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Haye would probably make more money fighting a nobody than Fury will fighting anyone, and if either Klitschko decide they want to fight one of them it could be made regardless of rankings or merits, just look at their last couple of opponents. The only cards Tyson holds which Haye doesn't are the ones making up his house.Quote:
Originally Posted by boyla
Well I didn't wana say he's running from pulev as I thought he's taking the big money fight but if he don't fight haye he's running from pulev and haye.
80:20 is a joke offer and Fury needs to be called out on it forever more. What an absolute idiot he is. 50: 50 was more than fair. I cannot stand Haye, but he has been a two weight champion and done far more than Fury and on that basis Haye was being unusually generous. To stand there and say 'I'm where it's at, 80:20 or nothing' is absurd talk. Only an idiot would be gloating like that on Twitter as though he thinks it is all good. He has destroyed what paltry reputation he already had.
I can't figure Tyson out here. This will be a huge payday for him, yet he's priced himself out the market with this 80/20 nonsense. Some half decent heavyweight will come along shortly and knock him out. He's a pretty poor fighter from what I've seen.
Even if he gets beat by Haye (and I think he would), he will make more money than he would for his next 10 fights against poor handpicked opponents.
Unless he's scared of making a complete fool of himself?
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Originally Posted by irons
I think we can safely rule that out.
I meant inside the ring with Haye. Or do you mean he's done that already?Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingQuote:
Originally Posted by irons
I think we can safely rule that out.
You really beilieve that? He is having a laugh, if that was a henuine offer would you really make it public?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Some recent shit from him on twitter...
It must be terrible for a chinny fat useless slow non punching no hearted heavyweight getting all the hype & all the hate! 21/0/15baby
Can't believe team haye outed me on twitter not very professional of u guys now where do I go from hear! I can't blah any more
I can't buy the caravan I want with only 50% peeps come b fair
Just getting ready to go do pads on beach while dreaming about caravans & dogs!
;D
Tyson Fury’s trainer fires back at David Haye’s Twitter rant | The Sun |Sport|Boxing
Did you really say that ?Quote:
Originally Posted by rossYou really beilieve that? He is having a laugh, if that was a henuine offer would you really make it public?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Some recent shit from him on twitter...
It must be terrible for a chinny fat useless slow non punching no hearted heavyweight getting all the hype & all the hate! 21/0/15baby
Can't believe team haye outed me on twitter not very professional of u guys now where do I go from hear! I can't blah any more
I can't buy the caravan I want with only 50% peeps come b fair
Just getting ready to go do pads on beach while dreaming about caravans & dogs!
;D
Tyson Fury’s trainer fires back at David Haye’s Twitter rant | The Sun |Sport|Boxing
also you read the sun , well need we say anymore.
I didnt type any of that, its copied and pasted from his twitter page;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlDid you really say that ?Quote:
Originally Posted by rossYou really beilieve that? He is having a laugh, if that was a henuine offer would you really make it public?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Some recent shit from him on twitter...
It must be terrible for a chinny fat useless slow non punching no hearted heavyweight getting all the hype & all the hate! 21/0/15baby
Can't believe team haye outed me on twitter not very professional of u guys now where do I go from hear! I can't blah any more
I can't buy the caravan I want with only 50% peeps come b fair
Just getting ready to go do pads on beach while dreaming about caravans & dogs!
;D
Tyson Fury’s trainer fires back at David Haye’s Twitter rant | The Sun |Sport|Boxing
also you read the sun , well need we say anymore.
I dont even buy the sun let alone read it. I don't give two fucks what goes in there. I buy our local press, anything else I want to know is on the internet. That was found just searching Furys name on google news, amazing thing the internet;)
Fury actually posts that kind of stuff on Twitter? He's much more stupid than I ever realised and what's even sadder is that people actually take the time to follow it. The man makes Amir Khan seem like Noam Chomsky.
People in here are taking it all in and believing it. He's fucking around and taking the piss out of himself as much as anything else. He doesn't take himself seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
If Fury's stupidity is just an act then he is the greatest actor of this or any other generation. That is some seriously committed method acting.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossPeople in here are taking it all in and believing it. He's fucking around and taking the piss out of himself as much as anything else. He doesn't take himself seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Dunno, last I saw of Fury all I remember is fury getting dropped hard by a cruiserweight just looking for a pay day.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossSince Haye embarrased himself against Klitschko, Fury has done alot more than Haye who has fought one solitary fight against someone Tyson fought when they were undefeated.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Tyson has fought 6 times since Haye fell over against Wladamir and he has beaten 2 top ten heavies. Fury has done a hell of alot more than Haye. Haye is now i sgnificant on the world scene. Some naive people are still calling hs name as the man to beat the Klitschkos. Do you all forget how crap he was when given his chance? His boat has sailed amd hes not a big draw. His fight against Char was called off because of poor ticket sales. Fury is drawing a crowd against anyone and all over the media when he fights.
