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Re: American confederate flag
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Originally Posted by
El Kabong
Kirkland, I'm not debating you. Slaves of the Confederacy were freed in 1863 under the Emancipation Proclamation...the war continued on for 2 more years. 2 more years where border states STILL had slavery. Again, this isn't a debate this is a fucking history lesson you twat.
More isolated geographically, Texas was not a battleground, and thus its slaves were not affected by the Emancipation Proclamation unless they escaped.[6] Planters and other slaveholders had migrated into Texas from eastern states to escape the fighting, and many brought their slaves with them, increasing by the thousands the number of slaves in the state at the end of the Civil War.[7]
By 1865, there were an estimated 250,000 slaves in Texas.[7] As news of end of the war moved slowly, it did not reach Texas until May 1865, and the Army of the Trans-Mississippi did not surrender until June 2.[7] On June 18, 1865, Union General Gordon Granger arrived at Galveston Island with 2,000 federal troops to occupy Texas on behalf of the federal government.[6] On June 19, standing on the balcony of Galveston's Ashton Villa, Granger read aloud the contents of "General Order No. 3", announcing the total emancipation of slaves: The people of Texas are informed that, in accordance with a proclamation from the Executive of the United States, all slaves are free. This involves an absolute equality of personal rights and rights of property between former masters and slaves, and the connection heretofore existing between them becomes that between employer and hired labor. The
freedmen are advised to remain quietly at their present homes and work for wages. They are informed that they will not be allowed to collect at military posts and that they will not be supported in idleness either there or elsewhere.
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Emancipation Day celebration in Richmond, Virginia in 1905
Former slaves in Galveston rejoiced in the streets after the announcement, although in the years afterward many struggled to work through the changes against resistance of whites. But, the following year, freedmen organized the first of what became annual celebrations of Juneteenth in Texas.[8] Barred in some cities from using public parks because of state-sponsored segregation of facilities, across parts of Texas, freed people pooled their funds to purchase land to hold their celebrations, such as Houston's Emancipation Park, Mexia's Booker T. Washington Park, and Emancipation Park in Austin.[7][8]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juneteenth
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If my neighbour were a Nazi I would much rather he flew a swastika so that I knew who he and his friends were. Give them enough rope and all that. The trouble is that most of those who are intent on being offensive and parading how outrageous and free they are by flaunting conventions are often the same people who whine like pussys when you confront them. Trying to ban them is the attention they want. Feeble cunts.
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The Nazi flag is vile, but the more I learn I tend to find many flags conjure up similar connotations. Maybe the people wanting these flags are associating with different things. For instance, Beanz, if you wave a Union Jack it will likely be for positive reasons whilst I am seeing monarchy, occupation and war. In that sense we are both right based on what we perceive. I just struggle to get enraged on a topic like this and think US media and politics has once again gone slightly mad.
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I don't have much positive to say about the Nazis but they did have snappy uniforms.
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
The Nazi flag is vile, but the more I learn I tend to find many flags conjure up similar connotations. Maybe the people wanting these flags are associating with different things. For instance, Beanz, if you wave a Union Jack it will likely be for positive reasons whilst I am seeing monarchy, occupation and war. In that sense we are both right based on what we perceive. I just struggle to get enraged on a topic like this and think US media and politics has once again gone slightly mad.
Not at all. Firstly you are assuming I am the type of person to be waving a Union Jack about. Not being ashamed of being English and being blindly patriotic, just like the Union Jack and the Swastika, are in no way interchangeable.
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walrus
I don't have much positive to say about the Nazis but they did have snappy uniforms.
The Hitler mustache never really came into fashion. I think he may have killed Charlie Chaplins career.
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Originally Posted by
Greenbeanz
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
The Nazi flag is vile, but the more I learn I tend to find many flags conjure up similar connotations. Maybe the people wanting these flags are associating with different things. For instance, Beanz, if you wave a Union Jack it will likely be for positive reasons whilst I am seeing monarchy, occupation and war. In that sense we are both right based on what we perceive. I just struggle to get enraged on a topic like this and think US media and politics has once again gone slightly mad.
Not at all. Firstly you are assuming I am the type of person to be waving a Union Jack about. Not being ashamed of being English and being blindly patriotic, just like the Union Jack and the Swastika, are in no way interchangeable.
Back on topic though, a flag is still just a flag. I don't understand why it would upset people or have people wanting them banned. It is a very PC attitude to be having or even somewhat Nazi too! And I am not saying that is you, so don't get angry. That is more Master. Pretty hardcore. Not that he is a Nazi or anything like that. :)
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For the record I am off the hardcore
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walrus
I don't have much positive to say about the Nazis but they did have snappy uniforms.
Hugo Boss designed them.
Brooks Brothers designed Teddy Roosevelt's uniform for the Spanish American War.
