Re: I'd like the Calzaghe victory to be the final chapter.
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Ice, you've all too often quoted compubox and advocated it's use.
Yet you turn around and come out wityh that?
Mayweather's performances cannot be compared to Hopkins.
Bernard was looking for a singhle shot and it would have been impressive had he stopped Calzaghe in that fashion.
Mayweather makes the opponent resepect his power by throwing in combination. Those are two things Bernard failed to do.
Ypu cannot say that Calzaghe respected Bernards power or was afraid of getting stopped when he was the aggresive fighter all night.
If landing less-telling punches meant that fighters would not be scored rounds, then fighters like Malignaggi, Williams and even the great Pernell Whittaker wouldn't be succesful at all.
True.
Bernard was tired at the end and used the last low blow to grab a break.
The only time i've ever used punchstats is for the ODLH vs Mayweather fight, and even those stats aren't completely accurate either. Im not turning anything around the fact is Hopkins landed the cleaner more effective blows, in some of those rounds according to punchstats Calzaghe out landed Hopkins by 9 or 10 punches, for example in the 10th round according to the stats Hopkins landed 13 punches, where as Calzaghe landed 23 punches, now out of those 13 punches they were all clean effective punches, where as Calzaghe's 23 punches were mostly pitter patter, im actually glad now you gave me the punch stats because you have actually helped my argument, i scored the 10th round for Hopkins, the 8th round for Hopkins, Hopkins landed 15 punches in the 8th round, where as Calzaghe landed 22, now again 15 of Hopkins punches were effective where as Calzaghe's 22 punches were mostly pitter patter, I also scored all the first 4 rounds for Hopkins based on his punches being more effective. The punchstats in those rounds aren't one sided at all when you take into account how many of Hopkins punches were solid effective punches, where as Calzaghe was mostly landing pitter patter. Again Donny your missing the point i never compared Mayweather to Hopkins in that way, what i meant is that Hopkins out put was low like Mayweather's but when he threw he made his punches count.
Initially, these 3 threads prove that you have indeed advocated punch stats in the past and gone against others who claimed their fighter scored the cleaner harder punches.
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingforum/34622-what-courage-pernell-whitaker-felix-trindad-fight.html
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingforum/34264-lewis-holyfield-1-a.html
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...isgrace-2.html
Ice, if you get into the ring and get hit by an elite level boxer, even his jabs will hurt. "pitty Pat" punching is disrespectful to the sport. You know this.
By disrespecting a victorious world champion you disrespect the sport.
Mayweather raised his punch output every time he has needed to. Hopkins was trying to grab a break for the last six rounds.
Fact is, Calzaghe won fairly.
Oh please Donny i hinted once at the punch stats in Marquez vs Pacquiao 2 fight because someone was going on about opinions don't matter thats why i mentioned punch stats or something like that, and Lewis vs Holyfield 1 and Pernell Whitaker vs Chavez are you being serious Donny ?? i mentioned that because they were robberies thats completely different. I just mis read what you said regarding Whitaker you was on about Tito vs Whitaker, well i will correct myself and say i mentioned punch stats in that fight because i was shocked the punch stats were so close considering Tito won about 9 rounds.
And are you trying to be funny or something Donny ?? i respect the sport more than your ever know. I train very hard when im getting ready for a fight and i respect every boxer who has a go at boxing it takes a lot of courage to get into the ring, most of my family have done boxing and i was brought up to respect boxing so please do not go there with me Donny, so what other way should i describe Calzaghe flurries in Hopkins fight ?? he throws a lot of those punches with almost an open glove which is pitter patter to me.
Re: I'd like the Calzaghe victory to be the final chapter.
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Yes, I said Calzaghe would beat up Hopkins. Ive no qualms with that. Hopkins was sharper and also dirtier than I was prepared for. But ultimately JC outlanded Hopkins and in most of the rounds. In the championship rounds Calzaghe was increasing the pressure and landing harder blows. Hopkins NEEDED those timeouts just to get through it. Calzaghe wasnt there to spoil, he brought the fight to Hopkins and he threw and landed a lot more.
I dont see what you are arguing really.
What im arguing is that what i implied is that really i thought Calzaghe would win like 7-5 but i didn't think he would get the decision in USA. Thats why i picked Hopkins by "Controversial" decision do you see what i mean now ??