I didn't know we had to discount all of an athlete's prior achievements and performances after a bad one, cheers for clearing that up.
You seem to let a fighter's personality skewer your view of things, you revently did it with Carl Froch because you think he's a dick and you're doing it with David Haye, because you think he's a dick too.
Whether he's a dick or not doesn't change the fact that he is on another level to Fury.
I think Froch is a dick but its undeniable hes fought better names than Haye has. Haye gets my goat because he talks a good game but hasnt really done a great deal. Hes had 27 or 28 fights but been a pro for 11 years. The fights he had before Wlad, even including the cruiser fights, people in here have already pointed out the best, most dangerous fighter he has beaten is Valuev... Who most felt lost to 47 year old Holyfield;DQuote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBDunno, last I saw of Fury all I remember is fury getting dropped hard by a cruiserweight just looking for a pay day.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossSince Haye embarrased himself against Klitschko, Fury has done alot more than Haye who has fought one solitary fight against someone Tyson fought when they were undefeated.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Tyson has fought 6 times since Haye fell over against Wladamir and he has beaten 2 top ten heavies. Fury has done a hell of alot more than Haye. Haye is now i sgnificant on the world scene. Some naive people are still calling hs name as the man to beat the Klitschkos. Do you all forget how crap he was when given his chance? His boat has sailed amd hes not a big draw. His fight against Char was called off because of poor ticket sales. Fury is drawing a crowd against anyone and all over the media when he fights.
I didn't know we had to discount all of an athlete's prior achievements and performances after a bad one, cheers for clearing that up.
You seem to let a fighter's personality skewer your view of things, you revently did it with Carl Froch because you think he's a dick and you're doing it with David Haye, because you think he's a dick too.
Whether he's a dick or not doesn't change the fact that he is on another level to Fury.
There have been plenty of opportunities for Haye to fight genuine contenders to deserve a shot at the title, like Adamek, Arreola, Johnson, Thomson, Solis etc. He has and is constantly is trying the easiest route to a big title shot and its a business and I cant blame him for that but its the attitude that he has done something special along the way that irritates me. Yeah Fury can be dopey and a helmet but he is fighting consistantly and trying to fight ranked fighters. Even Cunningham admitted in the lead up that he was the only fighter who wanted Fury because everyone else doesnt want to face his size and his awkwardness.
He isnt going down the Harrison route like Haye and Price. He fought Chisora when Chisora mattered, even Wlad wanted Chisora as an opponent back then but he pulled out and Fury offered him a fight.
Fury makes me laugh with his ridiculousness, Haye sounds similar but there is a constant undertone of arrogance with Haye, whereas Fury will go on the internet for the whole world to see and take the piss out of himself and his traveler roots wanting to buy caravans and dogs and how its a shame, hes a fat, out of shape, chinny, light punching fighter etc.
I'm thinking that Chisora probably mattered more after giving Vitali one of his toughest fights since Lennox Lewis than when he showed up unconditioned and uninterested against Fury... ;)
Fury is highly amusing, I will give you that.
So being Undisputed Cruiserweight World Champion and winning a World Heavyweight Title amout to "not doing much", but Tyson Fury has lit the Heavyweight division up? Get a grip, the man hasn't fought a live body other than Cunningham and Chisora. If you could see through the bullshit, you'd see that Hennessy is making him avoid punchers because they are fully aware he has no chin and will get sparked. Both John Ruiz & Nikolai Valuev are both more accomplished fighters than anyone Tyson Fury has faced. You also criticised his Cruiserweight opponents, but at the time, Maccarinelli was a long time Champion and the British public begged him to take that fight, and Mormeck was the consensus #1 in the division when Haye flattened him.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Haye talks a good game. You say he goes for the easiest route but I disagree. He goes for the most financially viable route which is what any of us would do. Haye is in it for the money, not for the love of the sport but if you can get past this idea you'd see he is undeniably one of the most skilled Heavyweight fighters around.