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
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Originally Posted by
Greenbeanz
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
The Nazi flag is vile, but the more I learn I tend to find many flags conjure up similar connotations. Maybe the people wanting these flags are associating with different things. For instance, Beanz, if you wave a Union Jack it will likely be for positive reasons whilst I am seeing monarchy, occupation and war. In that sense we are both right based on what we perceive. I just struggle to get enraged on a topic like this and think US media and politics has once again gone slightly mad.
Not at all. Firstly you are assuming I am the type of person to be waving a Union Jack about. Not being ashamed of being English and being blindly patriotic, just like the Union Jack and the Swastika, are in no way interchangeable.
Back on topic though, a flag is still just a flag. I don't understand why it would upset people or have people wanting them banned. It is a very PC attitude to be having or even somewhat Nazi too! And I am not saying that is you, so don't get angry. That is more Master. Pretty hardcore. Not that he is a Nazi or anything like that. :)
Again I am not even remotely angry ;D Jesus it's hard work having to climb a slope before people can even take a post as coming from a flat place.
So Back on topic. I agree it is a PC attitude to want to ban a flag but if you can not understand why it may upset people then that is simply because you have not been directly affected. If members of you own family had been killed by Nazi's, which is the case for many European Jews, than of course you would be upset. But again the Union Jack for all the behaviour under colonialism, is not a simple equivalent flag as the swastika. You can only argue that if you ignore huge historical facts, the same thing you are blaming blindly patriotic people of doing.
So while everybody should have the right to fly whatever flag they want they can not then be surprised if people treat them differently or draw what may even be false conclusions from this. To argue for free speech and then throw your toys out of the pram and insist any challenge or disagreement resulting from that is more important than the expression itself, is far more dangerous than any perceived PC like behavior.
It's a stupid argument. The oft repeated idea that people do not have the right to be offended, and if they do they must be ultra PC sheep or bed wetting liberals. It just reveals a pomposity and arrogance from the person insisting on the right to do so. It is tantamount to saying "My argument has no merit and so I will accuse you of being PC because that is my get out of jail card". It is as though treating people with respect and not being mysogonistic or racist or homophobic or ignorant was a much missed era. Rose tinted glasses where people pretend calling a black person a coon or nigger, or calling any Asian a Paki, or Gay people fagots, or Sikh's or arabs ragheads is supposedly the same as calling a spade a spade.
"Oh , I am not PC myself I call a spade a spade" as though we are all supposed to marvel at their rebelliousness and intransigence, unwilling as they are to leave the comfort of the stone age. That is real wet paper bag stuff. Someone so limp and childlike that they think not only is it clever to use terms that are stupid and offensive, but then to use the exact same argument that real sufferers of politically correct syndrome employ to try and shut down the debate.
And am not angry or addressing you. You dumb ass korean cracker
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For the record, the American media's recent attention to the confederate flag was to divert the attention that Christians abroad didn't unite when a racist shot up a church.
The scheme was to make it seem like the confederate flag was his rationale.
To this day few here have spoken on the nine Christians who died in a church by a person who claimed racism. The most silent ones in America are indeed the Christians.
Operation was a success.
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Re: American confederate flag
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Originally Posted by
SlimTrae
For the record, the American media's recent attention to the confederate flag was to divert the attention that Christians abroad didn't unite when a racist shot up a church.
The scheme was to make it seem like the confederate flag was his rationale.
To this day few here have spoken on the nine Christians who died in a church by a person who claimed racism. The most silent ones in America are indeed the Christians.
Operation was a success.
There does seem to strange, the bible belt south seems to have said very little about, this shit
bag killing people who were showing him kindness, Christians indeed.!!!!!!!
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Re: American confederate flag
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Originally Posted by
Dia bando
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Originally Posted by
SlimTrae
For the record, the American media's recent attention to the confederate flag was to divert the attention that Christians abroad didn't unite when a racist shot up a church.
The scheme was to make it seem like the confederate flag was his rationale.
To this day few here have spoken on the nine Christians who died in a church by a person who claimed racism. The most silent ones in America are indeed the Christians.
Operation was a success.
There does seem to strange, the bible belt south seems to have said very little about, this shit
bag killing people who were showing him kindness, Christians indeed.!!!!!!!
This was not a mass Christian conspiracy, it was a lone deranged racist gunmen not motivated by Christianity but hate. I think the only thing the shooting relates to Christians is the dude was nuts enough to find his targets at his church.the city where it happened expressed forgiveness for the shooter, what is it you would like to see us do.
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Re: American confederate flag
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Originally Posted by
Greenbeanz
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
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Originally Posted by
Greenbeanz
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
The Nazi flag is vile, but the more I learn I tend to find many flags conjure up similar connotations. Maybe the people wanting these flags are associating with different things. For instance, Beanz, if you wave a Union Jack it will likely be for positive reasons whilst I am seeing monarchy, occupation and war. In that sense we are both right based on what we perceive. I just struggle to get enraged on a topic like this and think US media and politics has once again gone slightly mad.
Not at all. Firstly you are assuming I am the type of person to be waving a Union Jack about. Not being ashamed of being English and being blindly patriotic, just like the Union Jack and the Swastika, are in no way interchangeable.