Im talking about what are you arguing now. In regards to thinking Hopkins won. I could get what you are saying if it was a fight where the landed punches were close and one guy landed the harder shots. But not in a fight where the other guy was outlanded by over 100. Thats just delusional.
First off he did not out land Hopkins by almost 100 punches that is inaccurate stat, and secondly didn't Pavlik out land Taylor by almost 100 punches according to "Punchstats" in there 2nd fight ?? yet many people had Taylor winning that fight so are they all delusional as well ?? but the difference is here that Hopkins also scored a knock down which made the fight even closer.
Re: I'd like the Calzaghe victory to be the final chapter.
I can see were ICB is coming from. He liked the more effective but less thrown shots from Hopkins and combined with the KD felt Hop should have won. Others might like Calzaghe's workrate, pressure and punches thrown however most Calzaghe's shots were slaps IMO. I thought the fight was a draw and I ain't complaining that Calzaghe got it coz I wouldn't be if Hopkins got it. Either way it was very close.
Re: I'd like the Calzaghe victory to be the final chapter.
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Deanrw another neutral. Calzaghe wins by a landslide according to the neutrals. Fact.
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Amat has said plenty of times he don't like Calzaghe. He don't count.
Taeth i'll give you. I think he was a Calzaghe hater that turned into a liker so don't really count but still...
You don't count, Ice. You're a Calzaghe hater even though you pretend not to be.. admit it. ;D
Amat is neutral he never lets any biased in his scoring Fenster, and yes im so much of a Calzaghe hater i bought his career set ;)
You don't fool me, ice. ;)
And Amat once got upset with me because i was having a go at Hopkins. So he don't count.. but still.. i'm done.
Box on :cool:
To be honest Fenster i couldn't careless if you believe me or not, i know i bought Calzaghe career set. And i have been following Calzaghe for many years, just because i think Hopkins won doesn't make me a hater, it means i have a different opinion end of.
Re: I'd like the Calzaghe victory to be the final chapter.
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I can see were ICB is coming from. He liked the more effective but less thrown shots from Hopkins and combined with the KD felt Hop should have won. Others might like Calzaghe's workrate, pressure and punches thrown however most Calzaghe's shots were slaps IMO. I thought the fight was a draw and I ain't complaining that Calzaghe got it coz I wouldn't be if Hopkins got it. Either way it was very close.
Good post about time have some rep on me Lee.
Re: I'd like the Calzaghe victory to be the final chapter.
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I can see were ICB is coming from. He liked the more effective but less thrown shots from Hopkins and combined with the KD felt Hop should have won. Others might like Calzaghe's workrate, pressure and punches thrown however most Calzaghe's shots were slaps IMO. I thought the fight was a draw and I ain't complaining that Calzaghe got it coz I wouldn't be if Hopkins got it. Either way it was very close.
Good post about time have some rep on me Lee.
Thanks, have some rep back :)
Re: I'd like the Calzaghe victory to be the final chapter.
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The only time i've ever used punchstats is for the ODLH vs Mayweather fight, and even those stats aren't completely accurate either. Im not turning anything around the fact is Hopkins landed the cleaner more effective blows, in some of those rounds according to punchstats Calzaghe out landed Hopkins by 9 or 10 punches, for example in the 10th round according to the stats Hopkins landed 13 punches, where as Calzaghe landed 23 punches, now out of those 13 punches they were all clean effective punches, where as Calzaghe's 23 punches were mostly pitter patter, im actually glad now you gave me the punch stats because you have actually helped my argument, i scored the 10th round for Hopkins, the 8th round for Hopkins, Hopkins landed 15 punches in the 8th round, where as Calzaghe landed 22, now again 15 of Hopkins punches were effective where as Calzaghe's 22 punches were mostly pitter patter, I also scored all the first 4 rounds for Hopkins based on his punches being more effective. The punchstats in those rounds aren't one sided at all when you take into account how many of Hopkins punches were solid effective punches, where as Calzaghe was mostly landing pitter patter. Again Donny your missing the point i never compared Mayweather to Hopkins in that way, what i meant is that Hopkins out put was low like Mayweather's but when he threw he made his punches count.
Initially, these 3 threads prove that you have indeed advocated punch stats in the past and gone against others who claimed their fighter scored the cleaner harder punches.