You're right, Tyson takes the best challenges at his doorstep. Like for example, when hard punching David Price was his mandatory, he gave up his belts to fight sure fire hall of famer, the world class 40 year old Martin Rogan.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Tyson also recently stepped aside from the dangerous Pulev. If he doesn't get the Haye fight, he recently mentioned top class fighter Fres Oquendo as a possible opponent.
Chisora was not in shape for that fight and couldn't have made it easier for Tyson. Saying Chisora didn't matter when Haye fought him is utter bullshit. Chisora gave Vitali a tough fight and took him 12. He also proved he was iron chinned, not budging from Fury, Helenius or Vitali's punches and yet Haye brutally finished him.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Haye is what he is. He learnt a long time ago that if you chat shit, it sells. The reason he wants to fight Fury is he knows he has found another motormouth who can help him make a boat load of money. The reason he was going to fight Charr is because Charr started copying his tactics. He fought Harrison because Sky offered him a boatload of money and sold the fight for him. It is all about smart business decisions and to be fair, it has made him a rich man. Fury is the one who chatters on about everyone without actually proving anything.
Tyson Fury took on Chisora, he cannot be blamed if Del Boy comes in unconditioned. Fury signed up to fight an undefeated and dangerous fighter at the time.
Exactly,the most skilled heavy in the world fights someone Fury beat as a 14 fight novice. Fair play, thousands turned up and paid for it but it meant nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
He can't be blamed for Chisora's lack of motivation, but he can't be given as much credit as ge would get for beating a fully motivated Chisora either...Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Fuck me this is funny - Novice Chisora was more dangerous/bigtime in his 15th fight because he was undefeated?
He didn't improve with experience (which is the norm), or enhance his reputation against Vitali and Helinus (apart from the fact he learnt to actually train), because he'd already been ruined by Fury.
(what a pair of plums ;D)
Apparently not if we go off gate numbers and revenue, which is all that matters when it comes down to splitting purses between the two.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossExactly,the most skilled heavy in the world fights someone Fury beat as a 14 fight novice. Fair play, thousands turned up and paid for it but it meant nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Fury fought someone that wlad pulled out against, a fighter who had been in months of training to fight the best heavy in the world after the fight was postponed. Haye fought someone Fury beat;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Haye is better than Fury,Quote:
Originally Posted by rossFury fought someone that wlad pulled out against, a fighter who had been in months of training to fight the best heavy in the world after the fight was postponed. Haye fought someone Fury beat;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Deal with it!
He could well be until they fight, no one knows but to whoever it was that asked what has Fury done to deserve a title shot, has Haye done any more since his last shot? No, I dont think so.
Pulev would have been an excellent fight and a dangerous one. He's not a massive puncher but he's sharp and moves well. In fact Haye and Fury is the biggest winnable fight out there for either.
Don't dismiss Fury strength and awkwardness because Chisora was bullying Haye and making him stumble and Chisora is no bigger a puncher than Fury and Fury wont have to be as close to land his shots.
He has sell powers and like it or not that gets you title shots!Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
The fact is that more people would rather watch Haye than fury.
The additional fact that Hayes the much better fighter is just a bonus for him and British boxing, because if fury was our best HW we would be fucked.
You clearly are clueless if you think that. Price was mandatory for the British title, Fury decides to vacate. He was lined to fight Pulev and pulled out. Then he was lined to fight Haye a pulled out. Guess hes holding out for another fight with Rogan for the world renowned Irish Title. I hate to tell you ross but you have had the wool pulled over your eyes.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Just to be clear I also dont rate Haye. I dont think he has done anything impressive and dont think hell win a world title again. I also cant stand the prick like you becuae the way he thinks he has done something great at heavyweight. The fact is he was lucky to get to Valuev first before any genuine heavyweight fighter did. But it still doesnt change the fact he is much more impressive then Fury.
For now. Im still giving Fury the benefit of the doubt. At the same point in Hayes career, Haye had been stopped by Thompson and nearly got stopped by Lolenga Mock who was a super middleweight! So far Fury has got as far as fighting ex world title challengers and world ranked fighters and he hasn't been stopped, so, so far, he is doing better than Haye.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeYou clearly are clueless if you think that. Price was mandatory for the British title, Fury decides to vacate. He was lined to fight Pulev and pulled out. Then he was lined to fight Haye a pulled out. Guess hes holding out for another fight with Rogan for the world renowned Irish Title. I hate to tell you ross but you have had the wool pulled over your eyes.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Just to be clear I also dont rate Haye. I dont think he has done anything impressive and dont think hell win a world title again. I also cant stand the prick like you becuae the way he thinks he has done something great at heavyweight. The fact is he was lucky to get to Valuev first before any genuine heavyweight fighter did. But it still doesnt change the fact he is much more impressive then Fury.
