comes to generating HUGE amounts of money is ridiculous.
Well, if your point is that whether or not fans were disappointed with Haye's Wladimir and Audley performances is irrelevant to an extent because they still were willing to shell out money to see Chisora versus Haye, it's a fair point.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterThat's a misleading article.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
The PPV numbers for Haye's fights were massive (even though the spectacle was disappointing). Sky were also showing Khan and certain Frank Warren fighters as PPV. Haye retired after the Klitschko fight and Warren set-up his own TV station. Khan was refused PPV so moved to another tiny channel (then came back to regular Sky Sports). Sky announced they were dropping PPV at the exact same time all the PPV fighters left the channel. Coincidence?
Haye is fighting tonight in front of 30/40,000 ticket buyers and is on a subsricption (PPV) channel.
Whether or not people like Haye - to paint him as a failure when it comes to generating HUGE amounts of money is ridiculous.
However, the article wasn't pointing out that he hasn't been a financial success. The point of the article can be summed up in the last sentence of the first paragraph: "Barnum, “The Prince of Humbugs,” would no doubt have found his funny bone tickled vigorously week after week knowing that more than 30,000 fans shelled out millions of shekels to see a set-to between a journeyman heavyweight—Chisora—and a mouthy morning glory—Haye—whose last performance in the ring was universally condemned as a disgrace."
Let's hope so because he hasn't put on an exciting fight in a few years. Let's hope his animosity for Del Boy brings the dog out in him. With Chisora, you can make the argument, that average fighter he may be, but at least his scraps are entertaining.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyuFor me Haye's biggest problem is the amount of money he is capable of generating. Barring Floyd and Pac I bet Haye has the highest wages for his last 5 fights in the sport. He's become a money first fighter to a degree, but I'm hoping to see a hungry fighter wanting to do damage tonight and I think that's what we will see.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterThat's a misleading article.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
The PPV numbers for Haye's fights were massive (even though the spectacle was disappointing). Sky were also showing Khan and certain Frank Warren fighters as PPV. Haye retired after the Klitschko fight and Warren set-up his own TV station. Khan was refused PPV so moved to another tiny channel (then came back to regular Sky Sports). Sky announced they were dropping PPV at the exact same time all the PPV fighters left the channel. Coincidence?
Haye is fighting tonight in front of 30/40,000 ticket buyers and is on a subsricption (PPV) channel.
Whether or not people like Haye - to paint him as a failure when it comes to generating HUGE amounts of money is ridiculous.
Hey guys been absolutley ages since ive been on here hows is yall, ive been here there and everywhere with the marines recently, wondered if anyone could help by suggesting a good stream for the fights as i havent been able to sort out my sky subscrition also can anyone outline the likely start times for thefights tonight thanks in advance guys , hopefully be back here more regular now .
Haye was in snoozefests against Wlad and Valuev, and that was because of their size and the fact that both knew how to use that size, obviously Wlad was the better at it. As for the Harrison fight he said all the way upto the fight he was going to get rid of him when he felt like it and I think it's fairly obvious he'd had a good wedge on the 3rd.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratLet's hope so because he hasn't put on an exciting fight in a few years. Let's hope his animosity for Del Boy brings the dog out in him. With Chisora, you can make the argument, that average fighter he may be, but at least his scraps are entertaining.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyuFor me Haye's biggest problem is the amount of money he is capable of generating. Barring Floyd and Pac I bet Haye has the highest wages for his last 5 fights in the sport. He's become a money first fighter to a degree, but I'm hoping to see a hungry fighter wanting to do damage tonight and I think that's what we will see.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterThat's a misleading article.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
The PPV numbers for Haye's fights were massive (even though the spectacle was disappointing). Sky were also showing Khan and certain Frank Warren fighters as PPV. Haye retired after the Klitschko fight and Warren set-up his own TV station. Khan was refused PPV so moved to another tiny channel (then came back to regular Sky Sports). Sky announced they were dropping PPV at the exact same time all the PPV fighters left the channel. Coincidence?
Haye is fighting tonight in front of 30/40,000 ticket buyers and is on a subsricption (PPV) channel.
Whether or not people like Haye - to paint him as a failure when it comes to generating HUGE amounts of money is ridiculous.
Other than them 3 I've never seen a boring Haye fight!