Back on topic though, a flag is still just a flag. I don't understand why it would upset people or have people wanting them banned. It is a very PC attitude to be having or even somewhat Nazi too! And I am not saying that is you, so don't get angry. That is more Master. Pretty hardcore. Not that he is a Nazi or anything like that. :)
Again I am not even remotely angry ;D Jesus it's hard work having to climb a slope before people can even take a post as coming from a flat place.
So Back on topic. I agree it is a PC attitude to want to ban a flag but if you can not understand why it may upset people then that is simply because you have not been directly affected. If members of you own family had been killed by Nazi's, which is the case for many European Jews, than of course you would be upset. But again the Union Jack for all the behaviour under colonialism, is not a simple equivalent flag as the swastika. You can only argue that if you ignore huge historical facts, the same thing you are blaming blindly patriotic people of doing.
So while everybody should have the right to fly whatever flag they want they can not then be surprised if people treat them differently or draw what may even be false conclusions from this. To argue for free speech and then throw your toys out of the pram and insist any challenge or disagreement resulting from that is more important than the expression itself, is far more dangerous than any perceived PC like behavior.
It's a stupid argument. The oft repeated idea that people do not have the right to be offended, and if they do they must be ultra PC sheep or bed wetting liberals. It just reveals a pomposity and arrogance from the person insisting on the right to do so. It is tantamount to saying
"My argument has no merit and so I will accuse you of being PC because that is my get out of jail card". It is as though treating people with respect and not being mysogonistic or racist or homophobic or ignorant was a much missed era. Rose tinted glasses where people pretend calling a black person a coon or nigger, or calling any Asian a Paki, or Gay people fagots, or Sikh's or arabs ragheads is supposedly the same as calling a spade a spade.
"Oh , I am not PC myself I call a spade a spade" as though we are all supposed to marvel at their rebelliousness and intransigence, unwilling as they are to leave the comfort of the stone age. That is real wet paper bag stuff. Someone so limp and childlike that they think not only is it clever to use terms that are stupid and offensive, but then to use the exact same argument that real sufferers of politically correct syndrome employ to try and shut down the debate.
And am not angry or addressing you. You dumb ass korean cracker
What on earth are you going on about? I don't like flags, I don't like Nazi's, think gay people should marry, and I don't believe in God and I think that about sums it all up for me. You will disagree with me, NV will disagree with me and I will say that is alright by me, you bunch of oddball's; me included.
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Miles if you can not see why a swastika might upset people then you are not really engaging in a debate. You are just digging your heels in and refusing to see reason. You can entrench yourself there for as long as you like but your argument holds little merit until you can verify such a dumb statement. That does not mean people should be banned from flying a swastika, but you can not expect to be taken seriously when you continue to insist that there is no reason for flying that flag to upset people. The freedom to offend is a right that I am seriously invested in defending, but that does not remove the right for people to be offended.
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Nah, I have stated all along that I think all flags are silly and so I don't understand how I am entrenched. All I say is that I think freedom of expression is paramount. Can you disagree with someone? Sure. Can you have a Nazi flag? Sure. I think you would have to be very odd to be into Nazi's, but there are odd people out there. All you can do is educate people and refuse to associate with such a person if they are so offensive to you. Once you start censoring you quickly find you cannot say anything and governments manipulate this all the time. For instance harrassment law in the UK is meant to stop actual harrassment but is used to go after free speech. I really don't think it is a good idea to go down authoritarian paths. That is where books get burned and freedom of expression is lost. It is closer than people think.
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I don't particularly want to be offensive myself but can and will be. People can call out oddities and discuss them, but we agree that banning is extreme too.
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Re: American confederate flag
Context
So last week in Britain, Britain First, the far right group who misleadingly present themselves as patriotic, attack Comedian Jason Manford, who is about as mainstream as you can get. Why ?
Because he decided to delete some facebook friends who post and forward their propaganda. They (Britain First) attack him for branding them racist and then go on to respond by posting a photo of unfunny comedian Jason Manford, and funny comedian Ross Noble, in front of a swastika flag with the caption
"How is it 'racist' to oppose a multi-racial religion whose adherents include black, white, Asian and Oriental people? Is it 'racist' to oppose Islamic extremism? "Any man who thinks Nazism is funny is a disgrace."
;D
Manford responds with "No, Nazism isn't funny, but Mel Brooks' 'The Producers Musical' is.
Because he is appearing in Mel Brooks musical with Noble.
So obviously parodying Nazism in a show or film like that is not the same as flying a Nazi flag outside your house. I mean in a way that would be display quite a Jewish sense of humour, if the resident was a non-gentile, but in all likely hood that would more likely be an insensitive prick, trying to make a point. Now if that angered residents both Jewish and non-Jewish in the neighborhood to confront him, ( after all many, many Christians in Britain died fighting the bastards) then maybe he would see things differently. So their right to be offended would actually have produced some good.
Meanwhile Britain First's right to be offended reveals the simple mindedness at the heart of all their propaganda.