Haye fought for his first world title against Mormeck after 5 years as a pro and Fury has another 8 months before hes at the same point.
That means nothing. So fucking what. In 8 months if Fury fights for a world title it will be against a Klit (after Wlad beats Povetkin) and loses. Does that convince you Haye is better because Haye won his 1st world title shot and Fury loses his? Your logic is retarded and is based on ifs. Out logic is based on what we see. Fury being heavily rocked against a feather fisted cruiser weight. Being floored by an absolute bum in Pajkic. Struggling big time against John McDermott. Dont get me wrong Fury has come on leaps and bounds but he is nothing special at all and gets iced the first time he gets in a ring with a puncher with the tools to land. I was hoping it would be Haye but looking unlikely now because Fury is running scared.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossFor now. Im still giving Fury the benefit of the doubt. At the same point in Hayes career, Haye had been stopped by Thompson and nearly got stopped by Lolenga Mock who was a super middleweight! So far Fury has got as far as fighting ex world title challengers and world ranked fighters and he hasn't been stopped, so, so far, he is doing better than Haye.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeYou clearly are clueless if you think that. Price was mandatory for the British title, Fury decides to vacate. He was lined to fight Pulev and pulled out. Then he was lined to fight Haye a pulled out. Guess hes holding out for another fight with Rogan for the world renowned Irish Title. I hate to tell you ross but you have had the wool pulled over your eyes.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Just to be clear I also dont rate Haye. I dont think he has done anything impressive and dont think hell win a world title again. I also cant stand the prick like you becuae the way he thinks he has done something great at heavyweight. The fact is he was lucky to get to Valuev first before any genuine heavyweight fighter did. But it still doesnt change the fact he is much more impressive then Fury.
Haye fought for his first world title against Mormeck after 5 years as a pro and Fury has another 8 months before hes at the same point.
Fury will not win a world title. Period!Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeThat means nothing. So fucking what. In 8 months if Fury fights for a world title it will be against a Klit (after Wlad beats Povetkin) and loses. Does that convince you Haye is better because Haye won his 1st world title shot and Fury loses his? Your logic is retarded and is based on ifs. Out logic is based on what we see. Fury being heavily rocked against a feather fisted cruiser weight. Being floored by an absolute bum in Pajkic. Struggling big time against John McDermott. Dont get me wrong Fury has come on leaps and bounds but he is nothing special at all and gets iced the first time he gets in a ring with a puncher with the tools to land. I was hoping it would be Haye but looking unlikely now because Fury is running scared.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossFor now. Im still giving Fury the benefit of the doubt. At the same point in Hayes career, Haye had been stopped by Thompson and nearly got stopped by Lolenga Mock who was a super middleweight! So far Fury has got as far as fighting ex world title challengers and world ranked fighters and he hasn't been stopped, so, so far, he is doing better than Haye.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeYou clearly are clueless if you think that. Price was mandatory for the British title, Fury decides to vacate. He was lined to fight Pulev and pulled out. Then he was lined to fight Haye a pulled out. Guess hes holding out for another fight with Rogan for the world renowned Irish Title. I hate to tell you ross but you have had the wool pulled over your eyes.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Just to be clear I also dont rate Haye. I dont think he has done anything impressive and dont think hell win a world title again. I also cant stand the prick like you becuae the way he thinks he has done something great at heavyweight. The fact is he was lucky to get to Valuev first before any genuine heavyweight fighter did. But it still doesnt change the fact he is much more impressive then Fury.
Haye fought for his first world title against Mormeck after 5 years as a pro and Fury has another 8 months before hes at the same point.
Haye has been stopped yes, but e fact is Haye knows how to avoid punches, and he survived the 12 with Wlad by doing that.
Fury can't avoid punches, and if he fights any decent punching fighter with any sort of height, Wlad, Vitali, Thompson, Price even, he's going to be knocked out cold.
If Haye landed the right that Cunningham landed (and Haye would because he's better than Cunningham) then fury sleeps.
