Re: Poll: Does Pacquiao Deserve a 60% Share Against Hatton?
ask a vegas casino/restaurant owner which fighter is not only the biggest draw out of the 2 but in the world and they`ll tell you its ricky.
Anyone but anyone who`s flown over to the states to watch hatton whether it be against castillo, floyd or paulie(which i went to) will tell you just how much money you get through and how the nevada economy gets a welcome pump of british money every time ricky and his army of fans swarm on the area.
Add that to the hundreds of thousands of PPV sales back home at 15 quid a pop (30 US dollars), hatton merchandise etc and i think you`ll find ricky is more than deserving of 50%.
Re: Poll: Does Pacquiao Deserve a 60% Share Against Hatton?
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SaddoBoxer
I'm in favor for PAC having the lion's share of the purse split, maybe not less than 55% due to these reasons:
- PAC the no. 1 P4P boxer
- PAC the "hottest" boxer right now
- PAC the early betting favorite against Hatton
- Hatton got only 30% share in the PBF fight (from what I've read)
- PAC got only 35% share in the Hoya fight
- PAC the no. 1 boxer at 140 (according to BoxRec ;D )
- PAC has huge fanbase (maybe a very close second to Hatton's)
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man, you've got to stop this. as a pac fan, this gets annoying!
Re: Poll: Does Pacquiao Deserve a 60% Share Against Hatton?
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Boom Boom
Absolutely not. Should be 50/50. Anything else is just disrespectful to the other guy, greedy and arogant on the part of the guy making more imo.
First off it's not the fighters that do the negotiating, it is their represenatives. The fights either accept the deal or don't.
As for if he deserves a 60/40 split, every boxer wants to earn as much as he can. In the history of boxing you will not find another boxer with as many supporters as Pacquiao. Hatton, even with his enormous popularity, could not even come close to Pacquiao. When Pacquiao fights the entire Philippines stops to watch and that doesn't include the people around the world. There is no way to gauge how much support Pacquiao has right now but certainly there is alot more PPV in the US than there is for Hatton.
As for greed? you are an absolute idoit to say that about Pacquiao.
You might say that about Pacquiao's Lawyer is greedy because it's the defination of a Lawyer.
So lets look at it if Hatton were to fight who else? What kind of payday would we be looking at? PBF; Forget it! that fight was already made. Sure a lot of people would watch it but it's not the block buster Pacquiao/ Hatton is. If this not made then the bigger fight is MP/PBF. IMO - If Hatton's reps were smart, he'd go back to the table and drop a percent or two. Hatton can make money fighting a home but no where near what he can make Hatton/Pacquiao 60/40 or 55/45.
Re: Poll: Does Pacquiao Deserve a 60% Share Against Hatton?
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fan johnny
With out a doubt he deserves a bigger portion, but his promoter f....up! And his Lawyer is an idiot!
Such as it is... he gets what he gets.
I take it all back! His promoter is a smart ass businessman.... Just read Pacquiao get 50/50 including Englands PPV.
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fan johnny
With out a doubt he deserves a bigger portion, but his promoter f....up! And his Lawyer is an idiot!
Such as it is... he gets what he gets.
I take it all back! His promoter is a smart ass businessman.... Just read Pacquiao get 50/50 including Englands PPV.
Exactly, I'm guessing these millions of Filipinos back home aren't bringing any PPV money to the table. They watch it for free no?
As it happens though I just can't decided whether Pac deserves the 60%. From a personal point of view I couldn't care less what the split is, I just want the fight made.
The thing is Arum said 50-50 is fair and so did Roach. That's both his trainer and promoter who agree Pac doesn't deserve the bigger split. Somebody somewhere is whispering into Pac's ear or trying to squeeze more money for themselves, I just hope they agree soon and get this fight made
Re: Poll: Does Pacquiao Deserve a 60% Share Against Hatton?
<<Exactly, I'm guessing these millions of Filipinos back home aren't bringing any PPV money to the table. They watch it for free no?>><Conrad>
Yes, and No.