You will remember that many Punks played with Nazi imagery and wanted to provoke and offend. They never encountered PC attitudes until they went to America where in huge parts of the media, there was an irony and complexity failure, that meant they just could not process it. That American PC attitude is still there at the heart of those who insist on only seeing things as black and white. So the right to offend is not synonymous with the right to employ that right willy nilly, without ever having to expect it to be challenged.
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Context has completely been destroyed now a days by these righteously indignant morons.
Anyone who says "(Insert subject here) is NEVER funny" is a tool. ANYTHING can be funny, and nothing should be off the table IMO.
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Seems odd to me that it took an act of brutal murder to give that flag its exit papers. Claiming it as some southern cross is like hanging a Nazi flag in a state in Israel and claiming its a symbol of National Socialism.
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For the Hindus and Buddhists in India and other Asian countries, the swastika was an important symbol for many thousands of years and, to this day, the symbol can still be seen in abundance - on temples, buses, taxis, and on the cover of books. It was also used in Ancient Greece and can be found in the remains of the ancient city of Troy, which existed 4,000 years ago. The ancient Druids and the Celts also used the symbol, reflected in many artifacts that have been discovered. It was used by Nordic tribes and even early Christians used the Swastika as one of their symbols, including the Teutonic Knights, a German medieval military order, which became a purely religious Catholic Order.
Even with that history, you dont see neighbourhoods at least in the Western world dawning that symbol outside of the nutbar skinheads and white supremacists.
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IamInuit
Seems odd to me that it took an act of brutal murder to give that flag its exit papers. Claiming it as some southern cross is like hanging a Nazi flag in a state in Israel and claiming its a symbol of National Socialism.
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For the Hindus and Buddhists in India and other Asian countries, the swastika was an important symbol for many thousands of years and, to this day, the symbol can still be seen in abundance - on temples, buses, taxis, and on the cover of books. It was also used in Ancient Greece and can be found in the remains of the ancient city of Troy, which existed 4,000 years ago. The ancient Druids and the Celts also used the symbol, reflected in many artifacts that have been discovered. It was used by Nordic tribes and even early Christians used the Swastika as one of their symbols, including the Teutonic Knights, a German medieval military order, which became a purely religious Catholic Order.
Even with that history, you dont see neighbourhoods at least in the Western world dawning that symbol outside of the nutbar skinheads and white supremacists.
Oddly, it was a Christian church in his home town where Hitler first saw the symbol which would come to be called the swastika. It is still there today.
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Originally Posted by
walrus
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Originally Posted by
Dia bando
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Originally Posted by
SlimTrae
For the record, the American media's recent attention to the confederate flag was to divert the attention that Christians abroad didn't unite when a racist shot up a church.
The scheme was to make it seem like the confederate flag was his rationale.
To this day few here have spoken on the nine Christians who died in a church by a person who claimed racism. The most silent ones in America are indeed the Christians.
Operation was a success.
There does seem to strange, the bible belt south seems to have said very little about, this shit
bag killing people who were showing him kindness, Christians indeed.!!!!!!!
This was not a mass Christian conspiracy
So it has to be more than nine people for Christians to rise up? Have you seen the photos of so many whites who stood with this church? Probably Liberals, atheists, agnostics, heck maybe even scientology members. They didn't need a conspiracy to show their disdain for killing in the house of the Lord, be it ten killers or one.
, it was a lone deranged racist gunmen not motivated by Christianity but hate.
Have you even listened to or read what he himself said was the reason? Hatred of a race of people is indeed racism, yet you would claim hate-Period? OK. His hatred of what?
I think the only thing the shooting relates to Christians is the dude was nuts enough to find his targets at his church
Agree. He could have went to any of the many many many white churches if he wanted to kill Christians. But he chose a black church. He planned it. Even prayed with them. Nutty people don't have that kind of restraint: But I'd say evil people with the intent of starting a race war would or could do. Wether be succeeded is irrelevant.what is relevant was his intent. The Klan applauded him so,too did branches of Neo Nazis. They saw the racist in him-but not you? You inject the hate several times, but racism..can only be used in the term of(lone) then call people out on this board when Floyd or Ali or Holmes or Jesse Jackson are called racist here...make sure you tell the posters...They are (lone) racist,cool?
.the city where it happened expressed forgiveness for the shooter, what is it you would like to see us do.
The city expressed forgiveness, but not the churches, pastors, ministers, preachers let alone Christians.
. They have no need to say anything but...what do you expect from us...if you really have to ask.....Damn....
Different decade, different era different millennium. Same ignorant religion
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Re: American confederate flag
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Originally Posted by
SlimTrae
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Originally Posted by
walrus
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Originally Posted by
Dia bando
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Originally Posted by
SlimTrae
For the record, the American media's recent attention to the confederate flag was to divert the attention that Christians abroad didn't unite when a racist shot up a church.
The scheme was to make it seem like the confederate flag was his rationale.
