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Miles you are absolutely impossible to reason with. If you think anthropology and sociology are meaningless drivel, then what is the point of talking to you ? You would not have linguistics and your idol Chomsky without Anthropology and yet what's good for the Goose is apparently no good for the Gander. I get it you think England. it's students, education and general population are stupid and it is only you who has ever achieved anything despite being born here and then running off to Korea to look down your nose at everybody back home. God you are an insufferable snob.

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Miles you are absolutely impossible to reason with. If you think anthropology and sociology are meaningless drivel, then what is the point of talking to you ? You would not have linguistics and your idol Chomsky without Anthropology and yet what's good for the Goose is apparently no good for the Gander. I get it you think England. it's students, education and general population are stupid and it is only you who has ever achieved anything despite being born here and then running off to Korea to look down your nose at everybody back home. God you are an insufferable snob.

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They are useless if the person is never going to get a job using those skills. I've seen it so often, in courses like these people end up doing things like working in retail or various things not connected to sociology. My friend Marc for instance studied sociology up until MA level and ended up working for the council. Years of being bored later, he is going to study economics. I hope he has a plan, second time out they usually do. I did. Now nursing students on the other hand, always end up getting a job as a nurse.

I am saying that people often choose things simply because they enjoy the subject, but they have no connection to say being a politician. I studied Politics, but unless you are in the old Eton gang you won't have a chance, and furthermore, if you are that bit radical, you will be weeded out regardless. I liked politics and history, but it was useless. Most realise it too late after being told in sixth form 'You must go to University to do well!. Then a decade later and average debts of 10's of thousands of pounds.......the system is not only increasingly useless, but it is abusive and rotten.

I think they are useful course for knowledge, but in terms of jobs in modern Britain, you will struggle. I guess that's what I was getting at.

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Miles you are absolutely impossible to reason with. If you think anthropology and sociology are meaningless drivel, then what is the point of talking to you ? You would not have linguistics and your idol Chomsky without Anthropology and yet what's good for the Goose is apparently no good for the Gander. I get it you think England. it's students, education and general population are stupid and it is only you who has ever achieved anything despite being born here and then running off to Korea to look down your nose at everybody back home. God you are an insufferable snob.

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I responded to the first part only. I don't look down on the smart English people and there are many of them, but I do look down on the economic and social dehumanisation taking place. Culturally there is something wrong with the UK in that children of poor families would rather become single parents than try and better themselves. Yet if you are smart and try to better yourself you find a mountain of debt. If you are irresponsible and breed as a kid, you get handouts. From top to bottom there are massive abuses of the system and it's intolerable. I don't think I have achieved very much in life beyond a modicum of self sufficiency, but surely self sufficiency should be the ultimate objective of any decent system. I don't discriminate, banks should be self sufficient only, as should randy kids, as should rancid old Monarchies.

I don't claim to have done anything in life except to finally study in an area that fits, and to live a very cautious life. My sister in law came over last week and loved our TV, but looked in horror at the old sofa full of holes. People can drive old cars, sit on old sofas, avoid going out to a silly bar and spending the night drinking overpriced crappy drinks. On the whole they don't though. They think Daddy government is always going to be there. But big Daddy government is broker than all of them. All I say is that there are serious cultural problems in the UK and they refuse to look the problems in the eye. All I do is make some comparisons and say hey, it doesn't suck here, you know yourself your system has gone wrong.

Stop trying to make it into me hating your system, which is a country I will always be connected to, when I see it as other systems having ways to improve our country. Nationalisation, stop supporting teenage mums with free housing, banking reform, protect domestic workers and give them hope in their own country and then ask for immigrants. Reform the University system so students aren't overdoing courses with limited job opportunities. I am offering suggestions to improve a broken country. I don't want it broke.

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I don't vote but if I did vote I would have voted UKIP. I'm hoping the EU doesn't reform significantly especially as far as the free movement of labour goes and we could see UKIP become a serious political force and hold the balance of power within a couple of elections.

I really like what the Front National are standing for in France. A decent welfare stste to protect citizens from the ravages of globalisation, protection of domestic industry from the ravages of globalisation, government running the banking system, an end to corporate/big business control of the economy and the G4Sisation of government services and of course boot all the recent immigrants out. This is the recipe that advanced economies need to adopt along with some kind of immigration points qualification system like Australia has so that we can let in regulated non-domestic-labour-rates-cutting numbers of honest hard-working skilled people and keep all the scum out.

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All that with your little free Palestine Giff featuring the Pope. Statements like

"and of course boot all the recent immigrants out"

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"keep all the scum out"

reveals your hand and loses you many a future poker game.

"ALL the recent immigrants" ?

Does that mean skilled and unskilled ? All the chefs? All the restaurant owners? All the teachers? All the consultants, doctors and care staff? all the scientists? all the interpreters? all the people who have stared small businesses employing English ? All the students? all the actors? all the bar staff?

Define recent

this year
last year
last decade
since the 70's
since the 50's
since the 1900's ?

Just the Europeans ? what about the Indians ? or the Pakistanis ? or the Afro-Caribbeans? or the Somalis or how about the Jews? the Australians ? The Americans? The Canadians?

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All the ones not working and a big chunk of the unskilled ones. Offer unemployed Brits the unskilled jobs on a minimum wage and if they don't take it stop all their benefits and boot the fuckers out of their government-paid housing.

Actually ha ve a regulated system that doesn't flood the market with vast amounts of unskilled labour. The current system allows employers to pay Brits at the low end of the earnings scale about 15-20% less than they would with controlled immigration. The government also allows employers to pay less than minimum wage with almost no penalty. This should end and employers should be fined up the yin yang if they're caught paying --especially immigrants -- less than minimum wage.


Basically run the country in favour of the vast majority of the people who live in it and not in favour of a tiny minority who profit from the current situation, and I speak as one of the tiny minority. The system is far too unbalanced right now.

