I'd like the Calzaghe victory to be the final chapter.

[ICB]

Ice, you've all too often quoted compubox and advocated it's use.
Yet you turn around and come out wityh that?

Mayweather's performances cannot be compared to Hopkins.
Bernard was looking for a singhle shot and it would have been impressive had he stopped Calzaghe in that fashion.
Mayweather makes the opponent resepect his power by throwing in combination. Those are two things Bernard failed to do.
Ypu cannot say that Calzaghe respected Bernards power or was afraid of getting stopped when he was the aggresive fighter all night.

If landing less-telling punches meant that fighters would not be scored rounds, then fighters like Malignaggi, Williams and even the great Pernell Whittaker wouldn't be succesful at all.


True.
Bernard was tired at the end and used the last low blow to grab a break.

The only time i've ever used punchstats is for the ODLH vs Mayweather fight, and even those stats aren't completely accurate either. Im not turning anything around the fact is Hopkins landed the cleaner more effective blows, in some of those rounds according to punchstats Calzaghe out landed Hopkins by 9 or 10 punches, for example in the 10th round according to the stats Hopkins landed 13 punches, where as Calzaghe landed 23 punches, now out of those 13 punches they were all clean effective punches, where as Calzaghe's 23 punches were mostly pitter patter, im actually glad now you gave me the punch stats because you have actually helped my argument, i scored the 10th round for Hopkins, the 8th round for Hopkins, Hopkins landed 15 punches in the 8th round, where as Calzaghe landed 22, now again 15 of Hopkins punches were effective where as Calzaghe's 22 punches were mostly pitter patter, I also scored all the first 4 rounds for Hopkins based on his punches being more effective. The punchstats in those rounds aren't one sided at all when you take into account how many of Hopkins punches were solid effective punches, where as Calzaghe was mostly landing pitter patter. Again Donny your missing the point i never compared Mayweather to Hopkins in that way, what i meant is that Hopkins out put was low like Mayweather's but when he threw he made his punches count.

Initially, these 3 threads prove that you have indeed advocated punch stats in the past and gone against others who claimed their fighter scored the cleaner harder punches.
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingforum/34622-what-courage-pernell-whitaker-felix-trindad-fight.html

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingforum/34264-lewis-holyfield-1-a.html

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...isgrace-2.html

Ice, if you get into the ring and get hit by an elite level boxer, even his jabs will hurt. "pitty Pat" punching is disrespectful to the sport. You know this.
By disrespecting a victorious world champion you disrespect the sport.


Mayweather raised his punch output every time he has needed to. Hopkins was trying to grab a break for the last six rounds.

Fact is, Calzaghe won fairly.

Oh please Donny i hinted once at the punch stats in Marquez vs Pacquiao 2 fight because someone was going on about opinions don't matter thats why i mentioned punch stats or something like that, and Lewis vs Holyfield 1 and Pernell Whitaker vs Chavez are you being serious Donny ?? i mentioned that because they were robberies thats completely different. I just mis read what you said regarding Whitaker you was on about Tito vs Whitaker, well i will correct myself and say i mentioned punch stats in that fight because i was shocked the punch stats were so close considering Tito won about 9 rounds.

And are you trying to be funny or something Donny ?? i respect the sport more than your ever know. I train very hard when im getting ready for a fight and i respect every boxer who has a go at boxing it takes a lot of courage to get into the ring, most of my family have done boxing and i was brought up to respect boxing so please do not go there with me Donny, so what other way should i describe Calzaghe flurries in Hopkins fight ?? he throws a lot of those punches with almost an open glove which is pitter patter to me.

[leftylee]

I can see were ICB is coming from. He liked the more effective but less thrown shots from Hopkins and combined with the KD felt Hop should have won. Others might like Calzaghe's workrate, pressure and punches thrown however most Calzaghe's shots were slaps IMO. I thought the fight was a draw and I ain't complaining that Calzaghe got it coz I wouldn't be if Hopkins got it. Either way it was very close.

[ICB]

I can see were ICB is coming from. He liked the more effective but less thrown shots from Hopkins and combined with the KD felt Hop should have won. Others might like Calzaghe's workrate, pressure and punches thrown however most Calzaghe's shots were slaps IMO. I thought the fight was a draw and I ain't complaining that Calzaghe got it coz I wouldn't be if Hopkins got it. Either way it was very close.

Good post about time have some rep on me Lee.

[leftylee]

I can see were ICB is coming from. He liked the more effective but less thrown shots from Hopkins and combined with the KD felt Hop should have won. Others might like Calzaghe's workrate, pressure and punches thrown however most Calzaghe's shots were slaps IMO. I thought the fight was a draw and I ain't complaining that Calzaghe got it coz I wouldn't be if Hopkins got it. Either way it was very close.

