Calzaghe's legacy.

[Fenster]

Sorry Bilbo,it has nothing to do with country,a disputed decision against Hopkins,a fight against an injured Kessler,and an over rated Lacy does not make you a great.
That would be like judging Ali's career by what he did to Jerry Quarry,Patterson in 72(not the first fight) and Zora Foley

Funny how Kessler was injured now and Lacy was overratted

What about Trinidad, he had his ass handed to him by Winky and Roy Jones, he must have been overatted too?

And B Hop has had a bunch of disputed fights. Funny how three close losses to Taylor and Calzaghe can be turned around into wins but a close win can be twisted into almost being a loss?

Calzaghe has beaten everyone put in front of him, more than can be said of Roy Jones, B Hopkins, Pavlik, Taylor and any other great American middleweight.

His resume is unquestionable and a win over Roy will make him a first ballot Hall of Famer imo

Bilbo comparing a great fighter like Felix Trinidad who had the record, for the most Welterweight title defenses in history is madness. Felix Trinidad defeated great fighters and proved time and time again, he belonged against the best of his era.

Jeff Lacy was struggling with the likes of Omar Sheika, Syd Vanderpool, even before the Joe Calzaghe fight for crying out loud. He only got overhyped because he defeated a shot undertrained Robin Reid, who gave Joe Calzaghe all he could handle back in 1999.

Im not saying i agree with TM i think he is discrediting Joe Calzaghe, just for the sake of discrediting him. But i think what he is saying is that majority of Joe Calzaghe's best wins are all questionable. I'll give you examples of what i mean Bilbo.

Charles Brewer = Just got stopped in 3 rounds by Antwun Echols.

Richie Woodhall = Just lost Markus Beyer, was also dropped 3 times by feather fisted Markus Beyer.

Chris Eubank = Weight drained.

Robin Reid = Just lost to 40+ Thulani Malinga.

etc.

I mean the only really good wins Joe Calzaghe has had with no question marks is Mikkel Kessler, Jeff Lacy, but as i pointed out to you before. previous fights before the Joe Calzaghe fight, proved Jeff Lacy wasn't world class.

And i don't see why that if Joe Calzaghe beats RJJ. That the RJJ win should be hailed as some great win, everyone before this fight considered RJJ. A shot fighter and from his last 2 fights he hasn't really impressed me at all, RJJ does have a chance he still has speed and he is still the bigger man, but come on if this fight was 6 years ago would we be even questioning anything else but a clear cut RJJ win ?

Im not saying its Joe Calzaghe's fault he was in a weak era of the Super Middleweights, but i still think he should of moved up to Light Heavyweight years ago. I remember after the Kabary Salem fight, Joe Calzaghe said he was tight at the weight and struggled to make the Super Middleweight limit.

I don't understand why you rate Kessler as a "good" win? Who did he ever beat?

[ICB]

Funny how Kessler was injured now and Lacy was overratted

What about Trinidad, he had his ass handed to him by Winky and Roy Jones, he must have been overatted too?

And B Hop has had a bunch of disputed fights. Funny how three close losses to Taylor and Calzaghe can be turned around into wins but a close win can be twisted into almost being a loss?

Calzaghe has beaten everyone put in front of him, more than can be said of Roy Jones, B Hopkins, Pavlik, Taylor and any other great American middleweight.

His resume is unquestionable and a win over Roy will make him a first ballot Hall of Famer imo

Bilbo comparing a great fighter like Felix Trinidad who had the record, for the most Welterweight title defenses in history is madness. Felix Trinidad defeated great fighters and proved time and time again, he belonged against the best of his era.

Jeff Lacy was struggling with the likes of Omar Sheika, Syd Vanderpool, even before the Joe Calzaghe fight for crying out loud. He only got overhyped because he defeated a shot undertrained Robin Reid, who gave Joe Calzaghe all he could handle back in 1999.

Im not saying i agree with TM i think he is discrediting Joe Calzaghe, just for the sake of discrediting him. But i think what he is saying is that majority of Joe Calzaghe's best wins are all questionable. I'll give you examples of what i mean Bilbo.

Charles Brewer = Just got stopped in 3 rounds by Antwun Echols.

Richie Woodhall = Just lost Markus Beyer, was also dropped 3 times by feather fisted Markus Beyer.

Chris Eubank = Weight drained.

Robin Reid = Just lost to 40+ Thulani Malinga.

etc.

I mean the only really good wins Joe Calzaghe has had with no question marks is Mikkel Kessler, Jeff Lacy, but as i pointed out to you before. previous fights before the Joe Calzaghe fight, proved Jeff Lacy wasn't world class.