I've been making the same points over and over again since 2007 since I joined this site, I'm sure you know my routine backwards by now. I've actually had the same views -- inequality of income causing massive economic problems, no regulation fucking the financial system up and so on -- since just before the end of last century. As somebody burdened with the fact of being always right about everything all the time it's extremely annoying watching the world continue to fuck things up when it could be run much better and it's also very gratifying when the people who run the world eventually realise that I was right and contemplate their own supreme arrogance at thinking they knew better than Kirkland Laing, The Infallible One:


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Dark Lord Al you are entitled to your opinion but do not mix refugees with immigrants.

Also the real issues are the bankers being subsidised, cuts in public services through dogma and political ideology and millionaires being allowed to avoid taxes.

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yes those are issues - but just the same as what Al highlights you knobrot. All real issues

I was out in Leeds late other night and was shocked at the number on the streets in town centre just lined up in shop doorways. Enough

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The rest and most of them are doing low paid jobs that most people on benefits do not want to do such as cleaning toilets, working in care homes and doing night shifts.

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So you make the people on the dole do those job for fucks sake , you change the system , if an immigrant is on a low income he doesn't even pay tax , and we give his family and him health care and education , for fucks sake do the fucking maths .

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Do you see me write aggressively, getting emotional, swearing and calling you names?

Reality is the immigrants work for below the minimum wage which is why people are benefits do not take them as they are better off on benefits. They are here because they can earn a better standard of living here than over there. Yes they use the NHS and some commit crimes but where they can they contribute to our culture, society and the economy, as will their children and subsequent generation.

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The thing is the "contribute to society" bit is normally a contribution to big and small business profits. It's great for business and the country's GDP but not so great for the people already living in the country as they face increased competition for work, housing, access to school places, healthcare and other social services.

"Contribute to society" is just a mantra repeated by politicians who are just a bunch of corporate servants, saying what they're told to say by the people who fund their parties.

Beanz, I'm surprised anyone bothers attempting to debate miles anymore....why waste your time? Like many lefties he has no thoughts of his own, he only parrots what guys like Chomsky spout.


Chomsky is a LINGUIST....why anyone gives credence to what a linguist thinks about anything other than words is beyond me. He holds himself (and his held by others) in a much higher than he deserves.

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Dark Lord Al you are entitled to your opinion but do not mix refugees with immigrants.

Also the real issues are the bankers being subsidised, cuts in public services through dogma and political ideology and millionaires being allowed to avoid taxes.

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yes those are issues - but just the same as what Al highlights you knobrot. All real issues

I was out in Leeds late other night and was shocked at the number on the streets in town centre just lined up in shop doorways. Enough

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The rest and most of them are doing low paid jobs that most people on benefits do not want to do such as cleaning toilets, working in care homes and doing night shifts.

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So you make the people on the dole do those job for fucks sake , you change the system , if an immigrant is on a low income he doesn't even pay tax , and we give his family and him health care and education , for fucks sake do the fucking maths .

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Do you see me write aggressively, getting emotional, swearing and calling you names?

Reality is the immigrants work for below the minimum wage which is why people are benefits do not take them as they are better off on benefits. They are here because they can earn a better standard of living here than over there. Yes they use the NHS and some commit crimes but where they can they contribute to our culture, society and the economy, as will their children and subsequent generation.

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The thing is the "contribute to society" bit is normally a contribution to big and small business profits. It's great for business and the country's GDP but not so great for the people already living in the country as they face increased competition for work, housing, access to school places, healthcare and other social services.

"Contribute to society" is just a mantra repeated by politicians who are just a bunch of corporate servants, saying what they're told to say by the people who fund their parties.

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It is also a real concept, they pay taxes, play a role in the community as do we all. Why should it not be different for them and their children?

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Beanz, I'm surprised anyone bothers attempting to debate miles anymore....why waste your time? Like many lefties he has no thoughts of his own, he only parrots what guys like Chomsky spout.


Chomsky is a LINGUIST....why anyone gives credence to what a linguist thinks about anything other than words is beyond me. He holds himself (and his held by others) in a much higher than he deserves.

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The thing is Miles is not a leftie. Miles is just words with a big stash of gold bars and a seething disrespect for everybody in England, in fact anybody who is not him. I just voted for the Trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition in the local Elections and the Green Party for the European Parliament so I lean about as far left as you can before falling over and yet I can find little in common with Miles and his England for the English tirade and the preposterous position of him being an Immigrant himself and yet being completely devoid of empathy or common sense. I voted left and I find myself doing so because my country is falling so far over to the right that a handful of pointy headed members of the old boys club have ended up running the show and have robbed the coffers from those below.

This whole debate has been massively skewed and weighted form the start. With Miles and Kirkland keen to class all immigrants as the problem and ignore ANY positive contributions that have been made in the hundreds of years of settlers making this country what it is.

Kirkland you are full of yourself and even fuller of shit. My personal experience of Immigrants form Eastern Europe on a one to one level is my friend from Lithuania who came here about 5 years ago and now has built his one man business up to the point that he now employs three English people, two of whom he trained up from promising unemployed artists into fully qualified and highly skilled tattoo artists.

You will dismiss that as not representative of most Eastern European immigrants but the point is you and Miles are suggesting that all Immigration is about taking benefits and jobs not creating them and paying taxes. You are clearly just presenting one side of a much more complex argument.

Miles get your head out of your arse you would not last 5 minutes as a single Mother and stop fucking condemning everyone you judgemental cunt. You were apparently brought up by a single Mother so have some respect and stop assuming everyone but you is a sponger. My Brother in law did History and Politics at Uni like you and he is an insufferable prick too.

So there we go, Breenbeanz gives in to ad hoc personal attacks as egged on by Lyle, who hasn't made a meaningful post since coming back. There is a reason I am not a single parent and it is because I take responsibility for my actions. If more people did so, then the UK could actually be a place with lower taxes and a more just system. I condemn all who make the most terrible personal choices and potentially fuck with the lives of innocent young people in a society that will most likely continue the cycles of poverty and misery. Marriages go wrong and fair enough, but my concern is where there has never been marriage, the woman has never worked, and still breeds. It is a British problem and the 'rewards' need to be extinguished. If you have never contributed then how can you make claims on the state? It's wrong.