Good post about time have some rep on me Lee.

Thanks, have some rep back

[donnydarkoIRL]

The only time i've ever used punchstats is for the ODLH vs Mayweather fight, and even those stats aren't completely accurate either. Im not turning anything around the fact is Hopkins landed the cleaner more effective blows, in some of those rounds according to punchstats Calzaghe out landed Hopkins by 9 or 10 punches, for example in the 10th round according to the stats Hopkins landed 13 punches, where as Calzaghe landed 23 punches, now out of those 13 punches they were all clean effective punches, where as Calzaghe's 23 punches were mostly pitter patter, im actually glad now you gave me the punch stats because you have actually helped my argument, i scored the 10th round for Hopkins, the 8th round for Hopkins, Hopkins landed 15 punches in the 8th round, where as Calzaghe landed 22, now again 15 of Hopkins punches were effective where as Calzaghe's 22 punches were mostly pitter patter, I also scored all the first 4 rounds for Hopkins based on his punches being more effective. The punchstats in those rounds aren't one sided at all when you take into account how many of Hopkins punches were solid effective punches, where as Calzaghe was mostly landing pitter patter. Again Donny your missing the point i never compared Mayweather to Hopkins in that way, what i meant is that Hopkins out put was low like Mayweather's but when he threw he made his punches count.

Initially, these 3 threads prove that you have indeed advocated punch stats in the past and gone against others who claimed their fighter scored the cleaner harder punches.
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingforum/34622-what-courage-pernell-whitaker-felix-trindad-fight.html

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingforum/34264-lewis-holyfield-1-a.html

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...isgrace-2.html

Ice, if you get into the ring and get hit by an elite level boxer, even his jabs will hurt. "pitty Pat" punching is disrespectful to the sport. You know this.
By disrespecting a victorious world champion you disrespect the sport.


Mayweather raised his punch output every time he has needed to. Hopkins was trying to grab a break for the last six rounds.

Fact is, Calzaghe won fairly.

Oh please Donny i hinted once at the punch stats in Marquez vs Pacquiao 2 fight because someone was going on about opinions don't matter thats why i mentioned punch stats or something like that, and Lewis vs Holyfield 1 and Pernell Whitaker vs Chavez are you being serious Donny ?? i mentioned that because they were robberies thats completely different. I just mis read what you said regarding Whitaker you was on about Tito vs Whitaker, well i will correct myself and say i mentioned punch stats in that fight because i was shocked the punch stats were so close considering Tito won about 9 rounds.

And are you trying to be funny or something Donny ?? i respect the sport more than your ever know. I train very hard when im getting ready for a fight and i respect every boxer who has a go at boxing it takes a lot of courage to get into the ring, most of my family have done boxing and i was brought up to respect boxing so please do not go there with me Donny, so what other way should i describe Calzaghe flurries in Hopkins fight ?? he throws a lot of those punches with almost an open glove which is pitter patter to me.

I'm not a funny guy at all, I'm deadly serious.
You claimed you never mentioned punch stats.
I just searched "Cold Boxing punch stats," and got hundreds of results.
Ice it's what you are famous for on this site, using punch stats.


Disrespecting a legitimate world champion who has proved his mettle against some very good fighters is not onle making light of his career, but of every opponent he ever faced, ever belt he ever held and every fan who ever supported him.

I'm not going to reply to your family details as thats when feelings get hurt.

Have you ever broken your hand?

[ICB]

Initially, these 3 threads prove that you have indeed advocated punch stats in the past and gone against others who claimed their fighter scored the cleaner harder punches.
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingforum/34622-what-courage-pernell-whitaker-felix-trindad-fight.html

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingforum/34264-lewis-holyfield-1-a.html

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...isgrace-2.html

Ice, if you get into the ring and get hit by an elite level boxer, even his jabs will hurt. "pitty Pat" punching is disrespectful to the sport. You know this.
By disrespecting a victorious world champion you disrespect the sport.


Mayweather raised his punch output every time he has needed to. Hopkins was trying to grab a break for the last six rounds.

Fact is, Calzaghe won fairly.

Oh please Donny i hinted once at the punch stats in Marquez vs Pacquiao 2 fight because someone was going on about opinions don't matter thats why i mentioned punch stats or something like that, and Lewis vs Holyfield 1 and Pernell Whitaker vs Chavez are you being serious Donny ?? i mentioned that because they were robberies thats completely different. I just mis read what you said regarding Whitaker you was on about Tito vs Whitaker, well i will correct myself and say i mentioned punch stats in that fight because i was shocked the punch stats were so close considering Tito won about 9 rounds.

And are you trying to be funny or something Donny ?? i respect the sport more than your ever know. I train very hard when im getting ready for a fight and i respect every boxer who has a go at boxing it takes a lot of courage to get into the ring, most of my family have done boxing and i was brought up to respect boxing so please do not go there with me Donny, so what other way should i describe Calzaghe flurries in Hopkins fight ?? he throws a lot of those punches with almost an open glove which is pitter patter to me.

I'm not a funny guy at all, I'm deadly serious.
You claimed you never mentioned punch stats.
I just searched "Cold Boxing punch stats," and got hundreds of results.
Ice it's what you are famous for on this site, using punch stats.


Disrespecting a legitimate world champion who has proved his mettle against some very good fighters is not onle making light of his career, but of every opponent he ever faced, ever belt he ever held and every fan who ever supported him.

I'm not going to reply to your family details as thats when feelings get hurt.

Have you ever broken your hand?

I didn't mean funny like that you know exactly what i meant Donny

I may of mentioned punch stats in the past but i can't remember that far back, but all i know is that in the last 6 months i have disregarded them as inaccurate stat, because i have learnt more about them in the last 6 months.

I don't see how thats disrespecting Calzaghe ?? i already gave him his credit but most of his flurries in Hopkins fight were slapping punches and i describe them as pitter patter, which way should i describe them ?? "Devastating powerful flurries" ??

And yes actually i have broken my hand not badly but yes, and with that comment your implying im blaming Calzaghe right ?? well your wrong again im not discrediting Calzaghe for his flurries i know how painful it is, but they are still pitter patter slapping punches end of.

[donnydarkoIRL]

Oh please Donny i hinted once at the punch stats in Marquez vs Pacquiao 2 fight because someone was going on about opinions don't matter thats why i mentioned punch stats or something like that, and Lewis vs Holyfield 1 and Pernell Whitaker vs Chavez are you being serious Donny ?? i mentioned that because they were robberies thats completely different. I just mis read what you said regarding Whitaker you was on about Tito vs Whitaker, well i will correct myself and say i mentioned punch stats in that fight because i was shocked the punch stats were so close considering Tito won about 9 rounds.

And are you trying to be funny or something Donny ?? i respect the sport more than your ever know. I train very hard when im getting ready for a fight and i respect every boxer who has a go at boxing it takes a lot of courage to get into the ring, most of my family have done boxing and i was brought up to respect boxing so please do not go there with me Donny, so what other way should i describe Calzaghe flurries in Hopkins fight ?? he throws a lot of those punches with almost an open glove which is pitter patter to me.

I'm not a funny guy at all, I'm deadly serious.
You claimed you never mentioned punch stats.
I just searched "Cold Boxing punch stats," and got hundreds of results.
Ice it's what you are famous for on this site, using punch stats.


Disrespecting a legitimate world champion who has proved his mettle against some very good fighters is not onle making light of his career, but of every opponent he ever faced, ever belt he ever held and every fan who ever supported him.

I'm not going to reply to your family details as thats when feelings get hurt.

Have you ever broken your hand?

I didn't mean funny like that you know exactly what i meant Donny

I may of mentioned punch stats in the past but i can't remember that far back, but all i know is that in the last 6 months i have disregarded them as inaccurate stat, because i have learnt more about them in the last 6 months.

I don't see how thats disrespecting Calzaghe ?? i already gave him his credit but most of his flurries in Hopkins fight were slapping punches and i describe them as pitter patter, which way should i describe them ?? "Devastating powerful flurries" ??

And yes actually i have broken my hand not badly but yes, and with that comment your implying im blaming Calzaghe right ?? well your wrong again im not discrediting Calzaghe for his flurries i know how painful it is, but they are still pitter patter slapping punches end of.

I know exactly what you were talking about.
In exactly the same way you knew what I was talking about when I said that you had used punch stats on numerous occasions. Yet you denied that.
No matter.

If a novice was at ringside during one of your fights, a guy you considered a lesser boxer than yourself and he called you a pitty pat puncher, would you feel offended?

So if you have broken your hand you realise that mentally, you are always concious of breaking it again.
You always worry, you'll be throwing a punch and you'll feel that horrible crack again and you will be disabled for the remaining duration of the fight.
Would you not arm punch also if you were concious of this in every fight?
In addition add Hopkins. A man with a hrad head. Try hitting your toughest sparring partner square on in the forehead. It hurts trust me.