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingforum/34622-what-courage-pernell-whitaker-felix-trindad-fight.html
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingforum/34264-lewis-holyfield-1-a.html
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...isgrace-2.html
Ice, if you get into the ring and get hit by an elite level boxer, even his jabs will hurt. "pitty Pat" punching is disrespectful to the sport. You know this.
By disrespecting a victorious world champion you disrespect the sport.
Mayweather raised his punch output every time he has needed to. Hopkins was trying to grab a break for the last six rounds.
Fact is, Calzaghe won fairly.
Oh please Donny i hinted once at the punch stats in Marquez vs Pacquiao 2 fight because someone was going on about opinions don't matter thats why i mentioned punch stats or something like that, and Lewis vs Holyfield 1 and Pernell Whitaker vs Chavez are you being serious Donny ?? i mentioned that because they were robberies thats completely different. I just mis read what you said regarding Whitaker you was on about Tito vs Whitaker, well i will correct myself and say i mentioned punch stats in that fight because i was shocked the punch stats were so close considering Tito won about 9 rounds.
And are you trying to be funny or something Donny ?? i respect the sport more than your ever know. I train very hard when im getting ready for a fight and i respect every boxer who has a go at boxing it takes a lot of courage to get into the ring, most of my family have done boxing and i was brought up to respect boxing so please do not go there with me Donny, so what other way should i describe Calzaghe flurries in Hopkins fight ?? he throws a lot of those punches with almost an open glove which is pitter patter to me.
I'm not a funny guy at all, I'm deadly serious.
You claimed you never mentioned punch stats.
I just searched "Cold Boxing punch stats," and got hundreds of results.
Ice it's what you are famous for on this site, using punch stats.
Disrespecting a legitimate world champion who has proved his mettle against some very good fighters is not onle making light of his career, but of every opponent he ever faced, ever belt he ever held and every fan who ever supported him.
I'm not going to reply to your family details as thats when feelings get hurt.
Have you ever broken your hand?
Re: I'd like the Calzaghe victory to be the final chapter.
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What im arguing is that what i implied is that really i thought Calzaghe would win like 7-5 but i didn't think he would get the decision in USA. Thats why i picked Hopkins by "Controversial" decision do you see what i mean now ??
Im talking about what are you arguing now. In regards to thinking Hopkins won. I could get what you are saying if it was a fight where the landed punches were close and one guy landed the harder shots. But not in a fight where the other guy was outlanded by over 100. Thats just delusional.
First off he did not out land Hopkins by almost 100 punches that is inaccurate stat, and secondly didn't Pavlik out land Taylor by almost 100 punches according to "Punchstats" in there 2nd fight ?? yet many people had Taylor winning that fight so are they all delusional as well ?? but the difference is here that Hopkins also scored a knock down which made the fight even closer.
You saw only the fight you wanted to see and little will persuade you otherwise. Pavlik beat Taylor by my reckoning so I dont know what thats all about either. The Hopkins knockdown was 1 point extra and doesnt play a deciding role for me.
Do you remember Barrera: Marquez? I had issues with that scoring and so did you. Part of that was because Barrera was actually punch for punch with Marquez. I thought Barrera controlled more rounds than Marquez. Didnt Marquez land the harder shots there though? By this latest reckoning you should have scored that fight to Marquez.
At least try and be consistent with how you score a fight. :rolleyes:
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Im talking about what are you arguing now. In regards to thinking Hopkins won. I could get what you are saying if it was a fight where the landed punches were close and one guy landed the harder shots. But not in a fight where the other guy was outlanded by over 100. Thats just delusional.
First off he did not out land Hopkins by almost 100 punches that is inaccurate stat, and secondly didn't Pavlik out land Taylor by almost 100 punches according to "Punchstats" in there 2nd fight ?? yet many people had Taylor winning that fight so are they all delusional as well ?? but the difference is here that Hopkins also scored a knock down which made the fight even closer.
You saw only the fight you wanted to see and little will persuade you otherwise. Pavlik beat Taylor by my reckoning so I dont know what thats all about either. The Hopkins knockdown was 1 point extra and doesnt play a deciding role for me.
Do you remember Barrera: Marquez? I had issues with that scoring and so did you. Part of that was because Barrera was actually punch for punch with Marquez. I thought Barrera controlled more rounds than Marquez. Didnt Marquez land the harder shots there though? By this latest reckoning you should have scored that fight to Marquez.