That is very patronising, offensive and bascially an insult to everyone that watches the fight and every boxing fan in the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratWell, if your point is that whether or not fans were disappointed with Haye's Wladimir and Audley performances is irrelevant to an extent because they still were willing to shell out money to see Chisora versus Haye, it's a fair point.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterThat's a misleading article.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
The PPV numbers for Haye's fights were massive (even though the spectacle was disappointing). Sky were also showing Khan and certain Frank Warren fighters as PPV. Haye retired after the Klitschko fight and Warren set-up his own TV station. Khan was refused PPV so moved to another tiny channel (then came back to regular Sky Sports). Sky announced they were dropping PPV at the exact same time all the PPV fighters left the channel. Coincidence?
Haye is fighting tonight in front of 30/40,000 ticket buyers and is on a subsricption (PPV) channel.
Whether or not people like Haye - to paint him as a failure when it comes to generating HUGE amounts of money is ridiculous.
However, the article wasn't pointing out that he hasn't been a financial success. The point of the article can be summed up in the last sentence of the first paragraph: "Barnum, “The Prince of Humbugs,” would no doubt have found his funny bone tickled vigorously week after week knowing that more than 30,000 fans shelled out millions of shekels to see a set-to between a journeyman heavyweight—Chisora—and a mouthy morning glory—Haye—whose last performance in the ring was universally condemned as a disgrace."
He said - Anyone that watches this fight is a mug.
I can't see Haye losing this one. He'll either stetcher him early or pop shot, grab and run away to victory. Haye demanding it stay at 10 rounds is a cowards move but it's also a smart move for someone who's been out almost a year and has had stamina problems before
What a badly constructed argument. If Chisora is nothing more than "a journeyman heavyweight" and Haye " a mouthy morning glory" then what is the problem with them fighting each other? If the writer pulled his head out of his arse for two minutes then the blinding light of day would perhaps enlighten him on the vapidity of his Barnum analogy. Boxing,entertainment,and the circus,were inextricably intertwined at birth and if the idea of such a fight being enjoyed in a country miles away from his own is so offensive to him then surely it is not too difficult to avoid. If it is so irrelevant then why mention it?Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratWell, if your point is that whether or not fans were disappointed with Haye's Wladimir and Audley performances is irrelevant to an extent because they still were willing to shell out money to see Chisora versus Haye, it's a fair point.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterThat's a misleading article.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
The PPV numbers for Haye's fights were massive (even though the spectacle was disappointing). Sky were also showing Khan and certain Frank Warren fighters as PPV. Haye retired after the Klitschko fight and Warren set-up his own TV station. Khan was refused PPV so moved to another tiny channel (then came back to regular Sky Sports). Sky announced they were dropping PPV at the exact same time all the PPV fighters left the channel. Coincidence?
Haye is fighting tonight in front of 30/40,000 ticket buyers and is on a subsricption (PPV) channel.
Whether or not people like Haye - to paint him as a failure when it comes to generating HUGE amounts of money is ridiculous.
However, the article wasn't pointing out that he hasn't been a financial success. The point of the article can be summed up in the last sentence of the first paragraph: "Barnum, “The Prince of Humbugs,” would no doubt have found his funny bone tickled vigorously week after week knowing that more than 30,000 fans shelled out millions of shekels to see a set-to between a journeyman heavyweight—Chisora—and a mouthy morning glory—Haye—whose last performance in the ring was universally condemned as a disgrace."
Haye may be able to box
But Chisora can FIGHT
If the boxer is good enough, then the fighter never wins. See Mayweather's resume for any debate on that.Quote:
Originally Posted by boyla
well saidQuote:
Originally Posted by superheavyrhunIf the boxer is good enough, then the fighter never wins. See Mayweather's resume for any debate on that.Quote:
Originally Posted by boyla
Pulling for Chisora, which prob means Haye sparks him in 3 ;D Good fight either way!