To this day few here have spoken on the nine Christians who died in a church by a person who claimed racism. The most silent ones in America are indeed the Christians.
Operation was a success.
There does seem to strange, the bible belt south seems to have said very little about, this shit
bag killing people who were showing him kindness, Christians indeed.!!!!!!!
This was not a mass Christian conspiracy
So it has to be more than nine people for Christians to rise up? Have you seen the photos of so many whites who stood with this church? Probably Liberals, atheists, agnostics, heck maybe even scientology members. They didn't need a conspiracy to show their disdain for killing in the house of the Lord, be it ten killers or one.
, it was a lone deranged racist gunmen not motivated by Christianity but hate.
Have you even listened to or read what he himself said was the reason? Hatred of a race of people is indeed racism, yet you would claim hate-Period? OK. His hatred of what?
I think the only thing the shooting relates to Christians is the dude was nuts enough to find his targets at his church
Agree. He could have went to any of the many many many white churches if he wanted to kill Christians. But he chose a black church. He planned it. Even prayed with them. Nutty people don't have that kind of restraint: But I'd say evil people with the intent of starting a race war would or could do. Wether be succeeded is irrelevant.what is relevant was his intent. The Klan applauded him so,too did branches of Neo Nazis. They saw the racist in him-but not you? You inject the hate several times, but racism..can only be used in the term of(lone) then call people out on this board when Floyd or Ali or Holmes or Jesse Jackson are called racist here...make sure you tell the posters...They are (lone) racist,cool?
.the city where it happened expressed forgiveness for the shooter, what is it you would like to see us do.
The city expressed forgiveness, but not the churches, pastors, ministers, preachers let alone Christians.
. They have no need to say anything but...what do you expect from us...if you really have to ask.....Damn....
Different decade, different era different millennium. Same ignorant religion
I'm sorry, you lost me with the calling people out about Jesse Jackson stuff. Yes, this guy was full of hatred, he was a racist. I just don't know what you want us to do other than pray for the families and react with disgust over these unbalanced people who commit these acts. Is this one different than Sandy Hook where so many little white kills were killed or Virginia Tech. Right or wrong I don't inject race in these horrible acts, I think they are just sick people.
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Originally Posted by
walrus
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Originally Posted by
SlimTrae
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Originally Posted by
walrus
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Originally Posted by
Dia bando
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Originally Posted by
SlimTrae
For the record, the American media's recent attention to the confederate flag was to divert the attention that Christians abroad didn't unite when a racist shot up a church.
The scheme was to make it seem like the confederate flag was his rationale.
To this day few here have spoken on the nine Christians who died in a church by a person who claimed racism. The most silent ones in America are indeed the Christians.
Operation was a success.
There does seem to strange, the bible belt south seems to have said very little about, this shit
bag killing people who were showing him kindness, Christians indeed.!!!!!!!
This was not a mass Christian conspiracy
So it has to be more than nine people for Christians to rise up? Have you seen the photos of so many whites who stood with this church? Probably Liberals, atheists, agnostics, heck maybe even scientology members. They didn't need a conspiracy to show their disdain for killing in the house of the Lord, be it ten killers or one.
, it was a lone deranged racist gunmen not motivated by Christianity but hate.
Have you even listened to or read what he himself said was the reason? Hatred of a race of people is indeed racism, yet you would claim hate-Period? OK. His hatred of what?
I think the only thing the shooting relates to Christians is the dude was nuts enough to find his targets at his church
Agree. He could have went to any of the many many many white churches if he wanted to kill Christians. But he chose a black church. He planned it. Even prayed with them. Nutty people don't have that kind of restraint: But I'd say evil people with the intent of starting a race war would or could do. Wether be succeeded is irrelevant.what is relevant was his intent. The Klan applauded him so,too did branches of Neo Nazis. They saw the racist in him-but not you? You inject the hate several times, but racism..can only be used in the term of(lone) then call people out on this board when Floyd or Ali or Holmes or Jesse Jackson are called racist here...make sure you tell the posters...They are (lone) racist,cool?
.the city where it happened expressed forgiveness for the shooter, what is it you would like to see us do.
The city expressed forgiveness, but not the churches, pastors, ministers, preachers let alone Christians.
. They have no need to say anything but...what do you expect from us...if you really have to ask.....Damn....
Different decade, different era different millennium. Same ignorant religion
I'm sorry, you lost me with the calling people out about Jesse Jackson stuff. Yes, this guy was full of hatred, he was a racist. I just don't know what you want us to do other than pray for the families and react with disgust over these unbalanced people who commit these acts. Is this one different than Sandy Hook where so many little white kills were killed or Virginia Tech. Right or wrong I don't inject race in these horrible acts, I think they are just sick people.
I injected Jesse...to give you an out.
You took it.
Ask greenz...if he wants he'll tell u that was what I edited.....
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Originally Posted by
SlimTrae
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Originally Posted by
walrus
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Originally Posted by
SlimTrae
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Originally Posted by
walrus
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Originally Posted by
Dia bando
Quote:
Originally Posted by
SlimTrae
For the record, the American media's recent attention to the confederate flag was to divert the attention that Christians abroad didn't unite when a racist shot up a church.