The only difference between fury and price is that price took a step up, and got knocked out. But he's not whining about it, he's rematching Thompson and risking his career to make progression.
Fury ducks like he's being shot at.
Hes young enough that he could win a world title. If Vitali and Wlad go, Haye prob doesnt have that many fights either could very easily fight for a vacant title against the likes of Helenius, Malik Scott and he would have a very good chance against them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
Lolenga Mock was a super middle weight with only 7 KO's out of 28 fights;DQuote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeThat means nothing. So fucking what. In 8 months if Fury fights for a world title it will be against a Klit (after Wlad beats Povetkin) and loses. Does that convince you Haye is better because Haye won his 1st world title shot and Fury loses his? Your logic is retarded and is based on ifs. Out logic is based on what we see. Fury being heavily rocked against a feather fisted cruiser weight. Being floored by an absolute bum in Pajkic. Struggling big time against John McDermott. Dont get me wrong Fury has come on leaps and bounds but he is nothing special at all and gets iced the first time he gets in a ring with a puncher with the tools to land. I was hoping it would be Haye but looking unlikely now because Fury is running scared.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossFor now. Im still giving Fury the benefit of the doubt. At the same point in Hayes career, Haye had been stopped by Thompson and nearly got stopped by Lolenga Mock who was a super middleweight! So far Fury has got as far as fighting ex world title challengers and world ranked fighters and he hasn't been stopped, so, so far, he is doing better than Haye.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeYou clearly are clueless if you think that. Price was mandatory for the British title, Fury decides to vacate. He was lined to fight Pulev and pulled out. Then he was lined to fight Haye a pulled out. Guess hes holding out for another fight with Rogan for the world renowned Irish Title. I hate to tell you ross but you have had the wool pulled over your eyes.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Just to be clear I also dont rate Haye. I dont think he has done anything impressive and dont think hell win a world title again. I also cant stand the prick like you becuae the way he thinks he has done something great at heavyweight. The fact is he was lucky to get to Valuev first before any genuine heavyweight fighter did. But it still doesnt change the fact he is much more impressive then Fury.
Haye fought for his first world title against Mormeck after 5 years as a pro and Fury has another 8 months before hes at the same point.
"Haye v Mock" - Videos - Viddler
Look Haye at HW which is the division the contest would be in , went the distance with Wlad , and yes he stunk the place out but he did get hit , Fury is just utter garbage , he has no chin at top level and no power , he is fucking a disgrace in and out of the ring.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossLolenga Mock was a super middle weight with only 7 KO's out of 28 fights;DQuote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeThat means nothing. So fucking what. In 8 months if Fury fights for a world title it will be against a Klit (after Wlad beats Povetkin) and loses. Does that convince you Haye is better because Haye won his 1st world title shot and Fury loses his? Your logic is retarded and is based on ifs. Out logic is based on what we see. Fury being heavily rocked against a feather fisted cruiser weight. Being floored by an absolute bum in Pajkic. Struggling big time against John McDermott. Dont get me wrong Fury has come on leaps and bounds but he is nothing special at all and gets iced the first time he gets in a ring with a puncher with the tools to land. I was hoping it would be Haye but looking unlikely now because Fury is running scared.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossFor now. Im still giving Fury the benefit of the doubt. At the same point in Hayes career, Haye had been stopped by Thompson and nearly got stopped by Lolenga Mock who was a super middleweight! So far Fury has got as far as fighting ex world title challengers and world ranked fighters and he hasn't been stopped, so, so far, he is doing better than Haye.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeYou clearly are clueless if you think that. Price was mandatory for the British title, Fury decides to vacate. He was lined to fight Pulev and pulled out. Then he was lined to fight Haye a pulled out. Guess hes holding out for another fight with Rogan for the world renowned Irish Title. I hate to tell you ross but you have had the wool pulled over your eyes.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Just to be clear I also dont rate Haye. I dont think he has done anything impressive and dont think hell win a world title again. I also cant stand the prick like you becuae the way he thinks he has done something great at heavyweight. The fact is he was lucky to get to Valuev first before any genuine heavyweight fighter did. But it still doesnt change the fact he is much more impressive then Fury.
Haye fought for his first world title against Mormeck after 5 years as a pro and Fury has another 8 months before hes at the same point.
"Haye v Mock" - Videos - Viddler
Fury is at least more powerfull than Adamek;)
Weight and strength are two completely different things to power.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Chisora had the weight and strength to bully Haye a little bit, but he didn't have the power that Haye does and neither does Fury.