And i don't see why that if Joe Calzaghe beats RJJ. That the RJJ win should be hailed as some great win, everyone before this fight considered RJJ. A shot fighter and from his last 2 fights he hasn't really impressed me at all, RJJ does have a chance he still has speed and he is still the bigger man, but come on if this fight was 6 years ago would we be even questioning anything else but a clear cut RJJ win ?

Im not saying its Joe Calzaghe's fault he was in a weak era of the Super Middleweights, but i still think he should of moved up to Light Heavyweight years ago. I remember after the Kabary Salem fight, Joe Calzaghe said he was tight at the weight and struggled to make the Super Middleweight limit.

I don't understand why you rate Kessler as a "good" win? Who did he ever beat?

Mikkel Kessler i rate as a good win because i think he is one of the best technical fighters out there. He had some solid wins against Librado Andrade, Craig Cummings, Anthony Mundine, he may not have the best wins in the world.

But he is a much better fighter than Jeff Lacy ever was, and it was between the two best Super Middleweights in the world and people were demanding the fight. I rated Mikkel Kessler as a good fighter before and after the Joe Calzaghe fight. And i give Joe Calzaghe alot of props for winning the fight.

[Rantcatrat]

Bilbo comparing a great fighter like Felix Trinidad who had the record, for the most Welterweight title defenses in history is madness. Felix Trinidad defeated great fighters and proved time and time again, he belonged against the best of his era.

Jeff Lacy was struggling with the likes of Omar Sheika, Syd Vanderpool, even before the Joe Calzaghe fight for crying out loud. He only got overhyped because he defeated a shot undertrained Robin Reid, who gave Joe Calzaghe all he could handle back in 1999.

Im not saying i agree with TM i think he is discrediting Joe Calzaghe, just for the sake of discrediting him. But i think what he is saying is that majority of Joe Calzaghe's best wins are all questionable. I'll give you examples of what i mean Bilbo.

Charles Brewer = Just got stopped in 3 rounds by Antwun Echols.

Richie Woodhall = Just lost Markus Beyer, was also dropped 3 times by feather fisted Markus Beyer.

Chris Eubank = Weight drained.

Robin Reid = Just lost to 40+ Thulani Malinga.

etc.

I mean the only really good wins Joe Calzaghe has had with no question marks is Mikkel Kessler, Jeff Lacy, but as i pointed out to you before. previous fights before the Joe Calzaghe fight, proved Jeff Lacy wasn't world class.

And i don't see why that if Joe Calzaghe beats RJJ. That the RJJ win should be hailed as some great win, everyone before this fight considered RJJ. A shot fighter and from his last 2 fights he hasn't really impressed me at all, RJJ does have a chance he still has speed and he is still the bigger man, but come on if this fight was 6 years ago would we be even questioning anything else but a clear cut RJJ win ?

Im not saying its Joe Calzaghe's fault he was in a weak era of the Super Middleweights, but i still think he should of moved up to Light Heavyweight years ago. I remember after the Kabary Salem fight, Joe Calzaghe said he was tight at the weight and struggled to make the Super Middleweight limit.

I don't understand why you rate Kessler as a "good" win? Who did he ever beat?

Mikkel Kessler i rate as a good win because i think he is one of the best technical fighters out there. He had some solid wins against Librado Andrade, Craig Cummings, Anthony Mundine, he may not have the best wins in the world.

But he is a much better fighter than Jeff Lacy ever was, and it was between the two best Super Middleweights in the world and people were demanding the fight. I rated Mikkel Kessler as a good fighter before and after the Joe Calzaghe fight. And i give Joe Calzaghe alot of props for winning the fight.

I agree. I still think Kessler needs to prove himself. He has wins over Andrade and Mundine. I want to see wins over fighters like Bute, Froch, Taylor, and Inkin. He beats two of those four and he'll have gained a lot of respect in my eyes.

[Markusdarkus]

I don't understand why you rate Kessler as a "good" win? Who did he ever beat?

Mikkel Kessler i rate as a good win because i think he is one of the best technical fighters out there. He had some solid wins against Librado Andrade, Craig Cummings, Anthony Mundine, he may not have the best wins in the world.

But he is a much better fighter than Jeff Lacy ever was, and it was between the two best Super Middleweights in the world and people were demanding the fight. I rated Mikkel Kessler as a good fighter before and after the Joe Calzaghe fight. And i give Joe Calzaghe alot of props for winning the fight.