I respect all people who make sensible decisions, plan their lives, and try to get ahead, but in truth it is very hard in England because at the top the spongers don't pay taxes, or are the monarchy, or Dave's banking mates, then at the bottom swathes of people who are bone idle. Everyone else works hard but is screwed as they are paying for the top and the bottom. That is where I am not socialist at all. I am a libertarian, with a few arguments for some core nationalisation. It isn't socialism by any traditional measure, it's a policy of reducing government and taxes, and saying get off your arses. I don't think you should pay for the idleness of others. And as for immigrants then skimming basic wages down, it is criminal that there is even a debate on the issue. Nobody cares for the hard working Brits.

I have to say that I am disappointed with your last two posts Greenbeanz which have been cuntish. You have nothing left to argue and so it boils down to miles has no empathy and is a cunt and Kirkland too. You never sit down to think why you are the lone voice in threads like this. It is you who lack the judgment.

The reason you have never been a single parent Miles is contrary to all evidence you are actually a man with no womb. Therefore you are highly unlikely to be abandoned by your philandering seed spreading boyfriend. I have a friend who is a single parent and they have worked throughout their childs life because they work in Education with a creche on site. They are also a man.

You are so very predictable and hypocritical. Can you really believe any of the vile nonsense and bile that you spout ? The swathes of people at the bottom who are bone idle are as well as being a vastly exaggerated group to which you as a non UK resident contribute fuck all, are not the biggest percentage of the real struggling poor in this country. The people who really need help are the working poor, because contrary to your self aggrandising and myopic stupid view of my country, MOST people want to work and single parent or not try their hardest to make it pay. You are not a libertarian you are a bigot.

"The woman has never worked and still breeds.." what the fuck is that supposed to mean. That men bear no responsibility? That every women is a sponger ? that being a mother and working are mutually exclusive? Every time you make such an insensitive broad sweeping ignorant elitist statement you put yourself firmly in the camp of the out of touch career politician not the common working man.

I am not the only lone voice in threads like these and even if I were it would not be because I lack judgement. I will not be party to blowing smoke up your arse because you think you are some kind of expert and above the need for common decency or logical reasoning. Do you realise the amount of leeway and allowances people make for you because they think you are a bit of a character or have mental health issues?

The thread is about UK council and European elections. You do not reside in the UK. You do not vote in the UK and you do not pay tax in the UK. So why for fucks sake do you think it is OK to turn the thread into a soap box upon which you can stand and lecture UK taxpaying residents who have voted in the recent elections on what needs to be done to turn England back into the fictional crusty stuffy shit hole of your waffy yah yah youth?

I am glad the England I live in now is different to the one of my youth. I am happy to be able to live in a far more enlightened culture that which I grew up in, in the 1970's. When I was a kid wine was for Middle class families unless you meant Blue Nun and Garlic for the French. There were skinheads who went to my local youth club who ignorantly hated people they called "wogs" who actually created the haircut and Ska music that they were listening to, way before 1977, back in the 1950's . Any Asian with dark skin was routinely called Paki even though most were Indian and provided us with our national dish. Even you with your penchant for fast food would have had to put up with Wimpy which was shit.

Today on the local news they returned a 250 year old torah scroll to the Jewish community in Cornwall from the museum in which it was kept and Yids like me have actually been here in this country for hundreds of years before that. Lending money which Christians would not to set up businesses around which English communities sprang up. So the idea that all immigration is a negative thing is abhorrent to me.

Not once have I said that there is no problem with Immigration. Not once have I said that all our power and legal decisions should be governed by the EU. Not once have I said that people who vote UKIP are racist. And yet you and Kirkland have both made sweeping statements about England and Immigrants as though the solution to everbodies woes was to throw everyone out and turn back the clock as though Immigration in all it's guises had never happened.

You have never acknowledged anything positive about Europe, immigration or the resilience of the British people who pull up their socks and carry on despite the difficulties they face. It's just all negative bollocks not unlike UKIP's campaign and that way leads to nothing but blame, division and the elite at the top continuing to shit on everyone else.

What Greenbeanz said.

European bureaucracy is bad and adds another layer of waste which only really supports multinationals and politicians. Immigration will happen even if it was not there but at least better checked.

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Kirkland you are full of yourself and even fuller of shit. My personal experience of Immigrants form Eastern Europe on a one to one level is my friend from Lithuania who came here about 5 years ago and now has built his one man business up to the point that he now employs three English people, two of whom he trained up from promising unemployed artists into fully qualified and highly skilled tattoo artists.

You will dismiss that as not representative of most Eastern European immigrants but the point is you and Miles are suggesting that all Immigration is about taking benefits and jobs not creating them and paying taxes. You are clearly just presenting one side of a much more complex argument.

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Personal experiences aren't relevant. The plural of anecdote is not data. Even a lefty organisation (either Unison or the GMB or one of the big unions) recently published a report saying that uncontrolled immigration compresses wages and cuts earnings of those at the lower end of the scale by about 15%. (It's actually a bit more than that.)



I'm not against immigration. I'm fine with it. It's just that immigration should be controlled and regulated by the government so it doesn't destroy the earning capabilities of existing Brits. We should only let in the numbers of people we actually need and not swamp the market with vast amounts of unskilled and semi-skilled labour that reduces income for the majority of the population, greatly increases competition for housing, employment, healthcare, education and other social services.

And we should definitely not let anybody in that there isn't a job for or who can't support themselves straight away. And all the current parties after these elections now agree with that(or at least say they do). They just can't enforce it as it's against European law. We're not allowed to control immigration or our own borders and that's the main reason why UKIP won last week.

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Dark Lord Al you are entitled to your opinion but do not mix refugees with immigrants.

Also the real issues are the bankers being subsidised, cuts in public services through dogma and political ideology and millionaires being allowed to avoid taxes.

