Choco-Srisaket II/Inoue-Nieves/Cuadras-Estrada - Sept 9 Great Card!!!

Choco really looking too small, going to the tank already to keep Wang off

Oh man that was brutal. Guys a machine here and Gonzalez playing slugger :o

Fuck me. Wasn't expecting that though.

Chocoholic out gunned... bit like Crolla V Linares ..just met his match.

Noooooooo :eek:

Choco needs to lose some weight and move down. He can't carry 115. Probably he's finished anyway. He definitely didn't look the same fighter tonight as even last time out.

Estrada must be devastated. Probably Srisaket fights Inouye next or at least at some point.

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Why oh why would you dye your hair ginger? Seriously.

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So he can look like Canelo?

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If somebody is voluntarily dying their hair ginger you've got to worry about their mental state.

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Really it seems pretty standard for Japanese fighters to try to stand out and you see a lot of dyed hair etc. As long as he isn't coming in with that half awake half sleepy hairdo Ward wears it's a pass ;D

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I was just trying to wind my brothers up. :)

Predictably they fell for it and now they're trying to get me to fight them even though they've been drinking my booze and eating my barbecue all night. After this fight I'm going to knack the pair of them. Fuck! Choco down!

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Dude no worries ;D. I'm honestly feeling bad for Gonzalez here, never saw a walk through coming. They forced his build a bit, weight and swelling. Rungvisai (at least that's my name this week) gets nothing but respect doing it twice.

Chocolatito looked strange from go. He was stumbling forward even in the first few seconds. His body language and expression seemed wrong. I think he came into this knowing he was fading badly

I think the Thai vs the Jap is a big fight.

Feel a bit sorry for Choco, don't like seeing great fighters go out like that

WangSri proving the bigger, fresher, stronger, more confident from the off, he never had a doubt he was coming back to whup arse

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Why oh why would you dye your hair ginger? Seriously.

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So he can look like Canelo?

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If somebody is voluntarily dying their hair ginger you've got to worry about their mental state.

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Why whats wrong with ginger?

Did you take a beating by a ginge at school or something?

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The ginger gene is rampant in my family. My father and his brothers and my two brothers were all ginger. I narrowly avoided being ginger. It's just not something you would want to inflict on yourself. I'm not mocking ginger people. I used to make fun of my brothers years ago but now I've grown up and matured and now I've got nothing but respect and admiration for the way that they cope with their deformity in their everyday lives.

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Thats fair enough.. but i still dont understand why people hate ginger..Its like the leaves on Autumn trees. Quite a nice color. I wouldn't mind being ginge.

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Don't get me started.

Inoue will annihilate Srisaket, he's far to open/easy to hit, he'll have no chance walking past Inoue's monster left hand jab/hook and if he does he'll be getting chinned with right hands he never saw coming.

Nobody in this division is taking flush shots off Inoue.

Kellerman wanker way off here. Sure..it was psychology off a bad loss that caught up and dominated him here :p. Unlike the same opponent who took you to war for 12 prior.

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Inoue will annihilate Srisaket, he's far to open/easy to hit, he'll have no chance walking past Inoue's monster left hand jab/hook and if he does he'll be getting chinned with right hands he never saw coming.

Nobody in this division is taking flush shots off Inoue.

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I think you underestimate Wang. He is a pressure fighter that will be too much for Inoue. Inoue doesn't move his head well coming in. Wangek will stand his ground and force the jap to use plan b.

The card lived up to the hype. Great stuff.

Estrada-Cuadras got better and better as it went on until it ended up a thriller.

Inoue showed what seperates elite/special level from top-class level.

Choco-Srisaket was terrific whilst it lasted and delivered a definitive ending to a little modern day greats career.

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Inoue will annihilate Srisaket, he's far to open/easy to hit, he'll have no chance walking past Inoue's monster left hand jab/hook and if he does he'll be getting chinned with right hands he never saw coming.

Nobody in this division is taking flush shots off Inoue.

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I think you underestimate Wang. He is a pressure fighter that will be too much for Inoue. Inoue doesn't move his head well coming in. Wangek will stand his ground and force the jap to use plan b.

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Trust me, I love Wang, that man has made me more money beating Choco (in just two fights) than any other single fighter in history.

However, Wang is clearly bigger/stronger/powerful than Choco, he was able to walk through his shots to get on the inside where he had all his success. Just watch Inoue's piston left hand, it never stops busting faces and ribs up, plus he is much faster on his feet when he chooses to move and naturally as big as Wang. Inoue can fight defensive if he needs to, i've watched him "run"/coast around the ring with a broken hand.

Great matchup, just I see Inoue having far too much.