At least try and be consistent with how you score a fight. :rolleyes:
Firstly why are you comparing Marquez vs Barrera to Hopkins vs Calzaghe ?? there two totally different fights. Marquez landed more power punches according to punch stats but thats only because he had two one sided rounds especially the 7th so again its misleading stat, Barrera landed the harder shots IMO, did you see Marquez's face ?? he looked like he had been smashed into brick wall.
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Oh please Donny i hinted once at the punch stats in Marquez vs Pacquiao 2 fight because someone was going on about opinions don't matter thats why i mentioned punch stats or something like that, and Lewis vs Holyfield 1 and Pernell Whitaker vs Chavez are you being serious Donny ?? i mentioned that because they were robberies thats completely different. I just mis read what you said regarding Whitaker you was on about Tito vs Whitaker, well i will correct myself and say i mentioned punch stats in that fight because i was shocked the punch stats were so close considering Tito won about 9 rounds.
And are you trying to be funny or something Donny ?? i respect the sport more than your ever know. I train very hard when im getting ready for a fight and i respect every boxer who has a go at boxing it takes a lot of courage to get into the ring, most of my family have done boxing and i was brought up to respect boxing so please do not go there with me Donny, so what other way should i describe Calzaghe flurries in Hopkins fight ?? he throws a lot of those punches with almost an open glove which is pitter patter to me.
I'm not a funny guy at all, I'm deadly serious.
You claimed you never mentioned punch stats.
I just searched "Cold Boxing punch stats," and got hundreds of results.
Ice it's what you are famous for on this site, using punch stats.
Disrespecting a legitimate world champion who has proved his mettle against some very good fighters is not onle making light of his career, but of every opponent he ever faced, ever belt he ever held and every fan who ever supported him.
I'm not going to reply to your family details as thats when feelings get hurt.
Have you ever broken your hand?
I didn't mean funny like that you know exactly what i meant Donny :rolleyes:
I may of mentioned punch stats in the past but i can't remember that far back, but all i know is that in the last 6 months i have disregarded them as inaccurate stat, because i have learnt more about them in the last 6 months.
I don't see how thats disrespecting Calzaghe ?? i already gave him his credit but most of his flurries in Hopkins fight were slapping punches and i describe them as pitter patter, which way should i describe them ?? "Devastating powerful flurries" ??
And yes actually i have broken my hand not badly but yes, and with that comment your implying im blaming Calzaghe right ?? well your wrong again im not discrediting Calzaghe for his flurries i know how painful it is, but they are still pitter patter slapping punches end of.
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First off he did not out land Hopkins by almost 100 punches that is inaccurate stat, and secondly didn't Pavlik out land Taylor by almost 100 punches according to "Punchstats" in there 2nd fight ?? yet many people had Taylor winning that fight so are they all delusional as well ?? but the difference is here that Hopkins also scored a knock down which made the fight even closer.
You saw only the fight you wanted to see and little will persuade you otherwise. Pavlik beat Taylor by my reckoning so I dont know what thats all about either. The Hopkins knockdown was 1 point extra and doesnt play a deciding role for me.
Do you remember Barrera: Marquez? I had issues with that scoring and so did you. Part of that was because Barrera was actually punch for punch with Marquez. I thought Barrera controlled more rounds than Marquez. Didnt Marquez land the harder shots there though? By this latest reckoning you should have scored that fight to Marquez.
At least try and be consistent with how you score a fight. :rolleyes:
Firstly why are you comparing Marquez vs Barrera to Hopkins vs Calzaghe ?? there two totally different fights. Marquez landed more power punches according to punch stats but thats only because he had two one sided rounds especially the 7th so again its misleading stat, Barrera landed the harder shots IMO, did you see Marquez's face ?? he looked like he had been smashed into brick wall.
You keep saying first or firstly and never actually follow up with a second or secondly.
Regardless, I bring it up because the way you argue is flawed and lacks consistency. Barrera was the controller of many of those rounds just as Calzaghe was against Hopkins. Barrera's big punch was essentially the jab against Marquez. It doesnt matter who landed the harder shots, at the end of the day. Barrera's harder shots were not even counted.
That was a fight that was close. This wasnt really that close. Is it really about "who has the most busted up face"? No it isnt. Not by a long shot.
Re: I'd like the Calzaghe victory to be the final chapter.