Stretched him early. Just like you said . Good prediction.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
I had to.fucking read this.on a.shit rbr webcast. I went down to the bar and they told me .....sorry we can't show boxing as it promotes violence? This coming from a nation that beheads people.and stones women..... Well I got this well.wrong seems Haye did a.well.with a deadly finish....and he's always been a good finisher Haye. Let's just hope he has a real.go at vitali and keeps his toe in shape. Judging on Del Boys vitali fight I thought hed do.way better.
you judged a guy on losing fights , chisora is garbage and lost to a pikey ,Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
FACT
The problem with judging a guy on a fight against a Klitschko is that VK is a guy who favours defence above all else. He wins fights by not letting punches through, and scoring shots and KOs while maintaining that defence. If you have a decent chin and are willing to swing a bit, then you will probably look good losing a wide decision against him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Alyou judged a guy on losing fights , chisora is garbage and lost to a pikey ,Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
FACT
told u so
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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Alyou judged a guy on losing fights , chisora is garbage and lost to a pikey ,Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
FACT
We all.make mistakes.....ask your parents...;-).
that is over stepping the mark , never bring my parents into it. neverQuote:
Originally Posted by smashupQuote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Alyou judged a guy on losing fights , chisora is garbage and lost to a pikey ,Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
FACT
We all.make mistakes.....ask your parents...;-).
Just when it was getting interesting, Haye's legs were shaky but the finish was brilliant.
Good call @ross. You were 100% right.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
You told us 10,000 times that - Haye is shit. No chin. No stamina. No heart. Overrated power. Fragomeni. Lolenga mock.
Chisora will win easy. Fact.
;D
Yep I was wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterGood call @ross. You were 100% right.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
You told us 10,000 times that - Haye is shit. No chin. No stamina. No heart. Overrated power. Fragomeni. Lolenga mock.
Chisora will win easy. Fact.
;D
I overestomated Chisoras ability but still believe that Haye wouldnt last the distance had he had to fight the 10 rounds. Against Vitali, Chisora didnt dare open up like he did against Haye and he got silly. I rate this a better win for Haye than any other hes had at heavy though and just feel dissapointed with Chisora as had he not been so open to get caught in those dying seconds, Haye was breathing out his ass.
I think we both figured Chisora would come in shape and push the pace like he did against Helenius and Vitali. Instead he came in heavy and looked solid but he was huffin and puffin himself and wasn't the volume puncher we expected. He was letting Haye fight his fight and only in the 3rd and fourth did Chisora crank it up a bit, but was still being outworked by Haye. Chisora squared up like a dummy, threw slop and got countered by David.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossYep I was wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterGood call @ross . You were 100% right.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
You told us 10,000 times that - Haye is shit. No chin. No stamina. No heart. Overrated power. Fragomeni. Lolenga mock.
Chisora will win easy. Fact.
;D
I overestomated Chisoras ability but still believe that Haye wouldnt last the distance had he had to fight the 10 rounds. Against Vitali, Chisora didnt dare open up like he did against Haye and he got silly. I rate this a better win for Haye than any other hes had at heavy though and just feel dissapointed with Chisora as had he not been so open to get caught in those dying seconds, Haye was breathing out his ass.
Yeah that's about right,
Chisora lost because of his mistakes it had nothing to do with Haye's ability ;D
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Originally Posted by Fenster
Ah yes... Chisora. The fourth in a unique list of victims for Haye:
And in between, he found time to run and cower from Wlad for 12 rounds.
- Circus act freak
- Worst HW "champion" in history
- Fraudley
- Journeyman
Astounding resume!! Vitali must be chomping at the bit.
:rolleyes:
Those arm punches looked horrible coming from a professional boxer in this caliber of fight. But, then again, Harrison.
That four punch combo that Haye threw was beautiful.
thats not really true, chisoras hands were down a lot against vitali, his defence was arguably worseQuote:
Originally Posted by rossYep I was wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterGood call @ross . You were 100% right.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
You told us 10,000 times that - Haye is shit. No chin. No stamina. No heart. Overrated power. Fragomeni. Lolenga mock.
Chisora will win easy. Fact.
;D
I overestomated Chisoras ability but still believe that Haye wouldnt last the distance had he had to fight the 10 rounds. Against Vitali, Chisora didnt dare open up like he did against Haye and he got silly. I rate this a better win for Haye than any other hes had at heavy though and just feel dissapointed with Chisora as had he not been so open to get caught in those dying seconds, Haye was breathing out his ass.
one thing that was shown this weekend is that vitali v haye would be very interesting
but were not gonna see it and it seems like it's vitali who doesnt want it, which is understandable as he is about to retire and after the carear he has had he deserves to go out on a high
why take such a dangerous fight in your last fight