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Inoue will annihilate Srisaket, he's far to open/easy to hit, he'll have no chance walking past Inoue's monster left hand jab/hook and if he does he'll be getting chinned with right hands he never saw coming.

Nobody in this division is taking flush shots off Inoue.

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I think you underestimate Wang. He is a pressure fighter that will be too much for Inoue. Inoue doesn't move his head well coming in. Wangek will stand his ground and force the jap to use plan b.

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Agreed think people underestimating wang

I'm not underestimating Wang, you could argue i'm overestimating Inoue I suppose. To say i'm underestimating Wang sounds like i'm downplaying/knocking him when i'm making a stylistic case for a superb box-puncher (with a plan-b) to dominate a ruthless sparko-banging pressure fighter.

Wang-Estrada is next (if they play by the WBC rules) where I fancy Wang to bulldoze straight through him. Either way, it will be a great fight. Combine these guys anyway you like, it is guaranteed to be terrific.

Chocolatito just looked awful right from the start. Wang did what he was supposed to but it's tough to say that that performance was him being that much better rather than chocolatito being that much worse. Who knows though? We will have to wait for his next fight

What they should do now is Wang fights his mandatory in Estrada and Inoue fights Cuadras. Then the winners fight each other. Every combination of those possible fights are good.

Good work for the thai fellow(shame the crowd had to boo him before the fight started for whatever reason).. He bashed him good there, I did think a year or two ago gonzalez wasn't looking so great and wouldnt make it to 49-0 and it seems he hasnt :S.. Weird thing though, I am pretty sure gonzalez really should have won their first fight and if the judges got it right there would have been no rematch and gonzalez would still be p4p number one(or at least very close).....

Had to watch it delayed two hours due to shaw cables brilliant tactic of only having the delayed hbo S:.. Cuadras v estrada was great fun and i think it could have gone either way but I think the right fellow won... Inoue could have done better I think but still good for him, I think cuadras and his large frame and long arms would cause him a lot of trouble and I wouldnt make either one a favourite to win... I suspect inoue would have fun with the thai guy though and that would be brilliant to watch ! it really might be the end of gonzalez, that was a pretty tame performance from him especially after he could have won their first fight.

Haven't seen the result yet and I'm dying a little bit, last night ended up in a monumental session.

Just had a subway breakfast and now I'm gunna get my head down for an hour and then watch the replay on sky sports...that is if my hangover doesn't kick in before that.

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Haven't seen the result yet and I'm dying a little bit, last night ended up in a monumental session.

Just had a subway breakfast and now I'm gunna get my head down for an hour and then watch the replay on sky sports...that is if my hangover doesn't kick in before that.

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In fact I'm going to get my head down for an hour and then crack a can and have a drink whilst watching it, I reckon that is the safest bet.

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Haven't seen the result yet and I'm dying a little bit, last night ended up in a monumental session.

Just had a subway breakfast and now I'm gunna get my head down for an hour and then watch the replay on sky sports...that is if my hangover doesn't kick in before that.

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In fact I'm going to get my head down for an hour and then crack a can and have a drink whilst watching it, I reckon that is the safest bet.

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What time is the repeat?

11:30am

Cuadras v Estrada was a cracking fight, I had it a draw with Cuadras having a handy lead. Why he kept on going southpaw and being so erratic I do not know but it cost him the fight.

The wrong scoring at the end was a joke.

Hell of a card that lived up to all expectations.

Cuedras - Estrada was very competitive early but for me Estrada figured Cuedras out and just outworked the guy in the accuracy of shots landed. He never let Cuedras reset and should have won a bit wider on the cards (once Buffer had sorted it out ;D)

I want to be a bit wary claiming along with many others that Inoue is something special this early, but though Nieves is not the stoutest of measuring sticks you can't really pick a lot of holes in his short career so far. He is a spiteful hitter that never relies on one shot or his favourite punch and so represents real danger to anyone at the weight. Amazing variety and a fight with Srisaket could be a modern classic.


Choco never looked like he really believed he won the first fight here tonight and he was made to look like very average for somebody with his kind of portfolio. A combination of age, lack of desire and being mentally shot with the most important factor being Srisaket's self belief and determination to fight his own fight. It was so one sided that you would have to conclude that Choco's head was somewhere else for large parts of it and ended up looking like a very watery Ovaltine come the end. Tempted to say great finishing skills by Srisaket but not sure a lot of other top class operators are going to be quite that open for it.


Brilliant though unexpected end to a great trio of fights with no filler to water them down. Class.

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Inoue will annihilate Srisaket, he's far to open/easy to hit, he'll have no chance walking past Inoue's monster left hand jab/hook and if he does he'll be getting chinned with right hands he never saw coming.

Nobody in this division is taking flush shots off Inoue.