The scheme was to make it seem like the confederate flag was his rationale.
To this day few here have spoken on the nine Christians who died in a church by a person who claimed racism. The most silent ones in America are indeed the Christians.
Operation was a success.
There does seem to strange, the bible belt south seems to have said very little about, this shit
bag killing people who were showing him kindness, Christians indeed.!!!!!!!
This was not a mass Christian conspiracy
So it has to be more than nine people for Christians to rise up? Have you seen the photos of so many whites who stood with this church? Probably Liberals, atheists, agnostics, heck maybe even scientology members. They didn't need a conspiracy to show their disdain for killing in the house of the Lord, be it ten killers or one.
, it was a lone deranged racist gunmen not motivated by Christianity but hate.
Have you even listened to or read what he himself said was the reason? Hatred of a race of people is indeed racism, yet you would claim hate-Period? OK. His hatred of what?
I think the only thing the shooting relates to Christians is the dude was nuts enough to find his targets at his church
Agree. He could have went to any of the many many many white churches if he wanted to kill Christians. But he chose a black church. He planned it. Even prayed with them. Nutty people don't have that kind of restraint: But I'd say evil people with the intent of starting a race war would or could do. Wether be succeeded is irrelevant.what is relevant was his intent. The Klan applauded him so,too did branches of Neo Nazis. They saw the racist in him-but not you? You inject the hate several times, but racism..can only be used in the term of(lone) then call people out on this board when Floyd or Ali or Holmes or Jesse Jackson are called racist here...make sure you tell the posters...They are (lone) racist,cool?
.the city where it happened expressed forgiveness for the shooter, what is it you would like to see us do.
The city expressed forgiveness, but not the churches, pastors, ministers, preachers let alone Christians.
. They have no need to say anything but...what do you expect from us...if you really have to ask.....Damn....
Different decade, different era different millennium. Same ignorant religion
I'm sorry, you lost me with the calling people out about Jesse Jackson stuff. Yes, this guy was full of hatred, he was a racist. I just don't know what you want us to do other than pray for the families and react with disgust over these unbalanced people who commit these acts. Is this one different than Sandy Hook where so many little white kills were killed or Virginia Tech. Right or wrong I don't inject race in these horrible acts, I think they are just sick people.
I injected Jesse...to give you an out.
You took it.
Ask greenz...if he wants he'll tell u that was what I edited.....
Wasn't looking for an out. Just trying to see where you where going. I have no need to consult someone else to find what you are getting at, if and when you feel up to it, you can tell me.
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The point was made. you just decided to start of with...
You lost me there...
You responded with the Jesse post. I baited my hook because u haven't responded to any of my other posts here. My oft repeated statement here was..how the confederate flag discussion is being used to quiet down the American discussion of how so many claim racism don't exist. Then when it does...well that was just one person.
This isn't my first post on this thread.... so the fact that you responded to my claims or assertions 7 pages later... are very telling in what you will engage and or disengage in.
7 pages later, the Jesse thread u responded to. But it wasn't an out...
Ok, well when you weren't lost...
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SlimTrae
The point was made. you just decided to start of with...
You lost me there...
You responded with the Jesse post. I baited my hook because u haven't responded to any of my other posts here. My oft repeated statement here was..how the confederate flag discussion is being used to quiet down the American discussion of how so many claim racism don't exist. Then when it does...well that was just one person.
This isn't my first post on this thread.... so the fact that you responded to my claims or assertions 7 pages later... are very telling in what you will engage and or disengage in.
7 pages later, the Jesse thread u responded to. But it wasn't an out...
Ok, well when you weren't lost...
You seem to think I have thoughts in my mind that I don't. I asked for your opinion on the flag then I thanked or in not so many words. I never said racism doesn't exist. My wife is non Caucasian and I hear little snide remarks from time to time, I must stress not that often but it happens. My main point with this thread, going back to the beginning, was that I thought the state's should decide if they want the flag or not. I can't remember what was posted seven pages back, Jackson is kind of cool it's Sharpton that drives me nuts. I don't know if at this point you are calling me a racist, we all have our prejudice but I like to think I interact with equal respect to all my brethren, you are free to think other.
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hahaaaahaa.....No need to give your resume. Does this mean I can't privately p.m. you and say you are a cool mofo? Even if you are a dang tootin' conservative! I won't tell Sharpton if you don't tell Limbaugh!?;D
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hahaaaahaa.....No need to give your resume. Does this mean I can't privately p.m. you and say you are a cool mofo? Even if you are a dang tootin' conservative! I won't tell Sharpton if you don't tell Limbaugh!?;D
You my friend can PM me anytime. I do like rush Limbaugh, but partly because I find him funny. I'm a registered independent but lean conservative. The threads seem to be going all over the place lately. It's fine but I work fourty hours in three days and I think my brain is mush.