That's why Haye sparked a more experienced, fitter and better motivated Chisora out.
Fury has more weight than Haye, not sure about strength, he has legs like a chicken and unlike Chisora, a much higher center of gravity. A shorter guy can bully a taller guy around, even if he is no stronger - basic physics. It's about stature, look at Valuev.
The Haye that Fury fights will be the same version that Wlad couldn't put away, not the lighter novice.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossLolenga Mock was a super middle weight with only 7 KO's out of 28 fights;DQuote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeThat means nothing. So fucking what. In 8 months if Fury fights for a world title it will be against a Klit (after Wlad beats Povetkin) and loses. Does that convince you Haye is better because Haye won his 1st world title shot and Fury loses his? Your logic is retarded and is based on ifs. Out logic is based on what we see. Fury being heavily rocked against a feather fisted cruiser weight. Being floored by an absolute bum in Pajkic. Struggling big time against John McDermott. Dont get me wrong Fury has come on leaps and bounds but he is nothing special at all and gets iced the first time he gets in a ring with a puncher with the tools to land. I was hoping it would be Haye but looking unlikely now because Fury is running scared.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossFor now. Im still giving Fury the benefit of the doubt. At the same point in Hayes career, Haye had been stopped by Thompson and nearly got stopped by Lolenga Mock who was a super middleweight! So far Fury has got as far as fighting ex world title challengers and world ranked fighters and he hasn't been stopped, so, so far, he is doing better than Haye.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeYou clearly are clueless if you think that. Price was mandatory for the British title, Fury decides to vacate. He was lined to fight Pulev and pulled out. Then he was lined to fight Haye a pulled out. Guess hes holding out for another fight with Rogan for the world renowned Irish Title. I hate to tell you ross but you have had the wool pulled over your eyes.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Just to be clear I also dont rate Haye. I dont think he has done anything impressive and dont think hell win a world title again. I also cant stand the prick like you becuae the way he thinks he has done something great at heavyweight. The fact is he was lucky to get to Valuev first before any genuine heavyweight fighter did. But it still doesnt change the fact he is much more impressive then Fury.
Haye fought for his first world title against Mormeck after 5 years as a pro and Fury has another 8 months before hes at the same point.
"Haye v Mock" - Videos - Viddler
I think I know who is stronger, faster, more accurate andmore powerful - it isn't fury!
You seem only to happy to discredit things from earlier in Haye's career, but you won't give him credit for anything from over two years ago?
Like I said - the fact that you think that Haye is a dick as a person is leading you to gave inconsistent logic.
Malignagi also has only 7 KO's but his excuse is the amount of top world class fighters hes facing. Mock dropping and nearly KOing Haye is the same as Malignagi moving up and dropping Golovkin;DQuote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBThe Haye that Fury fights will be the same version that Wlad couldn't put away, not the lighter novice.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossLolenga Mock was a super middle weight with only 7 KO's out of 28 fights;DQuote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeThat means nothing. So fucking what. In 8 months if Fury fights for a world title it will be against a Klit (after Wlad beats Povetkin) and loses. Does that convince you Haye is better because Haye won his 1st world title shot and Fury loses his? Your logic is retarded and is based on ifs. Out logic is based on what we see. Fury being heavily rocked against a feather fisted cruiser weight. Being floored by an absolute bum in Pajkic. Struggling big time against John McDermott. Dont get me wrong Fury has come on leaps and bounds but he is nothing special at all and gets iced the first time he gets in a ring with a puncher with the tools to land. I was hoping it would be Haye but looking unlikely now because Fury is running scared.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossFor now. Im still giving Fury the benefit of the doubt. At the same point in Hayes career, Haye had been stopped by Thompson and nearly got stopped by Lolenga Mock who was a super middleweight! So far Fury has got as far as fighting ex world title challengers and world ranked fighters and he hasn't been stopped, so, so far, he is doing better than Haye.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeYou clearly are clueless if you think that. Price was mandatory for the British title, Fury decides to vacate. He was lined to fight Pulev and pulled out. Then he was lined to fight Haye a pulled out. Guess hes holding out for another fight with Rogan for the world renowned Irish Title. I hate to tell you ross but you have had the wool pulled over your eyes.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Just to be clear I also dont rate Haye. I dont think he has done anything impressive and dont think hell win a world title again. I also cant stand the prick like you becuae the way he thinks he has done something great at heavyweight. The fact is he was lucky to get to Valuev first before any genuine heavyweight fighter did. But it still doesnt change the fact he is much more impressive then Fury.