I agree. I still think Kessler needs to prove himself. He has wins over Andrade and Mundine. I want to see wins over fighters like Bute, Froch, Taylor, and Inkin. He beats two of those four and he'll have gained a lot of respect in my eyes.

Andrade, Beyer, Mundine WBC, WBA champion but WHY NOT PROVE HIMSELF!! Just like Oscar and Tito did at 160 before Hopkins got them!! He wasnt the bigger man and they were double world champions!

This crap is 4REAL!

[Fenster]

Bilbo comparing a great fighter like Felix Trinidad who had the record, for the most Welterweight title defenses in history is madness. Felix Trinidad defeated great fighters and proved time and time again, he belonged against the best of his era.

Jeff Lacy was struggling with the likes of Omar Sheika, Syd Vanderpool, even before the Joe Calzaghe fight for crying out loud. He only got overhyped because he defeated a shot undertrained Robin Reid, who gave Joe Calzaghe all he could handle back in 1999.

Im not saying i agree with TM i think he is discrediting Joe Calzaghe, just for the sake of discrediting him. But i think what he is saying is that majority of Joe Calzaghe's best wins are all questionable. I'll give you examples of what i mean Bilbo.

Charles Brewer = Just got stopped in 3 rounds by Antwun Echols.

Richie Woodhall = Just lost Markus Beyer, was also dropped 3 times by feather fisted Markus Beyer.

Chris Eubank = Weight drained.

Robin Reid = Just lost to 40+ Thulani Malinga.

etc.

I mean the only really good wins Joe Calzaghe has had with no question marks is Mikkel Kessler, Jeff Lacy, but as i pointed out to you before. previous fights before the Joe Calzaghe fight, proved Jeff Lacy wasn't world class.

And i don't see why that if Joe Calzaghe beats RJJ. That the RJJ win should be hailed as some great win, everyone before this fight considered RJJ. A shot fighter and from his last 2 fights he hasn't really impressed me at all, RJJ does have a chance he still has speed and he is still the bigger man, but come on if this fight was 6 years ago would we be even questioning anything else but a clear cut RJJ win ?

Im not saying its Joe Calzaghe's fault he was in a weak era of the Super Middleweights, but i still think he should of moved up to Light Heavyweight years ago. I remember after the Kabary Salem fight, Joe Calzaghe said he was tight at the weight and struggled to make the Super Middleweight limit.

I don't understand why you rate Kessler as a "good" win? Who did he ever beat?

Mikkel Kessler i rate as a good win because i think he is one of the best technical fighters out there. He had some solid wins against Librado Andrade, Craig Cummings, Anthony Mundine, he may not have the best wins in the world.

But he is a much better fighter than Jeff Lacy ever was, and it was between the two best Super Middleweights in the world and people were demanding the fight. I rated Mikkel Kessler as a good fighter before and after the Joe Calzaghe fight. And i give Joe Calzaghe alot of props for winning the fight.

That was EXACTLY the situation for Lacy-Calzaghe. Unfortunately you weren't here to inform everyone what a pointless match it was between two such ordinary fighters.

Kessler's solid wins - Librado Andrade, Craig Cummings, Anthony Mundine.

Not very impressive is it? Beating those couldn't have led you to believe Kessler was "world class?" I don't see how they are any better than Lacy beating Sheika, Vanderpool, Reid, Pemberton. You knew Lacy wasn't "world class", right?

So basically you rate Kessler as "world class" because you like his style. He has no "world class" wins going by your criteria. Therefore shouldn't be rated as a "good" win for Calzaghe.. Or any better than his other "questionable" wins.

[Markusdarkus]

I don't understand why you rate Kessler as a "good" win? Who did he ever beat?

Mikkel Kessler i rate as a good win because i think he is one of the best technical fighters out there. He had some solid wins against Librado Andrade, Craig Cummings, Anthony Mundine, he may not have the best wins in the world.

But he is a much better fighter than Jeff Lacy ever was, and it was between the two best Super Middleweights in the world and people were demanding the fight. I rated Mikkel Kessler as a good fighter before and after the Joe Calzaghe fight. And i give Joe Calzaghe alot of props for winning the fight.

That was EXACTLY the situation for Lacy-Calzaghe. Unfortunately you weren't here to inform everyone what a pointless match it was between two such ordinary fighters.

Kessler's solid wins - Librado Andrade, Craig Cummings, Anthony Mundine.

Not very impressive is it? Beating those couldn't have led you to believe Kessler was "world class?" I don't see how they are any better than Lacy beating Sheika, Vanderpool, Reid, Pemberton. You knew Lacy wasn't "world class", right?