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Seems odd to me that it took an act of brutal murder to give that flag its exit papers. Claiming it as some southern cross is like hanging a Nazi flag in a state in Israel and claiming its a symbol of National Socialism.
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For the Hindus and Buddhists in India and other Asian countries, the swastika was an important symbol for many thousands of years and, to this day, the symbol can still be seen in abundance - on temples, buses, taxis, and on the cover of books. It was also used in Ancient Greece and can be found in the remains of the ancient city of Troy, which existed 4,000 years ago. The ancient Druids and the Celts also used the symbol, reflected in many artifacts that have been discovered. It was used by Nordic tribes and even early Christians used the Swastika as one of their symbols, including the Teutonic Knights, a German medieval military order, which became a purely religious Catholic Order.
Even with that history, you dont see neighbourhoods at least in the Western world dawning that symbol outside of the nutbar skinheads and white supremacists.
Oddly, it was a Christian church in his home town where Hitler first saw the symbol which would come to be called the swastika. It is still there today.
The Swastika is sometimes seen throughout Asian countries, I've seen it here often enough, and and is typically associated with Buddhism. It can can have peaceful meanings that go far beyond the over played Nazi card. If flipped suggest something different, but most are too ignorant to even realise which way it should go round and would likely start spitting something about 'evil' and 'ovens' and how disrespectful it all is. 'Look in the mirror, my rotund friend, and let's talk about respect' says the monk in a moment of non serenity. And he is not politically correct either! Holy cow, call CNN! As I say, a flag is just a flag. It's meaning is whatever the propaganda and yourself allow it to have. The rest should be up to you.
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walrus
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IamInuit
Seems odd to me that it took an act of brutal murder to give that flag its exit papers. Claiming it as some southern cross is like hanging a Nazi flag in a state in Israel and claiming its a symbol of National Socialism.
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For the Hindus and Buddhists in India and other Asian countries, the swastika was an important symbol for many thousands of years and, to this day, the symbol can still be seen in abundance - on temples, buses, taxis, and on the cover of books. It was also used in Ancient Greece and can be found in the remains of the ancient city of Troy, which existed 4,000 years ago. The ancient Druids and the Celts also used the symbol, reflected in many artifacts that have been discovered. It was used by Nordic tribes and even early Christians used the Swastika as one of their symbols, including the Teutonic Knights, a German medieval military order, which became a purely religious Catholic Order.
Even with that history, you dont see neighbourhoods at least in the Western world dawning that symbol outside of the nutbar skinheads and white supremacists.
Oddly, it was a Christian church in his home town where Hitler first saw the symbol which would come to be called the swastika. It is still there today.
They dont parade it. That confederate flag represents the same thing as the Nazi flag minus the ovens.
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walrus
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Originally Posted by
IamInuit
Seems odd to me that it took an act of brutal murder to give that flag its exit papers. Claiming it as some southern cross is like hanging a Nazi flag in a state in Israel and claiming its a symbol of National Socialism.
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For the Hindus and Buddhists in India and other Asian countries, the swastika was an important symbol for many thousands of years and, to this day, the symbol can still be seen in abundance - on temples, buses, taxis, and on the cover of books. It was also used in Ancient Greece and can be found in the remains of the ancient city of Troy, which existed 4,000 years ago. The ancient Druids and the Celts also used the symbol, reflected in many artifacts that have been discovered. It was used by Nordic tribes and even early Christians used the Swastika as one of their symbols, including the Teutonic Knights, a German medieval military order, which became a purely religious Catholic Order.
Even with that history, you dont see neighbourhoods at least in the Western world dawning that symbol outside of the nutbar skinheads and white supremacists.
Oddly, it was a Christian church in his home town where Hitler first saw the symbol which would come to be called the swastika. It is still there today.
They dont parade it. That confederate flag represents the same thing as the Nazi flag minus the ovens.
Alright then present the case for that line of thought. How is the Battle flag of Northern Virginia like the Swastika only minus the ovens?
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No doubt the flag has negative connotations. George Wallace brought back into style in his state. I guess my take is very much influenced by me being a civil war buff. War wise, Robert E Lee was a brilliant tactician.. Stone wall Jackson, another great mind. When I see the flag I don't relate it at all to slavery or opression, again, that's just my take. The southern hicks I know who have the battle flag on their car do it to show their rebel anti government spirit. Still, perhaps flying it over a state capital is not appropriate. I encourage anyone able to visit the Gettysburg national park. It's an absolutely amazing place.
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Rebel: a person who rises in opposition or armed resistance against an established government or ruler.
But also
(of a person) resist authority, control, or convention.
show or feel repugnance for or resistance to something
So by definition the "Rebel Flag" as it were, could be seen as anti-establishment, counter culture, etc. which was the case when Billy Idol was rocking it.
http://40.media.tumblr.com/bbe37ae26...ziuo1_1280.jpg
The Dukes of Hazzard, they were anti-establishment/anti-Boss Hog and corrupt Sheriff Roscoe P. Coltrane......but nah we can't have that see...we must comply
....that was in the 70's and 80's where people were using that flag as a political statement to be against the status quo.
