Fury is a joke.

[AdamGB]

Has to be some sort of hype building ploy? Fury is as thick as they come but even he can't honestly think that he is worth that much?!

Love or hate Haye - the guy is a two weight title holder and a unified and some would say undisputed champion at cruiserweight.

Tyson Fury is a .... (somebody fill the blanks in for me please, other than being a tall, mouthy pikey I am failing to see what he has done?)

Since Haye embarrased himself against Klitschko, Fury has done alot more than Haye who has fought one solitary fight against someone Tyson fought when they were undefeated.

Tyson has fought 6 times since Haye fell over against Wladamir and he has beaten 2 top ten heavies. Fury has done a hell of alot more than Haye. Haye is now i sgnificant on the world scene. Some naive people are still calling hs name as the man to beat the Klitschkos. Do you all forget how crap he was when given his chance? His boat has sailed amd hes not a big draw. His fight against Char was called off because of poor ticket sales. Fury is drawing a crowd against anyone and all over the media when he fights.

Dunno, last I saw of Fury all I remember is fury getting dropped hard by a cruiserweight just looking for a pay day.

I didn't know we had to discount all of an athlete's prior achievements and performances after a bad one, cheers for clearing that up.

You seem to let a fighter's personality skewer your view of things, you revently did it with Carl Froch because you think he's a dick and you're doing it with David Haye, because you think he's a dick too.

Whether he's a dick or not doesn't change the fact that he is on another level to Fury.

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Has to be some sort of hype building ploy? Fury is as thick as they come but even he can't honestly think that he is worth that much?!

Love or hate Haye - the guy is a two weight title holder and a unified and some would say undisputed champion at cruiserweight.

Tyson Fury is a .... (somebody fill the blanks in for me please, other than being a tall, mouthy pikey I am failing to see what he has done?)

Since Haye embarrased himself against Klitschko, Fury has done alot more than Haye who has fought one solitary fight against someone Tyson fought when they were undefeated.

Tyson has fought 6 times since Haye fell over against Wladamir and he has beaten 2 top ten heavies. Fury has done a hell of alot more than Haye. Haye is now i sgnificant on the world scene. Some naive people are still calling hs name as the man to beat the Klitschkos. Do you all forget how crap he was when given his chance? His boat has sailed amd hes not a big draw. His fight against Char was called off because of poor ticket sales. Fury is drawing a crowd against anyone and all over the media when he fights.

Dunno, last I saw of Fury all I remember is fury getting dropped hard by a cruiserweight just looking for a pay day.

I didn't know we had to discount all of an athlete's prior achievements and performances after a bad one, cheers for clearing that up.

You seem to let a fighter's personality skewer your view of things, you revently did it with Carl Froch because you think he's a dick and you're doing it with David Haye, because you think he's a dick too.

Whether he's a dick or not doesn't change the fact that he is on another level to Fury.

I think Froch is a dick but its undeniable hes fought better names than Haye has. Haye gets my goat because he talks a good game but hasnt really done a great deal. Hes had 27 or 28 fights but been a pro for 11 years. The fights he had before Wlad, even including the cruiser fights, people in here have already pointed out the best, most dangerous fighter he has beaten is Valuev... Who most felt lost to 47 year old Holyfield

There have been plenty of opportunities for Haye to fight genuine contenders to deserve a shot at the title, like Adamek, Arreola, Johnson, Thomson, Solis etc. He has and is constantly is trying the easiest route to a big title shot and its a business and I cant blame him for that but its the attitude that he has done something special along the way that irritates me. Yeah Fury can be dopey and a helmet but he is fighting consistantly and trying to fight ranked fighters. Even Cunningham admitted in the lead up that he was the only fighter who wanted Fury because everyone else doesnt want to face his size and his awkwardness.

He isnt going down the Harrison route like Haye and Price. He fought Chisora when Chisora mattered, even Wlad wanted Chisora as an opponent back then but he pulled out and Fury offered him a fight.

Fury makes me laugh with his ridiculousness, Haye sounds similar but there is a constant undertone of arrogance with Haye, whereas Fury will go on the internet for the whole world to see and take the piss out of himself and his traveler roots wanting to buy caravans and dogs and how its a shame, hes a fat, out of shape, chinny, light punching fighter etc.

[AdamGB]

I'm thinking that Chisora probably mattered more after giving Vitali one of his toughest fights since Lennox Lewis than when he showed up unconditioned and uninterested against Fury...

Fury is highly amusing, I will give you that.

[bzkfn]

Haye gets my goat because he talks a good game but hasnt really done a great deal.

So being Undisputed Cruiserweight World Champion and winning a World Heavyweight Title amout to "not doing much", but Tyson Fury has lit the Heavyweight division up? Get a grip, the man hasn't fought a live body other than Cunningham and Chisora. If you could see through the bullshit, you'd see that Hennessy is making him avoid punchers because they are fully aware he has no chin and will get sparked. Both John Ruiz & Nikolai Valuev are both more accomplished fighters than anyone Tyson Fury has faced. You also criticised his Cruiserweight opponents, but at the time, Maccarinelli was a long time Champion and the British public begged him to take that fight, and Mormeck was the consensus #1 in the division when Haye flattened him.

Haye talks a good game. You say he goes for the easiest route but I disagree. He goes for the most financially viable route which is what any of us would do. Haye is in it for the money, not for the love of the sport but if you can get past this idea you'd see he is undeniably one of the most skilled Heavyweight fighters around.

He isnt going down the Harrison route like Haye and Price.

You're right, Tyson takes the best challenges at his doorstep. Like for example, when hard punching David Price was his mandatory, he gave up his belts to fight sure fire hall of famer, the world class 40 year old Martin Rogan.

Tyson also recently stepped aside from the dangerous Pulev. If he doesn't get the Haye fight, he recently mentioned top class fighter Fres Oquendo as a possible opponent.

He fought Chisora when Chisora mattered.

Chisora was not in shape for that fight and couldn't have made it easier for Tyson. Saying Chisora didn't matter when Haye fought him is utter bullshit. Chisora gave Vitali a tough fight and took him 12. He also proved he was iron chinned, not budging from Fury, Helenius or Vitali's punches and yet Haye brutally finished him.


Haye is what he is. He learnt a long time ago that if you chat shit, it sells. The reason he wants to fight Fury is he knows he has found another motormouth who can help him make a boat load of money. The reason he was going to fight Charr is because Charr started copying his tactics. He fought Harrison because Sky offered him a boatload of money and sold the fight for him. It is all about smart business decisions and to be fair, it has made him a rich man. Fury is the one who chatters on about everyone without actually proving anything.

[Master]

Tyson Fury took on Chisora, he cannot be blamed if Del Boy comes in unconditioned. Fury signed up to fight an undefeated and dangerous fighter at the time.

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Tyson Fury took on Chisora, he cannot be blamed if Del Boy comes in unconditioned. Fury signed up to fight an undefeated and dangerous fighter at the time.

Exactly,the most skilled heavy in the world fights someone Fury beat as a 14 fight novice. Fair play, thousands turned up and paid for it but it meant nothing.

[AdamGB]

Tyson Fury took on Chisora, he cannot be blamed if Del Boy comes in unconditioned. Fury signed up to fight an undefeated and dangerous fighter at the time.

Exactly,the most skilled heavy in the world fights someone Fury beat as a 14 fight novice. Fair play, thousands turned up and paid for it but it meant nothing.

Apparently not if we go off gate numbers and revenue, which is all that matters when it comes down to splitting purses between the two.

[AdamGB]

Tyson Fury took on Chisora, he cannot be blamed if Del Boy comes in unconditioned. Fury signed up to fight an undefeated and dangerous fighter at the time.

He can't be blamed for Chisora's lack of motivation, but he can't be given as much credit as ge would get for beating a fully motivated Chisora either...

[Fenster]

Fuck me this is funny - Novice Chisora was more dangerous/bigtime in his 15th fight because he was undefeated?

He didn't improve with experience (which is the norm), or enhance his reputation against Vitali and Helinus (apart from the fact he learnt to actually train), because he'd already been ruined by Fury.

(what a pair of plums )

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Fuck me this is funny - Novice Chisora was more dangerous/bigtime in his 15th fight because he was undefeated?

He didn't improve with experience (which is the norm), or enhance his reputation against Vitali and Helinus (apart from the fact he learnt to actually train), because he'd already been ruined by Fury.

(what a pair of plums )

Fury fought someone that wlad pulled out against, a fighter who had been in months of training to fight the best heavy in the world after the fight was postponed. Haye fought someone Fury beat

[Vendettos]

Fuck me this is funny - Novice Chisora was more dangerous/bigtime in his 15th fight because he was undefeated?

He didn't improve with experience (which is the norm), or enhance his reputation against Vitali and Helinus (apart from the fact he learnt to actually train), because he'd already been ruined by Fury.

(what a pair of plums )

Fury fought someone that wlad pulled out against, a fighter who had been in months of training to fight the best heavy in the world after the fight was postponed. Haye fought someone Fury beat

Haye is better than Fury,

Deal with it!

[Silkeyjoe]

There have been plenty of opportunities for Haye to fight genuine contenders to deserve a shot at the title, like Adamek, Arreola, Johnson, Thomson, Solis etc. He has and is constantly is trying the easiest route to a big title shot and its a business and I cant blame him for that but its the attitude that he has done something special along the way that irritates me. Yeah Fury can be dopey and a helmet but he is fighting consistantly and trying to fight ranked fighters. Even Cunningham admitted in the lead up that he was the only fighter who wanted Fury because everyone else doesnt want to face his size and his awkwardness.