Haye fought for his first world title against Mormeck after 5 years as a pro and Fury has another 8 months before hes at the same point.
"Haye v Mock" - Videos - Viddler
I think I know who is stronger, faster, more accurate andmore powerful - it isn't fury!
You seem only to happy to discredit things from earlier in Haye's career, but you won't give him credit for anything from over two years ago?
Like I said - the fact that you think that Haye is a dick as a person is leading you to gave inconsistent logic.
Fury is undefeated before he challenges for a world title, the first test Haye fought, he got battered. Fury is tougher.
Fair play to Fury if this fight does happen. He's a giant gypsy, he has really heavy punches and because of his size can take some (not saying he won't fall over, but he is a solid unit). For him to be fighting for a massive pay day, probably a world title shot if he wins, he's done well.
Haye is leagues above him though and should make him look clumsy and slow.
Time will tell... and I suspect that it will tell you a story that you won't like! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by rossMalignagi also has only 7 KO's but his excuse is the amount of top world class fighters hes facing. Mock dropping and nearly KOing Haye is the same as Malignagi moving up and dropping Golovkin;DQuote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBThe Haye that Fury fights will be the same version that Wlad couldn't put away, not the lighter novice.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossLolenga Mock was a super middle weight with only 7 KO's out of 28 fights;DQuote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeThat means nothing. So fucking what. In 8 months if Fury fights for a world title it will be against a Klit (after Wlad beats Povetkin) and loses. Does that convince you Haye is better because Haye won his 1st world title shot and Fury loses his? Your logic is retarded and is based on ifs. Out logic is based on what we see. Fury being heavily rocked against a feather fisted cruiser weight. Being floored by an absolute bum in Pajkic. Struggling big time against John McDermott. Dont get me wrong Fury has come on leaps and bounds but he is nothing special at all and gets iced the first time he gets in a ring with a puncher with the tools to land. I was hoping it would be Haye but looking unlikely now because Fury is running scared.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossFor now. Im still giving Fury the benefit of the doubt. At the same point in Hayes career, Haye had been stopped by Thompson and nearly got stopped by Lolenga Mock who was a super middleweight! So far Fury has got as far as fighting ex world title challengers and world ranked fighters and he hasn't been stopped, so, so far, he is doing better than Haye.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeYou clearly are clueless if you think that. Price was mandatory for the British title, Fury decides to vacate. He was lined to fight Pulev and pulled out. Then he was lined to fight Haye a pulled out. Guess hes holding out for another fight with Rogan for the world renowned Irish Title. I hate to tell you ross but you have had the wool pulled over your eyes.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Just to be clear I also dont rate Haye. I dont think he has done anything impressive and dont think hell win a world title again. I also cant stand the prick like you becuae the way he thinks he has done something great at heavyweight. The fact is he was lucky to get to Valuev first before any genuine heavyweight fighter did. But it still doesnt change the fact he is much more impressive then Fury.
Haye fought for his first world title against Mormeck after 5 years as a pro and Fury has another 8 months before hes at the same point.
"Haye v Mock" - Videos - Viddler
I think I know who is stronger, faster, more accurate andmore powerful - it isn't fury!
You seem only to happy to discredit things from earlier in Haye's career, but you won't give him credit for anything from over two years ago?
Like I said - the fact that you think that Haye is a dick as a person is leading you to gave inconsistent logic.
Fury is undefeated before he challenges for a world title, the first test Haye fought, he got battered. Fury is tougher.
Just read the Fury agreed to 50/50 and Haye is stalling. Not sure if its true.
Ross. Undefeated means nothing. And it's people like you who think it is important that is ruining the sport. Why top fighters in their prime and undefeated don't fight each other.
Wlad and Vitali are not undefeated, Lewis wasn't undefeated. Benny Leonard and Henry Armstrong two hall of famers both list their first fights. Fury will never be half the fighter these men were.
Ross has to tow that undefeated line because its the only stick he realistically has to beat Haye (or anyone thinking Haye wins or Fury is a joke) with.
The same reason he brings up Lolenga Mock every time, he's obligated to. The fact that Haye then went on to chin plenty of cruisers and heavies winning multiple world titles in both weights isn't half as provocative as 'yeah but he got chinned off a light heavy'
Its a basic argument but the only one he really has ;D