Yes, there is a free telecast on national TV. That telecast is dragged on for almost a whole day affair. It is riddled of commercials/advertisements with impunity. Pretty much, the main fight is over and done with before it hits the small screen. This serves the bulk of his fans.
There too, is a pay for live transmission fed on movie theatres, for about $10. And then lastly, the regular PPV, carried by Solar sports (?) is about $20. Of course there are bars, and restaurants that would likewise get on with the thing for a small cover price.
Re: Poll: Does Pacquiao Deserve a 60% Share Against Hatton?
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josef4334
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SaddoBoxer
I'm in favor for PAC having the lion's share of the purse split, maybe not less than 55% due to these reasons:
- PAC the no. 1 P4P boxer
- PAC the "hottest" boxer right now
- PAC the early betting favorite against Hatton
- Hatton got only 30% share in the PBF fight (from what I've read)
- PAC got only 35% share in the Hoya fight
- PAC the no. 1 boxer at 140 (according to BoxRec ;D )
- PAC has huge fanbase (maybe a very close second to Hatton's)
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man, you've got to stop this. as a pac fan, this gets annoying!
I'm just presenting the FACTS pare that might be considered in the negotiating table... ;)
But I think all is well now with both boxers receiving 50% on everything including the UK PPV revenues... ;)
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Re: Poll: Does Pacquiao Deserve a 60% Share Against Hatton?
At the end of the day, credible arguments can be made on both sides about who deserves the greater share of the purse. 60-40 with the winner taking the bigger share of the purse seems like the best decision to me. I think all fights should come with with a bonus for the winner of the fight.
140 isn't the division that it used to be. Hatton will struggle to find a fight with a third as much limelight as this fight will get. The only one I could think of is Hatton against Witter and 1)Hatton isn't going to fight Witter and 2) that fight would only be as big of a draw as a Hatton vs. Pac fight in the UK. In the States average fight fan probably doesn't even know who Witter is. And throw in the other names at 140 like Bradley, Holt, Ngoudjo and you won't find very much anticipation among your average boxing fan for a fight against Hatton. Pac has alot more options. Now if Hatton decided to move up to 147 than were talking a whole new ballgame.
Re: Poll: Does Pacquiao Deserve a 60% Share Against Hatton?
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SaddoBoxer
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josef4334
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SaddoBoxer
I'm in favor for PAC having the lion's share of the purse split, maybe not less than 55% due to these reasons:
- PAC the no. 1 P4P boxer
- PAC the "hottest" boxer right now
- PAC the early betting favorite against Hatton
- Hatton got only 30% share in the PBF fight (from what I've read)
- PAC got only 35% share in the Hoya fight
- PAC the no. 1 boxer at 140 (according to BoxRec ;D )
- PAC has huge fanbase (maybe a very close second to Hatton's)
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man, you've got to stop this. as a pac fan, this gets annoying!
I'm just presenting the FACTS pare that might be considered in the negotiating table... ;)
But I think all is well now with both boxers receiving 50% on everything including the UK PPV revenues... ;)
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we all know that. but come on. there are still a lot of people here who doesnt think of pac as a ppv draw. thats how people are. we all know pac is the bigger draw here base on what he has accomplished this past year. 3 fights in one year. 2 for the belt, one for recognition. everybody doubted him yet he accomplished what we had to do. if anything, arum is the one who gets the blame for this mess. regardless of what happens, promoters get paid. the dont have to get punched in the head to earn their living. what do they care????
Re: Poll: Does Pacquiao Deserve a 60% Share Against Hatton?
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josef4334
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SaddoBoxer
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josef4334
man, you've got to stop this. as a pac fan, this gets annoying!
I'm just presenting the FACTS pare that might be considered in the negotiating table... ;)
But I think all is well now with both boxers receiving 50% on everything including the UK PPV revenues... ;)
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we all know that. but come on. there are still a lot of people here who doesnt think of pac as a ppv draw. thats how people are. we all know pac is the bigger draw here base on what he has accomplished this past year. 3 fights in one year. 2 for the belt, one for recognition. everybody doubted him yet he accomplished what we had to do. if anything, arum is the one who gets the blame for this mess. regardless of what happens, promoters get paid. the dont have to get punched in the head to earn their living. what do they care????