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yes those are issues - but just the same as what Al highlights you knobrot. All real issues

I was out in Leeds late other night and was shocked at the number on the streets in town centre just lined up in shop doorways. Enough

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The rest and most of them are doing low paid jobs that most people on benefits do not want to do such as cleaning toilets, working in care homes and doing night shifts.

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So you make the people on the dole do those job for fucks sake , you change the system , if an immigrant is on a low income he doesn't even pay tax , and we give his family and him health care and education , for fucks sake do the fucking maths .

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Do you see me write aggressively, getting emotional, swearing and calling you names?

Reality is the immigrants work for below the minimum wage which is why people are benefits do not take them as they are better off on benefits. They are here because they can earn a better standard of living here than over there. Yes they use the NHS and some commit crimes but where they can they contribute to our culture, society and the economy, as will their children and subsequent generation.

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The thing is the "contribute to society" bit is normally a contribution to big and small business profits. It's great for business and the country's GDP but not so great for the people already living in the country as they face increased competition for work, housing, access to school places, healthcare and other social services.

"Contribute to society" is just a mantra repeated by politicians who are just a bunch of corporate servants, saying what they're told to say by the people who fund their parties.

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It is also a real concept, they pay taxes, play a role in the community as do we all. Why should it not be different for them and their children?

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It's a case of balancing the positives and negatives of immigration. Right now all the positives accrue to a tiny minority of the existing population while all the negatives fall on the vast majority of the existing population.

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Dark Lord Al you are entitled to your opinion but do not mix refugees with immigrants.

Also the real issues are the bankers being subsidised, cuts in public services through dogma and political ideology and millionaires being allowed to avoid taxes.

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yes those are issues - but just the same as what Al highlights you knobrot. All real issues

I was out in Leeds late other night and was shocked at the number on the streets in town centre just lined up in shop doorways. Enough

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The rest and most of them are doing low paid jobs that most people on benefits do not want to do such as cleaning toilets, working in care homes and doing night shifts.

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So you make the people on the dole do those job for fucks sake , you change the system , if an immigrant is on a low income he doesn't even pay tax , and we give his family and him health care and education , for fucks sake do the fucking maths .

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Do you see me write aggressively, getting emotional, swearing and calling you names?

Reality is the immigrants work for below the minimum wage which is why people are benefits do not take them as they are better off on benefits. They are here because they can earn a better standard of living here than over there. Yes they use the NHS and some commit crimes but where they can they contribute to our culture, society and the economy, as will their children and subsequent generation.

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The thing is the "contribute to society" bit is normally a contribution to big and small business profits. It's great for business and the country's GDP but not so great for the people already living in the country as they face increased competition for work, housing, access to school places, healthcare and other social services.

"Contribute to society" is just a mantra repeated by politicians who are just a bunch of corporate servants, saying what they're told to say by the people who fund their parties.

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It is also a real concept, they pay taxes, play a role in the community as do we all. Why should it not be different for them and their children?

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It's a case of balancing the positives and negatives of immigration. Right now all the positives accrue to a tiny minority of the existing population while all the negatives fall on the vast majority of the existing population.

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The positives come when their children get educated and earn good salaries and they pay taxes.

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The reason you have never been a single parent Miles is contrary to all evidence you are actually a man with no womb. Therefore you are highly unlikely to be abandoned by your philandering seed spreading boyfriend. I have a friend who is a single parent and they have worked throughout their childs life because they work in Education with a creche on site. They are also a man.

You are so very predictable and hypocritical. Can you really believe any of the vile nonsense and bile that you spout ? The swathes of people at the bottom who are bone idle are as well as being a vastly exaggerated group to which you as a non UK resident contribute fuck all, are not the biggest percentage of the real struggling poor in this country. The people who really need help are the working poor, because contrary to your self aggrandising and myopic stupid view of my country, MOST people want to work and single parent or not try their hardest to make it pay. You are not a libertarian you are a bigot.

"The woman has never worked and still breeds.." what the fuck is that supposed to mean. That men bear no responsibility? That every women is a sponger ? that being a mother and working are mutually exclusive? Every time you make such an insensitive broad sweeping ignorant elitist statement you put yourself firmly in the camp of the out of touch career politician not the common working man.

I am not the only lone voice in threads like these and even if I were it would not be because I lack judgement. I will not be party to blowing smoke up your arse because you think you are some kind of expert and above the need for common decency or logical reasoning. Do you realise the amount of leeway and allowances people make for you because they think you are a bit of a character or have mental health issues?

The thread is about UK council and European elections. You do not reside in the UK. You do not vote in the UK and you do not pay tax in the UK. So why for fucks sake do you think it is OK to turn the thread into a soap box upon which you can stand and lecture UK taxpaying residents who have voted in the recent elections on what needs to be done to turn England back into the fictional crusty stuffy shit hole of your waffy yah yah youth?

I am glad the England I live in now is different to the one of my youth. I am happy to be able to live in a far more enlightened culture that which I grew up in, in the 1970's. When I was a kid wine was for Middle class families unless you meant Blue Nun and Garlic for the French. There were skinheads who went to my local youth club who ignorantly hated people they called "wogs" who actually created the haircut and Ska music that they were listening to, way before 1977, back in the 1950's . Any Asian with dark skin was routinely called Paki even though most were Indian and provided us with our national dish. Even you with your penchant for fast food would have had to put up with Wimpy which was shit.

Today on the local news they returned a 250 year old torah scroll to the Jewish community in Cornwall from the museum in which it was kept and Yids like me have actually been here in this country for hundreds of years before that. Lending money which Christians would not to set up businesses around which English communities sprang up. So the idea that all immigration is a negative thing is abhorrent to me.

Not once have I said that there is no problem with Immigration. Not once have I said that all our power and legal decisions should be governed by the EU. Not once have I said that people who vote UKIP are racist. And yet you and Kirkland have both made sweeping statements about England and Immigrants as though the solution to everbodies woes was to throw everyone out and turn back the clock as though Immigration in all it's guises had never happened.

