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Not that I think he will lose, but he needs to fight Berchelt next then hopefully by that time Davis is ready for him. If Loma beats both of them, going up to 135 is probably his only other option. Unless of course he fights Rigo which I'm happy with.
According to rankings Marriaga has never beaten a guy ranked higher than 60th at 126, if I remember right that guy is 19-8-2. Just saying.
I don't say that in any way to take away from Loma's skill. But he is top shelf, he needs top shelf opponents.
FWIW, Marriaga made Loma miss quite a bit. No doubt Loma was dominant, but I left this fight thinking he is more beatable and less invincible.
Screamin A Smith sounds more dumb than last time. I didn't know that was possible.
Loma is special for sure, match him accordingly
Who's rankings? Rankings don't mean shit in boxing, it's not like golf or tennis. Boxing rankings are based on opinion. Marriaga proved himself against Walters and Valdez.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
I've given tons of praise for the Valdez fight but the Walters fight wasn't close.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterWho's rankings? Rankings don't mean shit in boxing, it's not like golf or tennis. Boxing rankings are based on opinion. Marriaga proved himself against Walters and Valdez.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Walters threw 200 more punches while landing at a higher percentage.
If you don't like punch stats Walters also floored him.
If you dismiss that the judges had it 119-108, 118-109, 117-110 and fans it 119-108
I supplied a lot of evidence, only fair to give you a chance to supply evidence in retort. Which good fighters did Marriaga beat?
Yeah Walters won no doubt, it was competitive though regardless of the scoring (opinion based). If a guy is way out of his depth he gets Rod Salkaed or Liam Walshed not hold his own.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonI've given tons of praise for the Valdez fight but the Walters fight wasn't close.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterWho's rankings? Rankings don't mean shit in boxing, it's not like golf or tennis. Boxing rankings are based on opinion. Marriaga proved himself against Walters and Valdez.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Walters threw 200 more punches while landing at a higher percentage.
If you don't like punch stats Walters also floored him.
If you dismiss that the judges had it 119-108, 118-109, 117-110 and fans it 119-108
What rankings are you using? If you didn't think the rankings meant anything you wouldn't keep bringing them up.
Evidence? Opinion doesn't equate to evidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
You need to start by supplying the rankings you're using. And even then it's not evidence of ANYTHING other than the opinion of the specific rankings compiler.
I supplied punch stats which you dismissed, the fact he floored him which you ignored, the fact that all the judges had it a wide decision and even the fans gave Marriaga 1 round. If all this is not evidence to you there is no such thing as evidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterEvidence? Opinion doesn't equate to evidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
You need to start by supplying the rankings you're using. And even then it's not evidence of ANYTHING other than the opinion of the specific rankings compiler.
I'll tell you and show you which ratings I'm using when you tell which good opponents he's beaten
Dismissed what? Since when have I disputed the Walters decision? Since when have I argued the quality of opposition Marriaga has beat?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonI supplied punch stats which you dismissed, the fact he floored him which you ignored, the fact that all the judges had it a wide decision and even the fans gave Marriaga 1 round. If all this is not evidence to you there is no such thing as evidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterEvidence? Opinion doesn't equate to evidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
You need to start by supplying the rankings you're using. And even then it's not evidence of ANYTHING other than the opinion of the specific rankings compiler.
I'll tell you and show you which ratings I'm using when you tell which good opponents he's beaten
All i've asked for is your "rankings" you keep referring too. If you want to keep them secret, fine, don't worry about it.
You've said multiple times Marriaga is "proven world class" the usual qualification for being proven world class in boxing is by beating a world class fighter. So you now admit, by repeatedly not naming a world class fighter he has beaten, that he hasn't beaten a world class fighter yes?Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterDismissed what? Since when have I disputed the Walters decision? Since when have I argued the quality of opposition Marriaga has beat?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonI supplied punch stats which you dismissed, the fact he floored him which you ignored, the fact that all the judges had it a wide decision and even the fans gave Marriaga 1 round. If all this is not evidence to you there is no such thing as evidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterEvidence? Opinion doesn't equate to evidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
You need to start by supplying the rankings you're using. And even then it's not evidence of ANYTHING other than the opinion of the specific rankings compiler.