Promoters are pimps... Boxers are whores... Fans, the customers?? ;D
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Re: Poll: Does Pacquiao Deserve a event Share Against Hatton?
I think 60-40 Pac is about right to be honest Pac is now the guy everyone is talking about, the guy who just made Dela Hoya the darling of HBO look like an old man, hes the hot ticket, Hatton on the other hand just brings the British PPV, i mean he does make the fight much more appealing and potentially is the biggest PPV event in volving Pac other than Mayweather, so Hatton does bring something, but Hatton v Lazcano wasnt even deemed a big enough fight to be aired free on HBO, I think Hatton has done very very well getting 50/50, but they are going to make huge amounts and it makes sense for Pac to take 50/50 rather than ask for 60-40 and the fight falling through which like i said i think he dererves as he will make loads more than he would with any other figth bar Mayweather.
Re: Poll: Does Pacquiao Deserve a 60% Share Against Hatton?
I have no opinion on this, because all I want is for this fight to happen. Like water seeking its level, I believe, the fight purse would do so naturally. As pointed out both camps have valid claims as to their trenched positions. No one will give an inch, as it is still quite a long ways till fight time. Hype can likewise be playing a factor here, ensuring a lingering reminder that a mega fight is on the calendar for May 2nd. It keeps us all buzzing about, haven't we?
The Pacquiao camp countered a February deadline for the 60/40 split favoring their group, to the deadline set Friday (?) by Hatton’s for the 50/50.
The PacMan is dead set to go in a different direction if and when their proposed split, or an agreeable one at that, is not met. Who needs who? Who want it more? I remember everybody and anybody wanting to fight Pacquiao. Manny’s name have been called so many times, confusion had set. It seems likely that they’ve somehow mistook it for PBF’s, and miss-spelled it as Money Pacquiao! LOL! ;) :) ;D
Re: Poll: Does Pacquiao Deserve a 60% Share Against Hatton?
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Boom Boom
Absolutely not. Should be 50/50. Anything else is just disrespectful to the other guy, greedy and arogant on the part of the guy making more imo.
Like Ricky's 95:5 he got V Castillo?
I didnt know that, but I can see Ricky Making slightly more only because Castillo was not a big draw by then and hadnt looked great in his previous bout. Hatton also had a much larger fanbase. Pac-Hatton thats not the case. Both bring an equal amount to the table. Plus, I assume its for Rickys titles. The champion should never make less than the chalenger, and the last time I checked Mannys last title was at lightweight.
Re: Poll: Does Pacquiao Deserve a 60% Share Against Hatton?
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hitmandonny
I can't see any reason to justify Pac claiming 60%
He's not the one with the title.
I don't believe he's the bigger draw.
He's actually more accustomed to fighting in the U.S. than Hatton.
If Pac wants 60% he should put on a championship stake, the winner walks away with 60% the loser 40%
Pac title is the #1 P4P. Who cares about IBO belt?
Re: Poll: Does Pacquiao Deserve a 60% Share Against Hatton?
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josef4334
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SaddoBoxer
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josef4334
man, you've got to stop this. as a pac fan, this gets annoying!
I'm just presenting the FACTS pare that might be considered in the negotiating table... ;)
But I think all is well now with both boxers receiving 50% on everything including the UK PPV revenues... ;)
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we all know that. but come on. there are still a lot of people here who doesnt think of pac as a ppv draw. thats how people are. we all know pac is the bigger draw here base on what he has accomplished this past year. 3 fights in one year. 2 for the belt, one for recognition. everybody doubted him yet he accomplished what we had to do. if anything, arum is the one who gets the blame for this mess. regardless of what happens, promoters get paid. the dont have to get punched in the head to earn their living. what do they care????
Without DLH fight, Pac PPV tops 400K with the JMM fight. Now that he beat DLH in spectacular Fashion, his numbers will grow up exponentially.
What was Hatton's PPV #s? 850K over PBF? But this happens after PBF beat DLH. So you Credit PBF's beating DLH for that. Why do you think Hatton's fight after that is not PPV? Coz it won't sell.