He isnt going down the Harrison route like Haye and Price. He fought Chisora when Chisora mattered, even Wlad wanted Chisora as an opponent back then but he pulled out and Fury offered him a fight.

Fury makes me laugh with his ridiculousness, Haye sounds similar but there is a constant undertone of arrogance with Haye, whereas Fury will go on the internet for the whole world to see and take the piss out of himself and his traveler roots wanting to buy caravans and dogs and how its a shame, hes a fat, out of shape, chinny, light punching fighter etc.

You clearly are clueless if you think that. Price was mandatory for the British title, Fury decides to vacate. He was lined to fight Pulev and pulled out. Then he was lined to fight Haye a pulled out. Guess hes holding out for another fight with Rogan for the world renowned Irish Title. I hate to tell you ross but you have had the wool pulled over your eyes.

Just to be clear I also dont rate Haye. I dont think he has done anything impressive and dont think hell win a world title again. I also cant stand the prick like you becuae the way he thinks he has done something great at heavyweight. The fact is he was lucky to get to Valuev first before any genuine heavyweight fighter did. But it still doesnt change the fact he is much more impressive then Fury.

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There have been plenty of opportunities for Haye to fight genuine contenders to deserve a shot at the title, like Adamek, Arreola, Johnson, Thomson, Solis etc. He has and is constantly is trying the easiest route to a big title shot and its a business and I cant blame him for that but its the attitude that he has done something special along the way that irritates me. Yeah Fury can be dopey and a helmet but he is fighting consistantly and trying to fight ranked fighters. Even Cunningham admitted in the lead up that he was the only fighter who wanted Fury because everyone else doesnt want to face his size and his awkwardness.

He isnt going down the Harrison route like Haye and Price. He fought Chisora when Chisora mattered, even Wlad wanted Chisora as an opponent back then but he pulled out and Fury offered him a fight.

Fury makes me laugh with his ridiculousness, Haye sounds similar but there is a constant undertone of arrogance with Haye, whereas Fury will go on the internet for the whole world to see and take the piss out of himself and his traveler roots wanting to buy caravans and dogs and how its a shame, hes a fat, out of shape, chinny, light punching fighter etc.

You clearly are clueless if you think that. Price was mandatory for the British title, Fury decides to vacate. He was lined to fight Pulev and pulled out. Then he was lined to fight Haye a pulled out. Guess hes holding out for another fight with Rogan for the world renowned Irish Title. I hate to tell you ross but you have had the wool pulled over your eyes.

Just to be clear I also dont rate Haye. I dont think he has done anything impressive and dont think hell win a world title again. I also cant stand the prick like you becuae the way he thinks he has done something great at heavyweight. The fact is he was lucky to get to Valuev first before any genuine heavyweight fighter did. But it still doesnt change the fact he is much more impressive then Fury.

For now. Im still giving Fury the benefit of the doubt. At the same point in Hayes career, Haye had been stopped by Thompson and nearly got stopped by Lolenga Mock who was a super middleweight! So far Fury has got as far as fighting ex world title challengers and world ranked fighters and he hasn't been stopped, so, so far, he is doing better than Haye.

Haye fought for his first world title against Mormeck after 5 years as a pro and Fury has another 8 months before hes at the same point.

[Silkeyjoe]

There have been plenty of opportunities for Haye to fight genuine contenders to deserve a shot at the title, like Adamek, Arreola, Johnson, Thomson, Solis etc. He has and is constantly is trying the easiest route to a big title shot and its a business and I cant blame him for that but its the attitude that he has done something special along the way that irritates me. Yeah Fury can be dopey and a helmet but he is fighting consistantly and trying to fight ranked fighters. Even Cunningham admitted in the lead up that he was the only fighter who wanted Fury because everyone else doesnt want to face his size and his awkwardness.

He isnt going down the Harrison route like Haye and Price. He fought Chisora when Chisora mattered, even Wlad wanted Chisora as an opponent back then but he pulled out and Fury offered him a fight.

Fury makes me laugh with his ridiculousness, Haye sounds similar but there is a constant undertone of arrogance with Haye, whereas Fury will go on the internet for the whole world to see and take the piss out of himself and his traveler roots wanting to buy caravans and dogs and how its a shame, hes a fat, out of shape, chinny, light punching fighter etc.

You clearly are clueless if you think that. Price was mandatory for the British title, Fury decides to vacate. He was lined to fight Pulev and pulled out. Then he was lined to fight Haye a pulled out. Guess hes holding out for another fight with Rogan for the world renowned Irish Title. I hate to tell you ross but you have had the wool pulled over your eyes.

Just to be clear I also dont rate Haye. I dont think he has done anything impressive and dont think hell win a world title again. I also cant stand the prick like you becuae the way he thinks he has done something great at heavyweight. The fact is he was lucky to get to Valuev first before any genuine heavyweight fighter did. But it still doesnt change the fact he is much more impressive then Fury.

For now. Im still giving Fury the benefit of the doubt. At the same point in Hayes career, Haye had been stopped by Thompson and nearly got stopped by Lolenga Mock who was a super middleweight! So far Fury has got as far as fighting ex world title challengers and world ranked fighters and he hasn't been stopped, so, so far, he is doing better than Haye.

Haye fought for his first world title against Mormeck after 5 years as a pro and Fury has another 8 months before hes at the same point.

That means nothing. So fucking what. In 8 months if Fury fights for a world title it will be against a Klit (after Wlad beats Povetkin) and loses. Does that convince you Haye is better because Haye won his 1st world title shot and Fury loses his? Your logic is retarded and is based on ifs. Out logic is based on what we see. Fury being heavily rocked against a feather fisted cruiser weight. Being floored by an absolute bum in Pajkic. Struggling big time against John McDermott. Dont get me wrong Fury has come on leaps and bounds but he is nothing special at all and gets iced the first time he gets in a ring with a puncher with the tools to land. I was hoping it would be Haye but looking unlikely now because Fury is running scared.

[Vendettos]

There have been plenty of opportunities for Haye to fight genuine contenders to deserve a shot at the title, like Adamek, Arreola, Johnson, Thomson, Solis etc. He has and is constantly is trying the easiest route to a big title shot and its a business and I cant blame him for that but its the attitude that he has done something special along the way that irritates me. Yeah Fury can be dopey and a helmet but he is fighting consistantly and trying to fight ranked fighters. Even Cunningham admitted in the lead up that he was the only fighter who wanted Fury because everyone else doesnt want to face his size and his awkwardness.

He isnt going down the Harrison route like Haye and Price. He fought Chisora when Chisora mattered, even Wlad wanted Chisora as an opponent back then but he pulled out and Fury offered him a fight.

Fury makes me laugh with his ridiculousness, Haye sounds similar but there is a constant undertone of arrogance with Haye, whereas Fury will go on the internet for the whole world to see and take the piss out of himself and his traveler roots wanting to buy caravans and dogs and how its a shame, hes a fat, out of shape, chinny, light punching fighter etc.

You clearly are clueless if you think that. Price was mandatory for the British title, Fury decides to vacate. He was lined to fight Pulev and pulled out. Then he was lined to fight Haye a pulled out. Guess hes holding out for another fight with Rogan for the world renowned Irish Title. I hate to tell you ross but you have had the wool pulled over your eyes.

Just to be clear I also dont rate Haye. I dont think he has done anything impressive and dont think hell win a world title again. I also cant stand the prick like you becuae the way he thinks he has done something great at heavyweight. The fact is he was lucky to get to Valuev first before any genuine heavyweight fighter did. But it still doesnt change the fact he is much more impressive then Fury.

For now. Im still giving Fury the benefit of the doubt. At the same point in Hayes career, Haye had been stopped by Thompson and nearly got stopped by Lolenga Mock who was a super middleweight! So far Fury has got as far as fighting ex world title challengers and world ranked fighters and he hasn't been stopped, so, so far, he is doing better than Haye.

Haye fought for his first world title against Mormeck after 5 years as a pro and Fury has another 8 months before hes at the same point.

That means nothing. So fucking what. In 8 months if Fury fights for a world title it will be against a Klit (after Wlad beats Povetkin) and loses. Does that convince you Haye is better because Haye won his 1st world title shot and Fury loses his? Your logic is retarded and is based on ifs. Out logic is based on what we see. Fury being heavily rocked against a feather fisted cruiser weight. Being floored by an absolute bum in Pajkic. Struggling big time against John McDermott. Dont get me wrong Fury has come on leaps and bounds but he is nothing special at all and gets iced the first time he gets in a ring with a puncher with the tools to land. I was hoping it would be Haye but looking unlikely now because Fury is running scared.

Fury will not win a world title. Period!

Haye has been stopped yes, but e fact is Haye knows how to avoid punches, and he survived the 12 with Wlad by doing that.

Fury can't avoid punches, and if he fights any decent punching fighter with any sort of height, Wlad, Vitali, Thompson, Price even, he's going to be knocked out cold.

If Haye landed the right that Cunningham landed (and Haye would because he's better than Cunningham) then fury sleeps.


The only difference between fury and price is that price took a step up, and got knocked out. But he's not whining about it, he's rematching Thompson and risking his career to make progression.


Fury ducks like he's being shot at.