So basically you rate Kessler as "world class" because you like his style. He has no "world class" wins going by your criteria. Therefore shouldn't be rated as a "good" win for Calzaghe.. Or any better than his other "questionable" wins.

Cummings? not Beyer 3rd rd KO?

[yvonne]

I like Calzaghe a lot.I've liked him since the early years.He has one of the best boxing brain and chin in the business i reckon!I wish him well.You deserve it Joe!!

[Fenster]

Mikkel Kessler i rate as a good win because i think he is one of the best technical fighters out there. He had some solid wins against Librado Andrade, Craig Cummings, Anthony Mundine, he may not have the best wins in the world.

But he is a much better fighter than Jeff Lacy ever was, and it was between the two best Super Middleweights in the world and people were demanding the fight. I rated Mikkel Kessler as a good fighter before and after the Joe Calzaghe fight. And i give Joe Calzaghe alot of props for winning the fight.

That was EXACTLY the situation for Lacy-Calzaghe. Unfortunately you weren't here to inform everyone what a pointless match it was between two such ordinary fighters.

Kessler's solid wins - Librado Andrade, Craig Cummings, Anthony Mundine.

Not very impressive is it? Beating those couldn't have led you to believe Kessler was "world class?" I don't see how they are any better than Lacy beating Sheika, Vanderpool, Reid, Pemberton. You knew Lacy wasn't "world class", right?

So basically you rate Kessler as "world class" because you like his style. He has no "world class" wins going by your criteria. Therefore shouldn't be rated as a "good" win for Calzaghe.. Or any better than his other "questionable" wins.

Cummings? not Beyer 3rd rd KO?

It doesn't matter - Kessler beat them. Calzaghe is BETTER than Kessler. But Calzaghe is ordinary. Every win he's had is QUESTIONABLE.

So.. Beyer and Cummings are both beyond PATHETIC considering Calzaghe is so ordinary and he beat Kessler.

[leftylee]

I don't understand why you rate Kessler as a "good" win? Who did he ever beat?

Mikkel Kessler i rate as a good win because i think he is one of the best technical fighters out there. He had some solid wins against Librado Andrade, Craig Cummings, Anthony Mundine, he may not have the best wins in the world.

But he is a much better fighter than Jeff Lacy ever was, and it was between the two best Super Middleweights in the world and people were demanding the fight. I rated Mikkel Kessler as a good fighter before and after the Joe Calzaghe fight. And i give Joe Calzaghe alot of props for winning the fight.

That was EXACTLY the situation for Lacy-Calzaghe. Unfortunately you weren't here to inform everyone what a pointless match it was between two such ordinary fighters.

Kessler's solid wins - Librado Andrade, Craig Cummings, Anthony Mundine.

Not very impressive is it? Beating those couldn't have led you to believe Kessler was "world class?" I don't see how they are any better than Lacy beating Sheika, Vanderpool, Reid, Pemberton. You knew Lacy wasn't "world class", right?

So basically you rate Kessler as "world class" because you like his style. He has no "world class" wins going by your criteria. Therefore shouldn't be rated as a "good" win for Calzaghe.. Or any better than his other "questionable" wins.

Them fighters were shot and past their best. Lacy never was nor never will be world class. Just an overrated contender.

[Fenster]

Mikkel Kessler i rate as a good win because i think he is one of the best technical fighters out there. He had some solid wins against Librado Andrade, Craig Cummings, Anthony Mundine, he may not have the best wins in the world.

But he is a much better fighter than Jeff Lacy ever was, and it was between the two best Super Middleweights in the world and people were demanding the fight. I rated Mikkel Kessler as a good fighter before and after the Joe Calzaghe fight. And i give Joe Calzaghe alot of props for winning the fight.

That was EXACTLY the situation for Lacy-Calzaghe. Unfortunately you weren't here to inform everyone what a pointless match it was between two such ordinary fighters.

Kessler's solid wins - Librado Andrade, Craig Cummings, Anthony Mundine.

Not very impressive is it? Beating those couldn't have led you to believe Kessler was "world class?" I don't see how they are any better than Lacy beating Sheika, Vanderpool, Reid, Pemberton. You knew Lacy wasn't "world class", right?

So basically you rate Kessler as "world class" because you like his style. He has no "world class" wins going by your criteria. Therefore shouldn't be rated as a "good" win for Calzaghe.. Or any better than his other "questionable" wins.

Them fighters were shot and past their best. Lacy never was nor never will be world class. Just an overrated contender.