You have never acknowledged anything positive about Europe, immigration or the resilience of the British people who pull up their socks and carry on despite the difficulties they face. It's just all negative bollocks not unlike UKIP's campaign and that way leads to nothing but blame, division and the elite at the top continuing to shit on everyone else.

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You are being a tart with this constant nonsense about lacking empathy. When dealing with facts empathy is not a requisite. It is a fact that nearly 50,000 Romanian and Bulgarian people have new national insurance numbers, it is a fact that the British people have been lied to abut Polish immigration, it is a fact that Britain is the single mum capital of Europe etc etc etc. These are all just facts, facts, facts, facts. Getting personal with me just shows that you are being cuntish and cannot handle the truth and therefore have to get personal. On that basis you are as bad as the British media which does the same with Farage. He is winning, we are scared, we must attack him and call him a cunt and a racist.

In the 1960's single mums were about 8% of the population now they are 22%. It is a serious social problem and I know single Mum's in the UK who have never even had a job or paid into the system and are going to be getting support from the system. Don't fucking lecture me or tell me I have no voice on issues that are closer to me than you think. I don't live in that cess pool of a country because the taxes I pay will go on things that I don't want to pay for. Not only banks, but wars, and lots and lots of single Mums. Not only single mums who are divorced who I have some empathy for, but teenage Mum's fresh out of school. My taxes should be paying for pensions, healthcare, and schools and infrastructure. Instead the UK has massive taxes and an expanding debt crisis because many are irresponsible and selfish and don't care about the consequences of their actions. Top to bottom, the pigs are at the trough with either legs open or massive fiscal corruption.

That is why I will never work in the UK. It is a doomed nation with absurd policies that can only mean permanent decline. There is no future in poor people breeding future welfare recipients, there is no future in massive financial fraud and a refusal to acknowledge it, there is no future in a country where hookers and cocaine now go into GDP to lie about the true state of the economy, there is no future in a country where the general will of the hard working populace is ignored, there is no future in dumbed down environment of British radio or Television, there is no future when the debt is rising exponentially, there is no future when young people either open their legs or become permanent debt slaves of the University system, there is no future when criminals are not held to account for their crimes, there is no future in a police state, there is no future in fracking, there is no future in uncontrolled immigration, there is no future in housing bubbles and a lack of affordable housing. I could go on, but the crimes are almost infinite.

Screw you, Greenbeanz. I have a right to speak, so don't tell me what to do. You want to keep it real your way and I will keep it real my way. I will say nothing positive about the European Empire which needs to fall, the messed up British society, nor the elite that continue to abuse it. I am for the hardworking people of which there are many and them alone and my arguments typically reflect that point of view. The only difference is I refuse to pay 22.5% every time I buy an album. It is abuse and because the British are ripped off paying for things that they don't want and given no choice either.

And thank you for making me angry, too. I was feeling a little lazy this morning and was going to go easy with my textbooks, but you have inspired me to really dig in and study the language hardcore today. Thank you for reminding me that I should continue single visioned on my path to freedom.

Later edit: Also, sorry for using expletives. I get angry when attacked and lose my composure as you will never attack the problems of society, but will always have time to call me bad words. I rarely hear you call fatherless single mothers 'cunts' when they literally are. I attack all the problems from top to bottom in my arguments and am so annoyed about how they treat their people that I refuse to be a part of it. I will tell the truth no matter what and that is my only objective.

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Miles get your head out of your arse you would not last 5 minutes as a single Mother and stop fucking condemning everyone you judgemental cunt. You were apparently brought up by a single Mother so have some respect and stop assuming everyone but you is a sponger. My Brother in law did History and Politics at Uni like you and he is an insufferable prick too.

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This post is a disgrace and you should be ashamed. You can attack me with all kinds of language, but not a single iota of rage for the single Mums, the undercutting immigrants, the European tax exempt Empire, the police state etc etc etc. Oh, but I am a cunt because I myself refuse to sponge off the state having rejected the shackles. You really are a piece of work.

You will attack the easy targets like the elite, but go easy on the traditional leftist elements like poor little girls and their craving for Daddy government and poor little immigrants who should be patted on the head for undercutting the ordinary worker. Please. I say they all need to be pointed out one after the other from top to bottom. Left and right be damned, what is proper needs to be brought back into fashion and that is self responsibility, family values, and a national government run for its citizens. Europeans have spoken, they too want the end of Europe and globalisation and the new world order. As for these fatherless children, the men should sign contracts and be responsible, or else abortion is there. The state can then step in and put them in prison and prisons without games systems and drugs. Proper prisons. A life is never to be gambled with and 22% of single mums attests to a lot of gambling with lives and these children are statistically going to struggle and in this age more than ever. 'Oooh, don't be mean to Daddies, you cunt' responds Greenbeanz. Seriously. Get your priorities straight. :rolleyes:

Yes I do wish the Stork would stop bringing babies to couples with no jobs or stability, I mean they have no choice in the matter at all.

[/QUOTE] You are being a tart with this constant nonsense about lacking empathy. When dealing with facts empathy is not a requisite. It is a fact that nearly 50,000 Romanian and Bulgarian people have new national insurance numbers, it is a fact that the British people have been lied to abut Polish immigration, it is a fact that Britain is the single mum capital of Europe etc etc etc. These are all just facts, facts, facts, facts. Getting personal with me just shows that you are being cuntish and cannot handle the truth and therefore have to get personal. On that basis you are as bad as the British media which does the same with Farage. He is winning, we are scared, we must attack him and call him a cunt and a racist.

