Choco-Srisaket II/Inoue-Nieves/Cuadras-Estrada - Sept 9 Great Card!!!

[Alpha]

Don't bother @Fenster those that actually follow boxing (not just certain divisions) know how good Gonzalez was. Age, wars and weight have taken their toll.

[Mr140]

Don't bother @Fenster those that actually follow boxing (not just certain divisions) know how good Gonzalez was. Age, wars and weight have taken their toll.

Oh i watch a lot of boxing i been watching this sport for sometime but never watched Gonzalez and thought he best in the sport. I do not like Ward at all but he is the best in the sport and craft is on par with Hopkins.

[Master]

Don't bother @Fenster those that actually follow boxing (not just certain divisions) know how good Gonzalez was. Age, wars and weight have taken their toll.

Oh i watch a lot of boxing i been watching this sport for sometime but never watched Gonzalez and thought he best in the sport. I do not like Ward at all but he is the best in the sport and craft is on par with Hopkins.

I know you watch a lot of boxing and I can assure you Gonzalez had been absolutely brilliant beating all the opponents and then being seen by US audiences he was put as p4p the best fighter because of the added exposure. These guys are one loss away from losing the title.

[Mr140]

Don't bother @Fenster those that actually follow boxing (not just certain divisions) know how good Gonzalez was. Age, wars and weight have taken their toll.

Oh i watch a lot of boxing i been watching this sport for sometime but never watched Gonzalez and thought he best in the sport. I do not like Ward at all but he is the best in the sport and craft is on par with Hopkins.

I know you watch a lot of boxing and I can assure you Gonzalez had been absolutely brilliant beating all the opponents and then being seen by US audiences he was put as p4p the best fighter because of the added exposure. These guys are one loss away from losing the title.

Ward is on top of the bunch right now i mean to comeback and stop Kov like he did was something i would never expect. I have never been a fan of the guy but his list of beaten opponents is better then anyone one. Crawford might be early call but when i watch him fight i see generational talent it will be interesting to see how 147 goes. Also biased or not i do not rate all division the same 130-147 is fucking stacked make it there i put you on different place then 108 to 115. There huge difference in talent pool when you fighting between 130-175 then 108-118 more people and more money to be had. Choco was pound for pound top 10 i am fine with that but the best in boxing eh that is pushing it.

[Batman]

Gonzalez has said that whilst he is considering retiring he hasn't made a final decision yet but if he does decide to continue he will carry on at the same weight

[powerpuncher]

Chocolatito has beaten some solid fighters though. It's not like he stayed at minimum weight and had no competition. He fought multiple fighters who have been highly regarded even though they are smaller guys.

I'm not saying you have to necessarily have him #1, but you would have to admit that he at least has a good case to be a top p4p fighter because of his skill and resume.

[Master]

Gonzalez has said that whilst he is considering retiring he hasn't made a final decision yet but if he does decide to continue he will carry on at the same weight

Gonzalez looked older and slower whereas Srisaket appeared more calmer and confident throughout the build up and during the fight. I assume that was his wife crying at ring side, she looked traumatised.

[TitoFan]

I missed the fights thanks to Irma.

But seeing as to how Chocolatito lost by knockout, and reading as to how some on here never ranked him that high to begin with... it's sad that Gonzalez joins the ranks of those great, talented, accomplished fighters who, upon losing.... all of a sudden were never all that great.

Yeah I can see him look old and worn, as well as being affected by the weight gain. But to read where guys like Ward are better than him... that's just insane. Ward was ridiculously inactive and fought a couple of lollipops before taking on Kovalev. The first decision was questionable... and the TKO was puzzling... as it seems Kovalev wasn't mentally there.

Crawford I can see being rated higher. He's at the top of his game, and his style is totally crowd-friendly. He's beaten some very good fighters. But so had Chocolatito. Just because he wasn't televised as much..... or just because he fights at the totally lower weights..... this is the type of thing that does him no favors with the casual fans.

Hopefully he'll be back.

[Alpha]

Don't bother @Fenster those that actually follow boxing (not just certain divisions) know how good Gonzalez was. Age, wars and weight have taken their toll.

Oh i watch a lot of boxing i been watching this sport for sometime but never watched Gonzalez and thought he best in the sport. I do not like Ward at all but he is the best in the sport and craft is on par with Hopkins.

Ward is arguably the P4P #1 now, but when Floyd retired it left a gap at the top with no real obvious choice. I thought Ward lost the 1st fight with Kov, the second fight was also very close at the time of the 'stoppage'. Ward may have ended it in a round or 2 but we'll never know for sure. The way the fight ended robbed both fighters of opportunities, plus his inactivity leading up to that point left a lot to be desired. Gonzalez won a razor thin decision over Caudras who was near the top of 115 (Chocolatito's 4th weight by the way), plus all the achievements Fenster listed, he was definitely in the discussion. I don't care for P4P at all because it is too subjective and at the end of the day a mythical subject.

[Alpha]

never watched Gonzalez

Everyone has their own opinion but it says it all here for me.

[Fenster]

never watched Gonzalez

Everyone has their own opinion but it says it all here for me.

Whoa!!! Steady on, @Ron Swanson is gonna go mental at that, he gets infuriated when people highlight the most significant part of a quote.

[Batman]

Oh i watch a lot of boxing i been watching this sport for sometime but never watched Gonzalez and thought he best in the sport.

Just to clear it up, Mr140 didn't say that he had never seen him fight.

[Alpha]

When Floyd retired Gonzalez had to be in the conversation at that time. Just because someone doesn't think he looks like one of the best in the world doesn't mean his accomplishments didn't merit it.

[Mr140]

Oh i watch a lot of boxing i been watching this sport for sometime but never watched Gonzalez and thought he best in the sport.

Just to clear it up, Mr140 didn't say that he had never seen him fight.

He just trying to change what i said because he does not agree with it. I have no problem having Choco in top 10 but the best in our sport don't see it he not as talented as Crawford or Ward and has not beaten better fighters either.

[TitoFan]

Is this about talking down Chocolatito and talking up Ward? Because if it is, why don't we just do a poll and be done with it?
Personally, I'd vote Choco................ twice.