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The Confederate Flag has always been a slap in the face to blacks as a reminder of what once was.
The Confederate Flag has always stood for stupidity, ignorance, and blind pride. In my opinion!
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The Confederate Flag has always been a slap in the face to blacks as a reminder of what once was.
The Confederate Flag has always stood for stupidity, ignorance, and blind pride. In my opinion!
Alright then my first question would be "Why then don't blacks feel the same way about the American flag, British flag, Dutch flag, Spanish flag, Portuguese flag, Brazilian flag, etc?" seeing how those flags were on the slave ships and NOT any form of the Confederate flag.
You opinion differs greatly from the opinions of THESE folks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVYLswFcI48
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YF-QIJyLhKQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYzAqHD1gHc
....now the tricky thing with "feelings" and "emotions" is that we all have them, but which ones matter more because right now we're at a crossroads and 1 group is saying "that's a hateful flag, it always has been and it always will be" and we have another group that feels differently.....who is right? Are you right because your feelings are hurt by the flag? Are those people in the video right because of their views? I've got my views and that is the flag doesn't belong at the South Carolina state capitol because of why is was put there, HOWEVER, the flag itself should be flown/shown at memorials, Battlefields, at markers for Confederate dead (as the widows and orphans of the Confederacy started what we now call Memorial Day), and privately by whoever so chooses to fly the flag.
I choose liberty over censorship every single time
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I only watched the middle one but it was quite good. They put better that which I've been attempting to say.
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El Kabong
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beenKOed
The Confederate Flag has always been a slap in the face to blacks as a reminder of what once was.
The Confederate Flag has always stood for stupidity, ignorance, and blind pride. In my opinion!
Alright then my first question would be "Why then don't blacks feel the same way about the American flag, British flag, Dutch flag, Spanish flag, Portuguese flag, Brazilian flag, etc?" seeing how those flags were on the slave ships and NOT any form of the Confederate flag.
You opinion differs greatly from the opinions of THESE folks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVYLswFcI48
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YF-QIJyLhKQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYzAqHD1gHc
....now the tricky thing with "feelings" and "emotions" is that we all have them, but which ones matter more because right now we're at a crossroads and 1 group is saying "that's a hateful flag, it always has been and it always will be" and we have another group that feels differently.....who is right? Are you right because your feelings are hurt by the flag? Are those people in the video right because of their views? I've got my views and that is the flag doesn't belong at the South Carolina state capitol because of why is was put there, HOWEVER, the flag itself should be flown/shown at memorials, Battlefields, at markers for Confederate dead (as the widows and orphans of the Confederacy started what we now call Memorial Day), and privately by whoever so chooses to fly the flag.
I choose liberty over censorship every single time
I'll say it one more time, maybe it will get through this time. Doubtful but the possibility exists.
The Confederate Flag is a slap in the face to blacks.
The Confederate Flag has always stood for stupidity, ignorance, and blind pride.
If you can't understand why that flag is offensive to blacks and it's time to relegate it to museums I'm not going to waste my time talking to you.
I couldn't understand why it was allowed to fly when I was 15. Are you really saying that you never wondered about the wrongness of it?
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I'll say it one more time, maybe it will get through this time. Doubtful but the possibility exists.
The Confederate Flag is a slap in the face to blacks.
The Confederate Flag has always stood for stupidity, ignorance, and blind pride.
If you can't understand why that flag is offensive to blacks and it's time to relegate it to museums I'm not going to waste my time talking to you.
I couldn't understand why it was allowed to fly when I was 15. Are you really saying that you never wondered about the wrongness of it?
Well it's awful nice that you decided to be so condescending in your response. I know that it's a key factor in civil discourse to be as condescending as possible to get your point across because that's the only way to truly get a point across. I mean I'm not to be trusted to THINK for myself....I must be beaten into submission via a condescending tone. And to do it without answering any question I ask, nor saying "You know, I never thought of that" you're simply saying the world in general will be better off without the Battle Flag of Northern Virginia....fine, fine......say we do that, say we do exactly as you have said, my question would then be....
What next?
What will be the next "symbol of racism"? What will we blame the next shooting on? What will we blame the next ugly racist moment on?
Will the American flag be next? Or will 'Gone With The Wind' be next? Will Southern states have to change their flags as the overwhelming majority of them take from the original Flag of the Confederate States? Should states change their names? Should statues and monuments to Confederate generals be taken down? Streets be renamed? Should we even teach about the "Civil War"....I've forgotten more about that war than children are taught these days.
There WILL have to be something to take the place of the Battle flag, because I know progressive liberals and they do not retreat once they have their way, they keep marching forward until everyone learns to comply.
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Nine Dead, 46 Wounded in Fourth of July Weekend Violence in Chicago | NBC Chicago
Ah yes, that damned flag made it's way to Chicago....and on the 4th of July weekend too!