In the 1960's single mums were about 8% of the population now they are 22%. It is a serious social problem and I know single Mum's in the UK who have never even had a job or paid into the system and are going to be getting support from the system. Don't fucking lecture me or tell me I have no voice on issues that are closer to me than you think. I don't live in that cess pool of a country because the taxes I pay will go on things that I don't want to pay for. Not only banks, but wars, and lots and lots of single Mums. Not only single mums who are divorced who I have some empathy for, but teenage Mum's fresh out of school. My taxes should be paying for pensions, healthcare, and schools and infrastructure. Instead the UK has massive taxes and an expanding debt crisis because many are irresponsible and selfish and don't care about the consequences of their actions. Top to bottom, the pigs are at the trough with either legs open or massive fiscal corruption.

That is why I will never work in the UK. It is a doomed nation with absurd policies that can only mean permanent decline. There is no future in poor people breeding future welfare recipients, there is no future in massive financial fraud and a refusal to acknowledge it, there is no future in a country where hookers and cocaine now go into GDP to lie about the true state of the economy, there is no future in a country where the general will of the hard working populace is ignored, there is no future in dumbed down environment of British radio or Television, there is no future when the debt is rising exponentially, there is no future when young people either open their legs or become permanent debt slaves of the University system, there is no future when criminals are not held to account for their crimes, there is no future in a police state, there is no future in fracking, there is no future in uncontrolled immigration, there is no future in housing bubbles and a lack of affordable housing. I could go on, but the crimes are almost infinite.

Screw you, Greenbeanz. I have a right to speak, so don't tell me what to do. You want to keep it real your way and I will keep it real my way. I will say nothing positive about the European Empire which needs to fall, the messed up British society, nor the elite that continue to abuse it. I am for the hardworking people of which there are many and them alone and my arguments typically reflect that point of view. The only difference is I refuse to pay 22.5% every time I buy an album. It is abuse and because the British are ripped off paying for things that they don't want and given no choice either.[/QUOTE]

I will lecture you Miles because you are an enemy of England.

You have called England "A cess pool of a country"

Empathy cuts to the gheart of the matter because you apply one rule to yourself and an entirely different one to yourself. You resent paying taxes because you are a selfish prick who resents parents.

Where is the context for your bullshit scaremongering tactics ? You suck up the krap that fucking idiots like Jim Davidson Nigel Farrage spout and pass it off like it's truth. You sound like Bernard Manning without the talent and good timing.

You refer to all single parent data as single mums

You infer that all single parents are not only single mums but single teenage mums claiming benefit

You fail to mention that the last 20 years has remained relatively unchanged and refer only to the obvious change since the 1960's


Less than 2 per cent of single parents are teenagers

• The median age of single parents is 38.1
• Around half of single parents had their children within marriage – 49 per cent are separated from marriage, divorced or widowed
• 60.2 per cent of single parents are in work, up 15.5 percentage points since 1997

but don't let facts get in the way of a good whinge


and this is where your startling lack of empathy is most apparent


Paid work is not a guaranteed route out of poverty for single parents; the poverty rate for single parent families where the parent works part time is 31 per cent, and 17 per cent where the parent works full time

• Single parent households are the most likely to be in arrears on one or more household bills, mortgage or nonmortgage borrowing commitment
• 38 per cent of single parents said that money always runs out before the end of the week/month compared to 19 per cent of couples
• 63 per cent of single parents have no savings compared to 34 per cent of couples

Gingerbread - Statistics - Research | statistics | facts and figures | exploding myths | stereotypes | single parent | work | family | unmarried | poverty | campaign

So in comparison life for you is a piece of piss. You assume all single parents want to be single and are on benefits which is clearly a nonsense


"Top to bottom, the pigs are at the trough with either legs open or massive fiscal corruption."


So basically you hate women ?


poor little girls and their craving for Daddy government


Farrage is a racist who has already made a clear distinction between his German wife whom he employs and Romanians who he has decided nobody would want moving in next door. I am not alone in thinking this most lefties musicians, artists, etc think the same thing unlike you who is touting a return to family values like some born again hypocritical preacher and at the same time portraying yourself as a radical.





I will never work in the UK. It is a doomed nation

God you are an unrelentingly miserable pessimist.

dumbed down environment of British radio or Television

it is still the best in the world leagues above anywhere else you cretin

young people either open their legs or become permanent debt slaves of the University system

so now all the young people are slags or idiots? Can you not bring yourself to say anything positive about England or the English ?

All this from somebody who pays not one pence of UK tax, Does not vote and lives in another country. And yet you are supposed to represent the voice of England ? you are indeed a self obsessed and deluded young man.

It might be fun at this point to revisit the '29 million Romanian and Bulgarians to invade London' thread. As accurate as Brock's predictions usually are.
To be fair though I'm not sure there is any discernable difference between this thread and that.

Teen pregnancies at lowest level since 1960s - Telegraph

The rise of teen pregnancies is a myth. Or at least it WAS true but is being reversed quite effectively.



http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...all-record-low

Crime at record low levels. And NOT by police stats, but the survey of 10,000 people. The best indicator we have.


http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...order-controls

"The buses will be full, the planes will be full'. Anyone want to admit to being wrong on this one?



How about some optimism for once??



*Disclaimer* I am not in favour of unchecked immigration. Nor am I in favour of no immigration at all.

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£64, 000 to be a Euro MEP

A parliament in which UKIP members generally abstain from voting

So where is your anger and ire about these spongers wasting your hard earned taxes sitting at home on the arses whilst you go to work ?

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£64, 000 to be a Euro MEP

A parliament in which UKIP members generally abstain from voting

So where is your anger and ire about these spongers wasting your hard earned taxes sitting at home on the arses whilst you go to work ?

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I don't agree with raping your wives , however some sound policies there.;)
My favourite MP is Ivor "Jest Ye Not Madame " Biggun

Amuses me that UKIP want to get out of Europe but are more powerful and have more representation as MEP's.

It is currently a cess pool of a country and that is no slight on the ordinary hard working of which there are tens of millions. They have been trained correctly, done the right things and are paying for it all top to bottom. Many of them probably quite agree with me on issues such as immigration, Europe, welfare queens and the like. I attack corruption from top to bottom with no exceptions. If you cannot see that I simply hate sloth and abuse of the system no matter who does it, then there is little I can do. Calling me the enemy and a cunt is not realistic and is clearly a mis-allocation of resources. However, I think you are smarter than that and so should stop calling me a cunt.