They had a best? Those guys must have been beyond pathetic if Lacy beat them - considering Calzaghe beat Lacy.

And yes I agree.. the former IBF world supermiddleweight champion, Jeff Lacy, was never world class. Non-fiction.

[leftylee]

That was EXACTLY the situation for Lacy-Calzaghe. Unfortunately you weren't here to inform everyone what a pointless match it was between two such ordinary fighters.

Kessler's solid wins - Librado Andrade, Craig Cummings, Anthony Mundine.

Not very impressive is it? Beating those couldn't have led you to believe Kessler was "world class?" I don't see how they are any better than Lacy beating Sheika, Vanderpool, Reid, Pemberton. You knew Lacy wasn't "world class", right?

So basically you rate Kessler as "world class" because you like his style. He has no "world class" wins going by your criteria. Therefore shouldn't be rated as a "good" win for Calzaghe.. Or any better than his other "questionable" wins.

Them fighters were shot and past their best. Lacy never was nor never will be world class. Just an overrated contender.

They had a best? Those guys must have been beyond pathetic if Lacy beat them - considering Calzaghe beat Lacy.

And yes I agree.. the former IBF world supermiddleweight champion, Jeff Lacy, was never world class. Non-fiction.

Homie if your going by that rule your calling former WBA world champion Gavin Rees world class ? Or former WBC world champion Sergio Mora world class ? Or former WBO world champion Alex Arthur world class ?Those three are garbage. The list is endless really if you talk like that.

[intoccabile]

That was EXACTLY the situation for Lacy-Calzaghe. Unfortunately you weren't here to inform everyone what a pointless match it was between two such ordinary fighters.

Kessler's solid wins - Librado Andrade, Craig Cummings, Anthony Mundine.

Not very impressive is it? Beating those couldn't have led you to believe Kessler was "world class?" I don't see how they are any better than Lacy beating Sheika, Vanderpool, Reid, Pemberton. You knew Lacy wasn't "world class", right?

So basically you rate Kessler as "world class" because you like his style. He has no "world class" wins going by your criteria. Therefore shouldn't be rated as a "good" win for Calzaghe.. Or any better than his other "questionable" wins.

Them fighters were shot and past their best. Lacy never was nor never will be world class. Just an overrated contender.

They had a best? Those guys must have been beyond pathetic if Lacy beat them - considering Calzaghe beat Lacy.

And yes I agree.. the former IBF world supermiddleweight champion, Jeff Lacy, was never world class. Non-fiction.

So i guess Sam peter, the former WBC world champion "IS" world class?
People dont have to be good to win championships. Lacy was never world class

[leftylee]

Them fighters were shot and past their best. Lacy never was nor never will be world class. Just an overrated contender.

They had a best? Those guys must have been beyond pathetic if Lacy beat them - considering Calzaghe beat Lacy.

And yes I agree.. the former IBF world supermiddleweight champion, Jeff Lacy, was never world class. Non-fiction.

So i guess Sam peter, the former WBC world champion "IS" world class?
People dont have to be good to win championships. Lacy was never world class

Exactly. Rep will be given.

[Fenster]

So winning a world title doesn't make you world class? Interesting.

What exactly does make someone world class then?

[ICB]

I don't understand why you rate Kessler as a "good" win? Who did he ever beat?

Mikkel Kessler i rate as a good win because i think he is one of the best technical fighters out there. He had some solid wins against Librado Andrade, Craig Cummings, Anthony Mundine, he may not have the best wins in the world.

But he is a much better fighter than Jeff Lacy ever was, and it was between the two best Super Middleweights in the world and people were demanding the fight. I rated Mikkel Kessler as a good fighter before and after the Joe Calzaghe fight. And i give Joe Calzaghe alot of props for winning the fight.

That was EXACTLY the situation for Lacy-Calzaghe. Unfortunately you weren't here to inform everyone what a pointless match it was between two such ordinary fighters.

Kessler's solid wins - Librado Andrade, Craig Cummings, Anthony Mundine.

Not very impressive is it? Beating those couldn't have led you to believe Kessler was "world class?" I don't see how they are any better than Lacy beating Sheika, Vanderpool, Reid, Pemberton. You knew Lacy wasn't "world class", right?

So basically you rate Kessler as "world class" because you like his style. He has no "world class" wins going by your criteria. Therefore shouldn't be rated as a "good" win for Calzaghe.. Or any better than his other "questionable" wins.

Well if your putting it that way then Mikkel Kessler was overrated then ? which in turn doesn't make Joe Calzaghe's win over Mikkel Kessler that impressive then