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I think you underestimate Wang. He is a pressure fighter that will be too much for Inoue. Inoue doesn't move his head well coming in. Wangek will stand his ground and force the jap to use plan b.

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Trust me, I love Wang

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LOLZ

Choco looked a completely different fighter to what we are used to seeing, the first fight was close and controversial, there is certainly no question about that one.

Great fight and knock out the first fight was fun watch i still can not believe this guy was pound for pound ranked 1 over likes of Ward and Crawford. He just got his career destroyed by a man who for past 10 fights before fighting him was fighting guys with shit records and a lot of them debuting in boxing. Anyway good luck to the guy hope he can find something else to do or moved back down because he look just like another guy in this weight class.

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Great fight and knock out the first fight was fun watch i still can not believe this guy was pound for pound ranked 1 over likes of Ward and Crawford. He just got his career destroyed by a man who for past 10 fights before fighting him was fighting guys with shit records and a lot of them debuting in boxing. Anyway good luck to the guy hope he can find something else to do or moved back down because he look just like another guy in this weight class.

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I can answer why you think it's ridiculous this man was rated P4P above Ward? First some stats for perspective (seeing as you love boxrec).

44-0 (38 KOs)

FOUR-weight "world" champion.

LINEAL flyweight champion (one of the most decorated/strongest linage divisions in the entire history of boxing).

SIXTEEN consecutive world title fight wins (ALL won/defended on foreign soil/THREE different countries).

NINE victories over former/current "world" champions.

So ignoring his visually brilliant style/skills, accomplishments and treasure trove of silverware - you can't understand why a man that's fought 100% of his title fights outside his own native country could possibly rank above a man that's had the privilege of never leaving home (USA)?

Hmm... I wonder why you're struggling with this concept?

Don't bother @Fenster those that actually follow boxing (not just certain divisions) know how good Gonzalez was. Age, wars and weight have taken their toll.

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Great fight and knock out the first fight was fun watch i still can not believe this guy was pound for pound ranked 1 over likes of Ward and Crawford. He just got his career destroyed by a man who for past 10 fights before fighting him was fighting guys with shit records and a lot of them debuting in boxing. Anyway good luck to the guy hope he can find something else to do or moved back down because he look just like another guy in this weight class.

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I can answer why you think it's ridiculous this man was rated P4P above Ward? First some stats for perspective (seeing as you love boxrec).

44-0 (38 KOs)

FOUR-weight "world" champion.

LINEAL flyweight champion (one of the most decorated/strongest linage divisions in the entire history of boxing).

SIXTEEN consecutive world title fight wins (ALL won/defended on foreign soil/THREE different countries).

NINE victories over former/current "world" champions.

So ignoring his visually brilliant style/skills, accomplishments and treasure trove of silverware - you can't understand why a man that's fought 100% of his title fights outside his own native country could possibly rank above a man that's had the privilege of never leaving home (USA)?

Hmm... I wonder why you're struggling with this concept?

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You honestly think that man is the best boxer there is then i have nothing to say to you. Ward is diva but he and Crawford are far more talented then that guy in deeper divisions so no he should of never been ranked that high.

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Don't bother @Fenster those that actually follow boxing (not just certain divisions) know how good Gonzalez was. Age, wars and weight have taken their toll.

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Oh i watch a lot of boxing i been watching this sport for sometime but never watched Gonzalez and thought he best in the sport. I do not like Ward at all but he is the best in the sport and craft is on par with Hopkins.

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Don't bother @Fenster those that actually follow boxing (not just certain divisions) know how good Gonzalez was. Age, wars and weight have taken their toll.

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Oh i watch a lot of boxing i been watching this sport for sometime but never watched Gonzalez and thought he best in the sport. I do not like Ward at all but he is the best in the sport and craft is on par with Hopkins.

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I know you watch a lot of boxing and I can assure you Gonzalez had been absolutely brilliant beating all the opponents and then being seen by US audiences he was put as p4p the best fighter because of the added exposure. These guys are one loss away from losing the title.

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Don't bother @Fenster those that actually follow boxing (not just certain divisions) know how good Gonzalez was. Age, wars and weight have taken their toll.

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Oh i watch a lot of boxing i been watching this sport for sometime but never watched Gonzalez and thought he best in the sport. I do not like Ward at all but he is the best in the sport and craft is on par with Hopkins.

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I know you watch a lot of boxing and I can assure you Gonzalez had been absolutely brilliant beating all the opponents and then being seen by US audiences he was put as p4p the best fighter because of the added exposure. These guys are one loss away from losing the title.

