Choco-Srisaket II/Inoue-Nieves/Cuadras-Estrada - Sept 9 Great Card!!!

[Fenster]

Great fight and knock out the first fight was fun watch i still can not believe this guy was pound for pound ranked 1 over likes of Ward and Crawford. He just got his career destroyed by a man who for past 10 fights before fighting him was fighting guys with shit records and a lot of them debuting in boxing. Anyway good luck to the guy hope he can find something else to do or moved back down because he look just like another guy in this weight class.

I can answer why you think it's ridiculous this man was rated P4P above Ward? First some stats for perspective (seeing as you love boxrec).

44-0 (38 KOs)

FOUR-weight "world" champion.

LINEAL flyweight champion (one of the most decorated/strongest linage divisions in the entire history of boxing).

SIXTEEN consecutive world title fight wins (ALL won/defended on foreign soil/THREE different countries).

NINE victories over former/current "world" champions.

So ignoring his visually brilliant style/skills, accomplishments and treasure trove of silverware - you can't understand why a man that's fought 100% of his title fights outside his own native country could possibly rank above a man that's had the privilege of never leaving home (USA)?

Hmm... I wonder why you're struggling with this concept?

[Alpha]

Don't bother @Fenster those that actually follow boxing (not just certain divisions) know how good Gonzalez was. Age, wars and weight have taken their toll.

[Mr140]

Don't bother @Fenster those that actually follow boxing (not just certain divisions) know how good Gonzalez was. Age, wars and weight have taken their toll.

Oh i watch a lot of boxing i been watching this sport for sometime but never watched Gonzalez and thought he best in the sport. I do not like Ward at all but he is the best in the sport and craft is on par with Hopkins.

[Master]

Don't bother @Fenster those that actually follow boxing (not just certain divisions) know how good Gonzalez was. Age, wars and weight have taken their toll.

Oh i watch a lot of boxing i been watching this sport for sometime but never watched Gonzalez and thought he best in the sport. I do not like Ward at all but he is the best in the sport and craft is on par with Hopkins.

I know you watch a lot of boxing and I can assure you Gonzalez had been absolutely brilliant beating all the opponents and then being seen by US audiences he was put as p4p the best fighter because of the added exposure. These guys are one loss away from losing the title.

[Mr140]

Don't bother @Fenster those that actually follow boxing (not just certain divisions) know how good Gonzalez was. Age, wars and weight have taken their toll.

Oh i watch a lot of boxing i been watching this sport for sometime but never watched Gonzalez and thought he best in the sport. I do not like Ward at all but he is the best in the sport and craft is on par with Hopkins.

I know you watch a lot of boxing and I can assure you Gonzalez had been absolutely brilliant beating all the opponents and then being seen by US audiences he was put as p4p the best fighter because of the added exposure. These guys are one loss away from losing the title.

Ward is on top of the bunch right now i mean to comeback and stop Kov like he did was something i would never expect. I have never been a fan of the guy but his list of beaten opponents is better then anyone one. Crawford might be early call but when i watch him fight i see generational talent it will be interesting to see how 147 goes. Also biased or not i do not rate all division the same 130-147 is fucking stacked make it there i put you on different place then 108 to 115. There huge difference in talent pool when you fighting between 130-175 then 108-118 more people and more money to be had. Choco was pound for pound top 10 i am fine with that but the best in boxing eh that is pushing it.

[Batman]

Gonzalez has said that whilst he is considering retiring he hasn't made a final decision yet but if he does decide to continue he will carry on at the same weight

[powerpuncher]

Chocolatito has beaten some solid fighters though. It's not like he stayed at minimum weight and had no competition. He fought multiple fighters who have been highly regarded even though they are smaller guys.

I'm not saying you have to necessarily have him #1, but you would have to admit that he at least has a good case to be a top p4p fighter because of his skill and resume.

[Master]

Gonzalez has said that whilst he is considering retiring he hasn't made a final decision yet but if he does decide to continue he will carry on at the same weight

Gonzalez looked older and slower whereas Srisaket appeared more calmer and confident throughout the build up and during the fight. I assume that was his wife crying at ring side, she looked traumatised.

[Alpha]

Don't bother @Fenster those that actually follow boxing (not just certain divisions) know how good Gonzalez was. Age, wars and weight have taken their toll.

Oh i watch a lot of boxing i been watching this sport for sometime but never watched Gonzalez and thought he best in the sport. I do not like Ward at all but he is the best in the sport and craft is on par with Hopkins.

Ward is arguably the P4P #1 now, but when Floyd retired it left a gap at the top with no real obvious choice. I thought Ward lost the 1st fight with Kov, the second fight was also very close at the time of the 'stoppage'. Ward may have ended it in a round or 2 but we'll never know for sure. The way the fight ended robbed both fighters of opportunities, plus his inactivity leading up to that point left a lot to be desired. Gonzalez won a razor thin decision over Caudras who was near the top of 115 (Chocolatito's 4th weight by the way), plus all the achievements Fenster listed, he was definitely in the discussion. I don't care for P4P at all because it is too subjective and at the end of the day a mythical subject.

[Alpha]

never watched Gonzalez

Everyone has their own opinion but it says it all here for me.

[Fenster]

never watched Gonzalez

Everyone has their own opinion but it says it all here for me.

Whoa!!! Steady on, @Ron Swanson is gonna go mental at that, he gets infuriated when people highlight the most significant part of a quote.

[Batman]

Oh i watch a lot of boxing i been watching this sport for sometime but never watched Gonzalez and thought he best in the sport.

Just to clear it up, Mr140 didn't say that he had never seen him fight.

[Alpha]

When Floyd retired Gonzalez had to be in the conversation at that time. Just because someone doesn't think he looks like one of the best in the world doesn't mean his accomplishments didn't merit it.

[Mr140]

Oh i watch a lot of boxing i been watching this sport for sometime but never watched Gonzalez and thought he best in the sport.

Just to clear it up, Mr140 didn't say that he had never seen him fight.

He just trying to change what i said because he does not agree with it. I have no problem having Choco in top 10 but the best in our sport don't see it he not as talented as Crawford or Ward and has not beaten better fighters either.

[TitoFan]

Is this about talking down Chocolatito and talking up Ward? Because if it is, why don't we just do a poll and be done with it?
Personally, I'd vote Choco................ twice.