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Oh please Donny i hinted once at the punch stats in Marquez vs Pacquiao 2 fight because someone was going on about opinions don't matter thats why i mentioned punch stats or something like that, and Lewis vs Holyfield 1 and Pernell Whitaker vs Chavez are you being serious Donny ?? i mentioned that because they were robberies thats completely different. I just mis read what you said regarding Whitaker you was on about Tito vs Whitaker, well i will correct myself and say i mentioned punch stats in that fight because i was shocked the punch stats were so close considering Tito won about 9 rounds.
And are you trying to be funny or something Donny ?? i respect the sport more than your ever know. I train very hard when im getting ready for a fight and i respect every boxer who has a go at boxing it takes a lot of courage to get into the ring, most of my family have done boxing and i was brought up to respect boxing so please do not go there with me Donny, so what other way should i describe Calzaghe flurries in Hopkins fight ?? he throws a lot of those punches with almost an open glove which is pitter patter to me.
I'm not a funny guy at all, I'm deadly serious.
You claimed you never mentioned punch stats.
I just searched "Cold Boxing punch stats," and got hundreds of results.
Ice it's what you are famous for on this site, using punch stats.
Disrespecting a legitimate world champion who has proved his mettle against some very good fighters is not onle making light of his career, but of every opponent he ever faced, ever belt he ever held and every fan who ever supported him.
I'm not going to reply to your family details as thats when feelings get hurt.
Have you ever broken your hand?
I didn't mean funny like that you know exactly what i meant Donny :rolleyes:
I may of mentioned punch stats in the past but i can't remember that far back, but all i know is that in the last 6 months i have disregarded them as inaccurate stat, because i have learnt more about them in the last 6 months.
I don't see how thats disrespecting Calzaghe ?? i already gave him his credit but most of his flurries in Hopkins fight were slapping punches and i describe them as pitter patter, which way should i describe them ?? "Devastating powerful flurries" ??
And yes actually i have broken my hand not badly but yes, and with that comment your implying im blaming Calzaghe right ?? well your wrong again im not discrediting Calzaghe for his flurries i know how painful it is, but they are still pitter patter slapping punches end of.
I know exactly what you were talking about.
In exactly the same way you knew what I was talking about when I said that you had used punch stats on numerous occasions. Yet you denied that.
No matter.
If a novice was at ringside during one of your fights, a guy you considered a lesser boxer than yourself and he called you a pitty pat puncher, would you feel offended?
So if you have broken your hand you realise that mentally, you are always concious of breaking it again.
You always worry, you'll be throwing a punch and you'll feel that horrible crack again and you will be disabled for the remaining duration of the fight.
Would you not arm punch also if you were concious of this in every fight?
In addition add Hopkins. A man with a hrad head. Try hitting your toughest sparring partner square on in the forehead. It hurts trust me.
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You saw only the fight you wanted to see and little will persuade you otherwise. Pavlik beat Taylor by my reckoning so I dont know what thats all about either. The Hopkins knockdown was 1 point extra and doesnt play a deciding role for me.
Do you remember Barrera: Marquez? I had issues with that scoring and so did you. Part of that was because Barrera was actually punch for punch with Marquez. I thought Barrera controlled more rounds than Marquez. Didnt Marquez land the harder shots there though? By this latest reckoning you should have scored that fight to Marquez.
At least try and be consistent with how you score a fight. :rolleyes:
Firstly why are you comparing Marquez vs Barrera to Hopkins vs Calzaghe ?? there two totally different fights. Marquez landed more power punches according to punch stats but thats only because he had two one sided rounds especially the 7th so again its misleading stat, Barrera landed the harder shots IMO, did you see Marquez's face ?? he looked like he had been smashed into brick wall.
You keep saying first or firstly and never actually follow up with a second or secondly.
Regardless, I bring it up because the way you argue is flawed and lacks consistency. Barrera was the controller of many of those rounds just as Calzaghe was against Hopkins. Barrera's big punch was essentially the jab against Marquez. It doesnt matter who landed the harder shots, at the end of the day. Barrera's harder shots were not even counted.
That was a fight that was close. This wasnt really that close. Is it really about "who has the most busted up face"? No it isnt. Not by a long shot.