I'll tell you and show you which ratings I'm using when you tell which good opponents he's beaten
All i've asked for is your "rankings" you keep referring too. If you want to keep them secret, fine, don't worry about it.
how about this, you tell me who you think is his best win and I'll supply many different rankings?(not until morning though because it is 2:28 and I need to be up in 3 and a half hours, do a few hours of work and then you'll have the rankings)
A solid performance from Loma as expected, he got a bit silly with all of the playing about though, yeah it was cracking when he was calling Marriaga into the corner inviting him to slug it out but then all the silly taps to the head were a bit much, it's alright being macho and getting into the opponents head but that was just a little childish and Loma was coming across as just being a little bored at that point.
He really is good though
I never said Marriaga beat a "world-class" fighter, you've invented an argument in your head that hasn't got anything to do with what i've said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
No I wouldn't say the qualification for being "world-class" is necessarily determined by beating a world-class fighter, it depends on what you consider "world-class?" How does a fighter obtain a ranking with a governing body? It's certainly not determined by beating independently recognised world-class opposition. And all independent rankings use governing bodies as a guide to rating fighters.
There's many "world-class" fighters that are not champions purely because the division they operate in is so strong in depth. Or the era they fight in is so strong.
Okay. We've established you won't say who he has beaten that impressed. That's fine. I understand it because he hasn't beaten anyone of substance. We disagree on if the Walters loss should be included in propping him up. My point is it shouldn't because it was not competitive according to punch stats, scoring, or fans opinions. We can agree to disagree on that.
Where we differ most I suppose is I think Loma is special and because he is special he should fight other special fighters. Guys so good are rare, I don't want to see his talent wasted doing what normal fighters do.
No we agree on your last point too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
The only thing we disagree about is your use of bogus rankings. If you want to cite rankings to make a point then you need to provide a source/evidence so that they can be evaluated to ascertain whether or not they're worthy of consideration.
After 20 months out of the ring Bryant Jennings returns Saturday, live on the ESPN
Thanks Master, you da man :appl:
Obviously the Crawford Indongo fight is top drawer, but after that the best thing about this card is Dillian Whyte, particularly Dilliam Whyte's Instagram. The way the cunts been going on you'd think he was headlining at MSG, not propping up a card fighting a bloke no one has ever heard of.
It is free on ESPN. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Memphis
I was talking to a lad at work today about this fight, he knows his boxing, big fan he is
Now I don't know if this has been discussed in this thread already (I don't think it has) but we were trying to think of the last time someone unified, neither of us could think, we would throw a name out there and the other would shoot it down.
The winner of this fight will be the first person to unify and hold all four belts since Jermain Taylor beat Hopkins in 2005, I think that makes this fight that little bit more special.
Crawford has said that winning this fight should make him p4p#1, without getting into all that nonsense again the achievement certainly wouldn't harm his cause.
I'm really looking forward to this, I'm not going to be staying up for it cuz I'm going round me mom n dads tomorrow night so I'll record it and watch it first thing when I wake up at about 5am
I will definitely be recording it, 5am is too early for me but am very much looking forward to avoiding all media and watching it "as live".
5am is my usual wake up time of a weekend, weekdays I normally lay in bed till about 6amQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Crawford (like Loma) makes good opponents look ordinary. Crawford is patient and will take his time to work out openings. I see him Picking Indongo apart in the later rounds. A Crawford, Garcia, Loma round robin is mouth watering.Quote:
Originally Posted by Batman
Very curious for the ratings for this fight. The Loma fight did horrible ratings in ESPN terms, and seats were empty in a 3400 seat theatre.(not many but a 3400 seat place shouldn't have comps and still empty seats) And that was with advertising every commercial break.
But this fight I have not seen one commercial yet and the fight is fricken tomorrow. I hope it doesn't flop too.