I am not trying to destroy Britain which I have a love/hate relationship with. I am not the Queen, Osborne, Vickie Pollard, Carney, Gary Barlow, or Jimmy Savile. I don't hurt my country. When I make attacks it is on the things that I don't like. There are many things that I do like, but I am not going to preface an attack on the bizarre breeding patterns of British teenagers or bankers with a declaration of love for The Smiths and rolling fields of green. You should know by now what things I am proud of and what things appall me. I am quite predictable on these issues and it gets tiresome for it to always boil down to 'You are just a cunt' or 'You are the enemy' which is crazy town talk. I am not preaching sharia law on street corners, I am not dictating economic apartheid on the hard working British. My arguments are because I think the hard working British are being let down from top to bottom by a system that is rotten and abusive. I stand by my arguments and think they are correct and in the interests of British people.

I know the statistics on the points I make and that is why I make the arguments. Nothing I say on issues comes from a vacuum. I read and formulate my opinions from data. When it comes to single teenage Mums I don't care if the numbers are falling slightly as compared to previous years. What concerns me is the simple fact that compared to most countries in the world Britain (and the US) have serious problems with this issue. On immigration, I look at the data and the experiment of Europe and likewise see serious problems. There are many problems and that is where my language such as 'a cess pool' comes from. There are serious issues in almost every aspects of British society and it appalls and frustrates me. Not so much for myself because I am okay, but because I do have empathy and because I can see the horror from afar.

You seem to have some image of a madman from afar taking some kind of pleasure in demise, but the opposite is true. I am ferocious in my arguments because of a frustration about the system that currently is. It is in my interests that the UK does well, but I am not delusional enough to think that I can change it. All I can do is state a point of view and that I do. I always make comparisons and though there are cultural aspects of the UK, I wouldn't mind seeing around me, there are many aspects here that I think would improve the UK. I never see teenage Mums and immigration and banking is somewhat controlled which are positives.

Anyway, sorry for saying bad words back. I usually get very angry when called a cunt and hear the empathy argument. I don't understand why I am supposed to have such empathy for people who should know better in an age of sex education, for bankers involved in derivatives scams, for a monarchy that is the biggest welfare scam. I don't do these things, so I don't know why I should feel for these people when what they do is at the expense of the other people I do actually have some empathy for which is the ordinary working person. You can't just feel sorry for everyone and make excuses for everyone, but at the same time label me the enemy. It is really unfair, when I am not actually hurting anyone.

The one point I will concede is that by not voting at all, I am extracting that one tiny bit of influence I have. It is selfish to say that I won't vote and therefore they should just leave me alone. It is a point I been thinking about a lot in recent days actually. In my defense though, 66% of the people in the UK actually made that same decision. It is much easier for them to register and vote, but I probably should try. I know I am more politically aware than many.

The relationship I have with my country is a difficult one and I am very critical, but I think the criticism is very valid. When I use angry terms like 'cess pool' it is no more angry than personal invectives of the most incendiary kind quite often used against me. 'Cess pool' is quite innocent in comparison and is used in the general too. China as a hell hole is quite apt for their environmental nightmare, but it doesn't mean I hate Chinese people who are quite nice face to face. We should be beyond this kind of discussion really and I will leave it at that.

Miles you have no interest in facts you deal only in hyperbole. I live here everyday and I do not recognise the bleak horrible picture that you paint of a cesspool of a country. You are quite obviously bitter and deluded. I love my country and love being English. Your whole doomy solopilstic maudlin angst is much like your hero Morrisey, you obviously have your reasons and are entitled to your opinion,(and it is merely that, an opinion not even based on facts) but in Mozza's case it is nothing more that an indication of the fraud that he has become or perhaps always was. The miserable cunt that he is, like Connery, lives outside of the England that he supposedly loved because he thinks the Chinese are a sub species, hates immigration and most tellingly of all wants England to never change and be some dull backwards Northern shit hole form the brown 1970's so that he can continue to moan about it. I will not subscribe to that attitude or the lazy thinking that prompts it.

The horror you speak of from afar, is I am afraid, mostly your own terror at growing old and more conservative by the day. You see teenage mums as a huge problem in Britain because you project that image from your own prejudices and literally turn away from all the facts that contradict such a myth. Life is hard, and unimaginably so for many people less fortunate than you or I, but Britain is still a much more desirable place to live than many places the world over.

There is nothing deluded about what I say though, Greenbeanz.

It is commonly observed in the mainstream media that Britain has become corrupted in most areas of the establishment. I see even at Bilderberg we have the Chancellor AND vice Chancellor attending the same top secret meeting and Balls even getting held up outside carrying swathes of documents. Now, what on earth are these people doing behind closed doors? These are supposedly opponents, but it is easy to connect the dots when you are supremely deluded. From central banking (ZIRP and QE), to single parents, to housing bubbles, to illegal wars, to destroying the middle class, to immigration, to student debt, to the police state, to expanding national debt etc. If you don't think these things are real and serious, then what can I say? Many of these things did not exist as they do when you were young and they were just getting going when I was young and now they are in full flow.

It is a nightmare, and for you not to think it is massive and serious, would suggest that maybe you are a little bit deluded yourself. I am awake and I am observing closely. None of those issues above are with me and becoming conservative. I am fine with the aspects of myself that are becoming conservative, but that has nothing to do with a police state, or young people with a lifetime of servitude, or illegal wars, or immigration control. Making it personal with me is just a distraction. I am not your enemy. It doesn't matter where I am politically as I don't care about such divides. The people who are doing the things listed in the policies above are the enemy.

I am left and right and a bit in between. I am like testicles dangling merry and free, but I know that is a penis in front and I don't like its form (note: attempt at humour)

You were born and bred in this country so show appreciation. The issues you talk about happen everywhere even where you live now.