See i hate when people try and pick apart my posting i think you need to look at yourself Miles, your comparing Barrera vs Marquez to Hopkins vs Calzaghe, and there not even comparable one little bit, first off it was not only that Marquez's face was busted up you could see Barrera was landing the slightly more hurtful shots. Secondly Hopkins vs Calzaghe is not even comparable Calzaghe was landing nowhere near with the some ferocity or power of Marquez or Barrera, Hopkins clearly landed the more hurtful shots and like i said if a boxer lands 10 power shots in a round and the other boxer lands 25 non effective punches then i'll score it for the guy who landed 10 power shots, just because i scored Marquez vs Barrera a draw and it was hard to score, doesn't mean i can't have Hopkins winning thats silly logic because every fight is different.
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ICB
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I'm not a funny guy at all, I'm deadly serious.
You claimed you never mentioned punch stats.
I just searched "Cold Boxing punch stats," and got hundreds of results.
Ice it's what you are famous for on this site, using punch stats.
Disrespecting a legitimate world champion who has proved his mettle against some very good fighters is not onle making light of his career, but of every opponent he ever faced, ever belt he ever held and every fan who ever supported him.
I'm not going to reply to your family details as thats when feelings get hurt.
Have you ever broken your hand?
I didn't mean funny like that you know exactly what i meant Donny :rolleyes:
I may of mentioned punch stats in the past but i can't remember that far back, but all i know is that in the last 6 months i have disregarded them as inaccurate stat, because i have learnt more about them in the last 6 months.
I don't see how thats disrespecting Calzaghe ?? i already gave him his credit but most of his flurries in Hopkins fight were slapping punches and i describe them as pitter patter, which way should i describe them ?? "Devastating powerful flurries" ??
And yes actually i have broken my hand not badly but yes, and with that comment your implying im blaming Calzaghe right ?? well your wrong again im not discrediting Calzaghe for his flurries i know how painful it is, but they are still pitter patter slapping punches end of.
I know exactly what you were talking about.
In exactly the same way you knew what I was talking about when I said that you had used punch stats on numerous occasions. Yet you denied that.
No matter.
If a novice was at ringside during one of your fights, a guy you considered a lesser boxer than yourself and he called you a pitty pat puncher, would you feel offended?
So if you have broken your hand you realise that mentally, you are always concious of breaking it again.
You always worry, you'll be throwing a punch and you'll feel that horrible crack again and you will be disabled for the remaining duration of the fight.
Would you not arm punch also if you were concious of this in every fight?
In addition add Hopkins. A man with a hrad head. Try hitting your toughest sparring partner square on in the forehead. It hurts trust me.
All you did is say exactly what i was trying to say Donny, if you look at my post didn't i say it wasn't Calzaghe's fault ?? i know exactly what he is going through. But that doesn't change the fact that they are slapping punches end of, i don't really understand why you consider pitter patter offensive and not slapping, i really don't know what other way i can explain it ?? thats just an expression Donny its not meant to be offensive.
Re: I'd like the Calzaghe victory to be the final chapter.
Very good post donny.
I agree he has now silenced the critics, albeit not emphatically via a close victory against hopkins where hopkins made calzaghe look bad (or a lot worse than he has done against previous fighters).
It is true that calzaghe could now retire undefeated at 45,0,0 after beating eubank, lacy, reid, kessler and hopkins in his career as a great champ for over 11 years.
BUT...a very big BUT;)
I put it to you guys that calzaghe is not content at being a great fighter and a hall of famer. Calzaghe might want to be THE BEST fighter of this generation and era. Calzaghe could retire and be known as a great champ HOWEVER if he was to beat 2 more quality opponents such as roy jones and pavlik, even KO those opponents then i think a case can be made that calzaghe is perhaps the best fighter of this generation and will retire p4p number 1 (of course depending on what floyd does and his results/upcoming fights).
Let me give a scenario, a possible outcome of events:
Calzaghe fights jones at millenium stadium in cardiff in a real exciting fight, it will be complete fireworks from both fighters and one wins, lets say in this scenarop it is calzaghe who is triumphant. Both fighters share a purse of 30 million dollars from this fight!!!
Lets face it, this is the only match up that roy jones is gonna get that could propel him to such a big money fight, it also would mean if jones wins he could have a rematch against tarver and avenge his losses, jones has a lot to gain both for his legacy and financially, so to does calzaghe.