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Ward is on top of the bunch right now i mean to comeback and stop Kov like he did was something i would never expect. I have never been a fan of the guy but his list of beaten opponents is better then anyone one. Crawford might be early call but when i watch him fight i see generational talent it will be interesting to see how 147 goes. Also biased or not i do not rate all division the same 130-147 is fucking stacked make it there i put you on different place then 108 to 115. There huge difference in talent pool when you fighting between 130-175 then 108-118 more people and more money to be had. Choco was pound for pound top 10 i am fine with that but the best in boxing eh that is pushing it.

Gonzalez has said that whilst he is considering retiring he hasn't made a final decision yet but if he does decide to continue he will carry on at the same weight

Chocolatito has beaten some solid fighters though. It's not like he stayed at minimum weight and had no competition. He fought multiple fighters who have been highly regarded even though they are smaller guys.

I'm not saying you have to necessarily have him #1, but you would have to admit that he at least has a good case to be a top p4p fighter because of his skill and resume.

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Great fight and knock out the first fight was fun watch i still can not believe this guy was pound for pound ranked 1 over likes of Ward and Crawford. He just got his career destroyed by a man who for past 10 fights before fighting him was fighting guys with shit records and a lot of them debuting in boxing. Anyway good luck to the guy hope he can find something else to do or moved back down because he look just like another guy in this weight class.

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I can answer why you think it's ridiculous this man was rated P4P above Ward? First some stats for perspective (seeing as you love boxrec).

44-0 (38 KOs)

FOUR-weight "world" champion.

LINEAL flyweight champion (one of the most decorated/strongest linage divisions in the entire history of boxing).

SIXTEEN consecutive world title fight wins (ALL won/defended on foreign soil/THREE different countries).

NINE victories over former/current "world" champions.

So ignoring his visually brilliant style/skills, accomplishments and treasure trove of silverware - you can't understand why a man that's fought 100% of his title fights outside his own native country could possibly rank above a man that's had the privilege of never leaving home (USA)?

Hmm... I wonder why you're struggling with this concept?

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You honestly think that man is the best boxer there is then i have nothing to say to you. Ward is diva but he and Crawford are far more talented then that guy in deeper divisions so no he should of never been ranked that high.

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You stated it was baffling that an unbeaten, multi-weight world champion that had ventured all over the globe winning titles was so revered.

I considered maybe it's because you haven't got a clue who he is? I was right, as you admitted.

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i watch a lot of boxing i been watching this sport for sometime but never watched Gonzalez

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Many fans delve deeper into the sport than the popular American fighters. It's a global sport. Fame/money doesn't surpass ability/accomplishment when assessing their quality, there's no extra points for popularity. You don't understand why he's rated so high because you only watch a tiny pool of fighters.

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Wangek will stand his ground

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Easier said than done against that fucker. I think he'll have the balls to try it but I don't think he'll be very successful.

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Great fight and knock out the first fight was fun watch i still can not believe this guy was pound for pound ranked 1 over likes of Ward and Crawford. He just got his career destroyed by a man who for past 10 fights before fighting him was fighting guys with shit records and a lot of them debuting in boxing. Anyway good luck to the guy hope he can find something else to do or moved back down because he look just like another guy in this weight class.

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I can answer why you think it's ridiculous this man was rated P4P above Ward? First some stats for perspective (seeing as you love boxrec).

44-0 (38 KOs)

FOUR-weight "world" champion.

LINEAL flyweight champion (one of the most decorated/strongest linage divisions in the entire history of boxing).

SIXTEEN consecutive world title fight wins (ALL won/defended on foreign soil/THREE different countries).

NINE victories over former/current "world" champions.

So ignoring his visually brilliant style/skills, accomplishments and treasure trove of silverware - you can't understand why a man that's fought 100% of his title fights outside his own native country could possibly rank above a man that's had the privilege of never leaving home (USA)?

Hmm... I wonder why you're struggling with this concept?

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You honestly think that man is the best boxer there is then i have nothing to say to you. Ward is diva but he and Crawford are far more talented then that guy in deeper divisions so no he should of never been ranked that high.

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You stated it was baffling that an unbeaten, multi-weight world champion that had ventured all over the globe winning titles was so revered.

I considered maybe it's because you haven't got a clue who he is? I was right, as you admitted.

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i watch a lot of boxing i been watching this sport for sometime but never watched Gonzalez

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Many fans delve deeper into the sport than the popular American fighters. It's a global sport. Fame/money doesn't surpass ability/accomplishment when assessing their quality, there's no extra points for popularity. You don't understand why he's rated so high because you only watch a tiny pool of fighters.

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Loved your first post, but this one is the dishonesty that drives me crazy. You are on the right side of the argument, you don't need to pull the weak dishonest crap. Cutting off his sentence to make it seem he said something he didn't is Bush League