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You were born and bred in this country so show appreciation. The issues you talk about happen everywhere even where you live now.

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No, Master. I have to disagree. I was raised to believe that the world of 1984 was a fiction and not a reality. That fact alone astonishes me. It has become reality and I won't sugarcoat it.

The UK (and America) are demented and the logic of the world says as much. I like cricket, but that doesn't mean that I am going to lie about immigration, property, and taxes. The Brits are being fleeced and should be angry. There is nothing deluded in a pure wave of rage amongst the youth.

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You were born and bred in this country so show appreciation. The issues you talk about happen everywhere even where you live now.

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No, Master. I have to disagree. I was raised to believe that the world of 1984 was a fiction and not a reality. That fact alone astonishes me. It has become reality and I won't sugarcoat it.

The UK (and America) are demented and the logic of the world says as much. I like cricket, but that doesn't mean that I am going to lie about immigration, property, and taxes. The Brits are being fleeced and should be angry. There is nothing deluded in a pure wave of rage amongst the youth.

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Stop already. Stop telling people what they should be. I work here in the UK with young people and the pure wave of rage you talk about is yours and yours alone. Of course Governments are corrupt and have been long before either of us were born but that does not mean you can fill an entire thread about the recent elections with your own personal ranting on things, which in reality, have very little bearing on your own life. Stop dismissing other people's conclusions and opinions simply because of your 'research' or on the strength of 'data' you have collected whilst all the time completely ignoring the facts that Ryanman and myself have presented to you.

I am sorry if I have attacked you personally but your whole attitude is preposterous and is impossible to meet with rationality. You are mixing up a carefully considered opinion that is very different from your own, one that reacts in understandable shock at people's unwitting acceptance of a political party father to the right and more conservative than the corrupt elite funded Tory party in power, with an unthinking naivety and acceptance of the presented facts by traditional media. I am not a dullard or a sheep and have not only been aware of, and created work in response to, secret societies like the Bilderbergs and Rothschilds, but have also highlighted worrying trends like covert Government and company surveillance literally, years ago.

I will not be party to remaining silent while UKIP seek to increase taxes on the poor and defend those further to the right than the current Government and corrupt bankers that have already lined their own pockets at our expense. I will not shut up when they seek to dismantle the NHS. I will not take the easy road of condemning and over simplifying the facts by blaming all Britain's troubles on Immigration and single mothers whilst the fat cats lick the cream off their paws and sit at home on a £64,000 salary instead of defending Britain and it's workers in the Parliament they have been elected to.

Without wanting to needlessly insult you, You sound like a little boy who has just discovered that the Punch and Judy puppets are just that, puppets and that it is a man who has been saying

"thats the way to do it"

and bashing a sausage stealing crocodile with a truncheon all along. You are eager to tell all the other boys but they already know, and have done for some time.


You say you do not believe in patriotism or any such silly jingoistic nonsense and then go on to draw clear distinctions between not only nationalities, but classes of people and even sexes, as though everyone should behave like you, and all be university educated, and get married but have no kids, and if they are in anyway different then they must be irresponsible or lazy or stealing the jobs of others.

Go and start your own thread about how England has disappointed you by not remaining frozen in time like a mouldy sausage roll from Gregs, suspended in formaldehyde like some limp reminder of a golden age that never was and an England that never existed.

I've always told the truth. I don't owe you any special explanations. From top to bottom I will spill blood. I don't care less about popular appeal or fun, I care about being honest at the point in time. If it isn't what you like then so be it. If it is, then so be it. You can play these games about enemies or cunts, but I think it is pathetic. And it makes me angry. I don't like it.

I'm not playing a game. I am annoyed with the UK, but I do still have interests just as strong as yours. That is my anger. It is seemingly impossible to educate these people.

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I've always told the truth. I don't owe you any special explanations. From top to bottom I will spill blood. I don't care less about popular appeal or fun, I care about being honest at the point in time. If it isn't what you like then so be it. If it is, then so be it. You can play these games about enemies or cunts, but I think it is pathetic. And it makes me angry. I don't like it.

I'm not playing a game. I am annoyed with the UK, but I do still have interests just as strong as yours. That is my anger. It is seemingly impossible to educate these people.

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The difference is, I do something about it. I will march in the streets. I will communicate to the world. I will undertake the previously untenable position of walking into a polling both and making my mark. You sit at home and rant.

You will never have interests as strong as mine because this England is not only the place of my birth, this green and pleasant land is the home and birthplace of my children and my Grandchildren. I will never refer to others as, 'these people', and yet it is my job to help educate people here in England where I live. I am not playing a game my friend and you have just handed in all of your cards.

I can see this post going where it's going but I have to get it out quickly. GB, you clown, I don't think you are a sheep at all, but sometimes I do. Just look at the realities of house ownership or student debt. You know the system is ruining young people. It is evil. No excuses. It is rotten and evil.

Otherwise, sell me your house for 80,000 pounds.

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I've always told the truth. I don't owe you any special explanations. From top to bottom I will spill blood. I don't care less about popular appeal or fun, I care about being honest at the point in time. If it isn't what you like then so be it. If it is, then so be it. You can play these games about enemies or cunts, but I think it is pathetic. And it makes me angry. I don't like it.

I'm not playing a game. I am annoyed with the UK, but I do still have interests just as strong as yours. That is my anger. It is seemingly impossible to educate these people.

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The country you live in which you pay you taxes has it own and in some cases same problems.

I am sure there is a south korian teaching in the UK sprouting the same arguments you are putting about his country.

A vote for UKIP in next years election, would be for a party that wants to get rid of the NHS, Public
services they are nothing more, than Tory EU haters to be honest most people voted for UKIP
as a protest vote. Look at there policies what they stand for just a bunch of cunts, more rich
bastards lording it over us.

That last post might have sounded evil without the post of GB before it. I am not offering to buy his house. I would like to but I wont. I don't think any English home is worth 80,000 pounds. They try to lie, but it is lies. Lots of lies in that country.That is my main point. History will prove me correct.