Calzaghe then faces pavlik in madison sq for his super middle weight belts as a defense. The scenario is that calzaghe ties up pavlik and confuses him on the inside, finds his range at distance and negates pavlik's heavy hands, calzaghe counters and brawls on the inside and ko's pavlik in a possible byron mitchell style exchange.
So...if this were to occur, calzaghe then goes to 47,0,0, totally undefeated champ at 2 weight classes, retires the ring magazine undisputed champ at super middle and light heavy weight, will have been champ for 12 whole years and made the most title defenses ever. Having beaten the likes of EUBANK, LACY, REID, KESSLER, HOPKINS, JONES AND PAVLIK!!!
If this occurs, then calzaghe not only will make an extra 15 million pounds from the next 2 fights BUT ALSO he will go into that extremely special realm beyond the hall of fame that is there only for the complete legendary fighters.
Come on guys, i know many people hate joe calzaghe, they love to hate him, but slowly the american media are starting to love the guy.
When you look at saturday's match up it was actually a classic fight of all time, think about it, like a hollywood story...starts off with the wily dirty tactic american baddy character hopkins calling out calzaghe the undefeated champ from newbridge in wales, hopkins with his trash talking, his 'dream team' etc etc and calzaghe training with his dad in an unknown little village in wales. The racist comments made by hopkins towards calzaghe at the beginning of the fight showing hopkins bad attitude.
Hopkins puts calzaghe down in the first round and is bossing the second and wins the third, most of the doubters are relishing the thought of the newbridge lad being beaten and shown up to say 'i told you so', but the newbridge lad adapts his style like a true champ, he starts negating and nullifying the hopkins counter and sharp right hands as he comes in to attack hopkins with one two's then hopkins cant counter anymore as calzaghes figured it out and so he starts clinching and using the dirty tactics, culminating in a 3 minute time out for a blow that was barely low at all, the crowd are booing and slowly calzaghe is winning the crowd, the newbridge lad has 2 final rounds. Calzaghe takes the 11th and they both head for the championship round, hopkins is in the corner knackered and barely saying a word, he looks totally fatigued and drained in this last round although unscathed, they both step out for the championship round AND IT ALL COMES DOWN TO THIS ROUND!!! Calzaghe is the faster more aggressive and dominant fighter who wins the round and it goes to the score cards...the atmosphere is super tense and a split decission is announced, hopkins gets the first call by 1 point and the next to go to calzaghe...the lad from a small village in wales, uk has beaten the baddy, overcome the taunts and dirty tactics...its kinda like a rocky movie almost:)
When you look at it like that, i know its so painful for some of the haters to smile or even stop frowning when they see or hear that name 'joe calzaghe', but a fighter who is described as a 'weak, slapping, non straight punching brawler' if he ends up being 47,0,0 fighting all over the world, totally undefeated and champ for 12 years at 2 weights undisputed, with wins against eubank, reid, lacy, kessler, hopkins, jones and pavlik (if he beats jones and pavlik)...it kind of is something out of a fairy tale surely?
Surely even then after all that, all of the doubters and even most of the haters (sure youll still get the people who still cant even raise an eyebrow to him but that is their ignorance) will have switched around and totally silenced...meanwhile critics and writers will be saying that he is probably the best fighter of the generation.
He could either retire now and be known as a great fighter OR he has the chance to go on and beat jones and pavlik to propel himself to p4p number 1 status and retire a complete legend in boxing!
If floyd loses to cotto, or perhaps he loses to margarito or de la hoya then floyd is out of the p4p number 1 spot and if calzaghe beats jones and pavlik it puts him as number 1...this is a possible outcome and calzaghe knows it.
It all dependson how calzaghe feels, does he feel he has what it takes? Is joe calzaghe what he says he is? He silenced many a doubter on saturday night but if he beats jones and pavlik he would then become one of the greatest legends in the sport!
To be honest i think a lot of the haters are afraid of this, a lot of guys just dont want to see him win against these fighters, i dont know if its because hes british or whatever reason, but a lot of the doubters and haters that still arent convinved about his ability (afterall he did something that tarver and wright couldnt come close to doing, he beat an on form light heavy bernard hopkins)...i think they dont want to see him fight because they know deep down that the possibility is there that calzaghe will beat jones and pavlik and have beaten the best america had to offer and comprehensively beaten THE WORLD!
Just a possibility, but i think a lot of the doubters and haters are scared.