Bad thing is it is proceeded by The Little League world series live so almost guaranteed to miss at least very beginning of card and may have to go to ESPN 2. They seriously screwed up the Loma card with it bouncing between 3 different channels AND they didn't even bother running a ticker on screen to give fans a heads up. I'm almost surprised that as many fans saw it as was reported. Crawford is back in Nebraska where he does top turn out surprisingly enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
didn't realize Indongo has the size he has and certainly doesn't seem fazed. I really wouldn't be shocked to see Crawford have to battle through some unforeseen adversity before it's over. Especially if he falls into clowning and dropping the hands he has grown fond of lately.
Yea I hope Indongo is competitive. Keep getting flash backs of Trinidad being the overwhelming favorite in the Hopkins unification. Indongo ain't no Hopkins but he's a road warrior who has earned his way to this level.
Just watched Indongo's last two fights. The one was like a minute long but the burns one was pretty telling. He reminds me a lot of Paul Williams. His physical height and reach is annoying for his opponents but he gives it up a lot by lunging in with his shots. He also throws a lot of punches.
From what I saw, I really don't think he will give Crawford much trouble. Crawford himself has a pretty long reach and is much quicker. I'm not sure how good the chin of Indongo is but if it isn't great, I think he gets stopped. If he has a solid chin, he lasts the distance but will have limited output and lost most of the rounds.
Oh snap Crawford is a beautiful fighter. Even the oracle of Omaha goes to his fights
Indongo, who is only getting this fight because he burgled two trinkets, wasn't even known a year ago, most fans have never seen him fight (just read the comments on here) yet are all excited/hyped because four silly belts are on the line.
Lets get this right - Indongo is a far bigger betting outsider than McGregor to beat Floyd. The silly Floyd mismatch is considered more competitive than the super duper shiny belts fight.
Indongo didn't look like a P4P world-conqueror beating a virtual "shot" Burns. He's a tall bloke with a rinse and repeat left hand that showed a good engine in a fight he was allowed to dominate and control.
Crawford KO within 6. (7/2)
Yup, I've only seen him against Burns, whilst the belt situation isn't the be all and end all it is certainly worth mentioning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Regardless of Indongos quality (or lack of) being the first person to unify in 12 years is certainly worth mentioning, to just completely disregard it is a little unfair on the fighters.
if you can spare 40 swconds you can see his fight to win his first title v troyanovsky :SQuote:
Originally Posted by BatmanYup, I've only seen him against Burns,Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
https://youtu.be/Cg4HUUssp3U?t=225
I am looking forward to this one as I think crawford is great and always good to watch(bar his silly head taps on his opponents which he seems to love right now) and uniting all 4 belts is pretty and a cool achievement i think. Indongo looks pretty big and strong but very wild, I think crawford would have to be asleep to lose this one, I would love it if indongo won it though.
Some interesting stuff on the undercard too,although they mostly look like mismatches, whyte, jennings, gvozdyk and shakur stevenson. I always thought jennings had some talent, good to see him back in the ring at last after ortiz gave him a good beating.
I actually agree with you. I guess sometimes we do agree 😁Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
does anyone know if they are showing the pre televised stuff on some kind of webcast today, facebook/youtube/whatever?
He only did what every fighter hopes for though right, receive the trinket opportunity in career and win. I'm a sucker for obscure boxers thrown in and showing they can actually swim a bit and getting an even bigger shot. He's a massive underdog and should be as you said that left hand looks to be the danger zone and his footwork doesn't look fluid at all but he ended Kamote, Lyimo and Troyanavosky all on lefts so lets hope for a competitive fight/round at least ;D. It's not so much the trinket scramble and destroying Indongo will not enhance Crawfords ability or skill any higher than we already know it, but every division should be forced to sweep them up for one champion rather than into the wind with 4 different owners. Its a good thing for the sport. If Crawford is all business and less playing around, once he backs Indongo up in that straight line after early feel out it should be a wrap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
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Originally Posted by palmerq
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ESPN3 if you can stream it. Dish Network has it and think it's offered on Xbox live. Makes zero since to have 3rd channel with no cable :-XQuote:
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Any word on the IBF second day weigh in yet? Wondering if this affects Crawford at all or not.
No. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
not in canada... superchannel starts at 6pm pacific time so I will make do with what they have, quite a few interesting fights on the undercard though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli