So winning a world title doesn't make you world class? Interesting.
What exactly does make someone world class then?
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So winning a world title doesn't make you world class? Interesting.
What exactly does make someone world class then?
Skill wouldn't hurt.
Well if your putting it that way then Mikkel Kessler was overrated then ? which in turn doesn't make Joe Calzaghe's win over Mikkel Kessler that impressive then ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
That was EXACTLY the situation for Lacy-Calzaghe. Unfortunately you weren't here to inform everyone what a pointless match it was between two such ordinary fighters. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBMikkel Kessler i rate as a good win because i think he is one of the best technical fighters out there. He had some solid wins against Librado Andrade, Craig Cummings, Anthony Mundine, he may not have the best wins in the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
But he is a much better fighter than Jeff Lacy ever was, and it was between the two best Super Middleweights in the world and people were demanding the fight. I rated Mikkel Kessler as a good fighter before and after the Joe Calzaghe fight. And i give Joe Calzaghe alot of props for winning the fight.
Kessler's solid wins - Librado Andrade, Craig Cummings, Anthony Mundine.
Not very impressive is it? Beating those couldn't have led you to believe Kessler was "world class?" I don't see how they are any better than Lacy beating Sheika, Vanderpool, Reid, Pemberton. You knew Lacy wasn't "world class", right?
So basically you rate Kessler as "world class" because you like his style. He has no "world class" wins going by your criteria. Therefore shouldn't be rated as a "good" win for Calzaghe.. Or any better than his other "questionable" wins.
Man do you want me to make a poll on the main board ? I can name a number of former world champs who aren't world class. I can't believe that the statement right there implies Gavin Rees or fukking Sultan Ibragimov was/were/are world class fighters :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
I want you guys to educate me on what exactly makes someone world class?
Thats all. ;)
Yes, skill wouldn't hurt.Quote:
Originally Posted by intoccabile
Comes in handy.
Sure.. once you tell us what makes Sam Paters or Jeff Lacey world class.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
A fighter who has world class skills and beats top fighters time again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Something neither of them have when against opponents who are actually world class.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterYes, skill wouldn't hurt.Quote:
Originally Posted by intoccabile
Comes in handy.
Is Peter Manfredo world class too now? Because Lacy looked terrible against him.
What about Tsypko?
I thought Sam Peter, being a former WBC champion, fighting Wlad Klitschko, Vitali, Toney, Maskaev etc.. made him world class?
Likewise with Lacy being IBF champion.
Obviously i'm wrong.
What is/was their standing in boxing then?
Name some fighters that meet that criteria?Quote:
Originally Posted by leftyleeA fighter who has world class skills and beats top fighters time again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Pernell Whitaker.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterName some fighters that meet that criteria?Quote:
Originally Posted by leftyleeA fighter who has world class skills and beats top fighters time again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
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Originally Posted by leftyleeA fighter who has world class skills and beats top fighters time again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
I agree. when jermain beat taylor wasnt bhop p4p #1 in the sport at the time by ring mag. and people say pavlik has no skill but he beat taylor who is a fighter with good enough skill to beat bhop. and yet they say pavlik is still overrated.
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Originally Posted by FensterName some fighters that meet that criteria?Quote:
Originally Posted by leftyleeA fighter who has world class skills and beats top fighters time again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
ooooooo oooooo can i say one Bernard Hopkins;D
So you would class Whitaker as just "world class?" Thats it?Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBPernell Whitaker.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterName some fighters that meet that criteria?Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee