Challenge to all.........

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Originally Posted by ross

READ MY REP COMMENTS DICK FACE

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How many you got them from 3 people maxium ? your a joke mostly everyone on this forum thinks your a joke. And i couldn't careless what anyone says, your knowledge is based on two fighters Mike Tyson, Joe Calzaghe. And all you do is seriously dick-ride those 2 fighters, constantly winding people up on purpose. Oh yea and one last time go fuck yourself.

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Haha I can't believe these guys have said JC is better than some of the guys on the list ICB put up (and unlike ICB, I am actually a fan & would rate him highly in an all-time ranking, probably in my top 50 of all time) but seriously how can anyone who is a Calzaghe fan can accuse another top fighter of picking opponents is beyond me.

Ok let's look at actual competetive opponents:

Calzaghe

Eubank (old & had been through wars)
Robin Reid (won a fight many thought Reid won, I thought Joe took it)
Lacy (overhyped product, but a truly masterful destruction)
Kessler (the fight that for me secures Joe's greatness)
Hopkins (close fight that many thought B-Hop won, I had it 114-113 in his favour)
Roy Jones Jr (clearly not the fighter he was, the old RJJ would never have been knocked out by Tarver & Johnson & this version was even more shot)

Mayweather

Genaro Hernandez (A really good fighter equivalent at least to Reid & Lacy & probably better, PBF was the first to beat him at super-featherweight)
Diego Corrales (IMO a HoF who was unbeaten going into his fight with Mayweather)
Jesus Chavez (would go on to be a 2 weight world champ after being KO'd by PBF)
Jose Luis Castillo (2x, had a close 1st fight that some felt PBF lost, so Mayweather gave him a rematch in which he dominated him)
DeMarcus Corley (a consistent fighter comparable with Reid in status)
Arturo Gatti (an over-hyped fighter certainly not A-level, but certainly no worse than Lacy)
Zab Judah (a naturally fantastic fighter although horribly inconsistent, he was close to being stopped until he threw a low blow to cause a ring brawl that delayed the fight)
Carlos Baldomir (not a great fighter but a tough durable guy who for my money is no worse than Reid, just came up tougher)
Oscar De La Hoya (whatever people think of him he is a 1st ballot HoFer & PBF fought him & won at 154, probably between 15-20 pounds above his 'natural' weight, & in most neutral eyes won convincingly)
Ricky Hatton (the best in the world at 140 is certainly no bigger than PBF but was knocked out & outclassed in their fight)

If you actually don't think that list is better than you are, for want of a better word, an idiot & IF you seriously think Calzaghe is better than Robinson, Ali, Willie Pep, Sanchez, Arguello or Leonard than you know SWEET FUCK ALL about boxing, you're simply an ITV armchair fan on Calzaghe's balls. No doubt in my mind he is a great boxer & a legend, but he is not the greatest or even within touching distance :cool:

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PBF defo got beat in 1st Jose Luis Castillo fight
everyone knows that ricky hatton is not very good at the higher weight
not seen oscar fight for a long time but was very close that one

if i recall i had reid up by 1 point, but defo had joe beating hopkins

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Originally Posted by ICB

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Originally Posted by Bx730NY

I keep hearing all this negative stuff about Calzhage and I'm just stunned. The guy is the most complete package of our era.

Tell me where you guys guys have found a better package of Speed, Heart, Ring Smarts, Adjustments, Chin, Conditioning, Skill, Dedication and his fights are clean. No need to cheat when you're this good i guess. (Hopkins)

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The easiest question ever on this forum.

Muhamamd Ali
Salvador Sanchez
Ricardo Lopez
Sugar Ray Leonard
Sugar Ray Robinson
Mike McCallum
Larry Holmes
Floyd Mayweather Jr
Pernell Whitaker
Ezzard Charles
Marvin Hagler
Roy Jones Jr
Alexis Arguello
Gene Tunney
Azumah Nelson
Miguel Canto

Should i go on ?

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Please do ,lets start again but with current fighters who at the same weight would give him a run .

Mosley
Pac man.
Juan Marquez

Mundine humour break...

Spen Okkte

Ahh now Spen Okkte reminds me of why people dont rate Calzages efforts as all time great.
He is another unbeaten champion, around the same weight class too.
Simular hand picked timing as to when and especially where a match up will occur.

Fans hate that systematic risk /reward mentaliy more than simply If the fighter was in the mix, fighting right in the deep end of the pool and then blatently avoiding fighting someone in paticular.Fans forgive the latter more than the whole career built on it.

How many superstar fighters in their prime have JC beat?

Kessler

Lacy

Compare that with Floyds 1/2 dozen or so... Mayweather is 30 and a 5 weight Champion and was PFP#1 for a few years.

Joe was never PFP#1 ruled a weak class for 10 years and then moved to 175 and beat a 43 year old and a 40 year old?????

Calzaghe is a great fighter and deserves his due, but no way in hell should he be rated higher than Floyd Mayweather Jr

No offense BX but you are a poster who historically makes it a habit of writing your opinion and trying to pass it off as fact.. You get these random-outlandish ideas and post them like its the end all be all... You say Calzaghe is perfect, so now the whole forum must concede to your opinion of that, or we are considered incompetent :rolleyes:

Well i while say this there best wins consist of Hof that were past there prime and that is somthing that does bring them together in a career thing But lets not forget that Oscar was not even a pound for pound fighter any more and was only fighting like once a year still gave Mayweather a good fight as for Bernard he is older but still in the pound for pound list and just had like a career high win so no point in calling him old still a great fighter overall Mayweather career is better then Calzaghes but the big wins are that far off if you ask me they are pretty close but overall career you can look at and you can clearly see who had the better one guys.

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Not until hes unbeaten as a champ for 12 years and still beating the top boys when hes 36 and unfortunately for Floyd thats not going to happen now, Joe has no comparisons;D

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Uhh please Floyd Mayweather Jr makes Joe Calzaghe's resume look like a joke, he's also won 5 titles in 5 weightclasses which only a handful of fighters have done. He's also been P4P number 1 for a few years, Floyd Mayweather Jr could fight until he's 40 and still be effective.

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I agree with u there. Actually floyd could fight til hes like 50 the way he picks his opponents.

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"won 5 titles in 5 weightclasses"

(So what! It doesn't mean that Floyd had more accomplishments than Joe or that he faced better fighters than Joe)

I don't beleive Mayweather Jr could fight past 35 and be any kind of challenge. Even Floyd knows he's done and even admits his body can't take it anymore. First, he doesn't have the will, Second he doesn't have right body frame. (to skinny) He's already slowed down to the point he gets hit even though his is considered in his prime. Lastly, he's retired and is not going to fight anymore. Show me the date of his next fight, else talk about the man in the past tense not the present. Floyd' was a great fighter at super featherweight. A good fighter at Jr Welterweight/Welterweight. His last few fights were based on the most earnings with the least amount of risk. And that would be true for most any fighter in the position he was in.

"He's also been P4P number 1 for a few years"
Take a look at the p4p rankings and tell me where Floyd is ranked.

You can compare both fighters records/resumes and come up with facts that show they were great fighters. You can also look at both fighters careers and come up with facts that depict them as 'cherry pickers' but it is all subjective and pointless. The truth is there is no way to compare the greatness of fighters unless they have fought the same fighters. With these two it is not possible. So all anybody can really do is argue about who they think is greater.

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Originally Posted by ICB

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Originally Posted by Bx730NY

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The easiest question ever on this forum.

Muhamamd Ali
Salvador Sanchez
Ricardo Lopez
Sugar Ray Leonard
Sugar Ray Robinson
Mike McCallum
Larry Holmes
Floyd Mayweather Jr
Pernell Whitaker
Ezzard Charles
Marvin Hagler
Roy Jones Jr
Alexis Arguello
Gene Tunney
Azumah Nelson
Miguel Canto

Should i go on ?

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No1 on that list, from what I've seen is or was as complete as Joe. Bet that. Stop buying the hype.

Damn some of those names are comparable but some have me scratching my head.

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Are you kidding me ? jesus you are a Joe Calzaghe fan boy.

Ricardo Lopez is the finest technical boxer of all time.

Alexis Arguello threw every punch so perfect.

Miguel Canto the mexican version of Willie Pep.

Floyd Mayweather Jr possibly the best all round fighter ever.

ETC.

Seriously your making me scratch my head if you don't think most of those boxers. Are as good as an all round fighter as Joe Calzaghe, your boxing knowledge is limited if you seriously think that. Or your seriously riding Joe Calzaghe nuts, theres no other way to explain such an absurd comment.

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See, this is what it comes to every time. When you run out of things to say and resort to name calling like a slut. We're talking boxing. You defend floyd to the end and I respect that. I have the opinion that Joe is better so respect that.

I'm no lil punk kid so stop the crap. We go too far back for this. Joe has the type of courage that floyd could only dream of. Even when he went down against hopkins and Jones, he was the agressor. That's what separates them IMO. floyd doesn't want to be tested.

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Originally Posted by ross

Wanker

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Tosser your out your league with me don't even try it, i've made you look like a fool in the past. Im sick of you and your wind up posts, and BX no offense but you've acted like a right muppet in this thread aswell, Joe Calzaghe more skilled than fighters like Ricardo Lopez ? jesus christ lay off the drugs.

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Originally Posted by fan johnny

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Originally Posted by Bx730NY

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Uhh please Floyd Mayweather Jr makes Joe Calzaghe's resume look like a joke, he's also won 5 titles in 5 weightclasses which only a handful of fighters have done. He's also been P4P number 1 for a few years, Floyd Mayweather Jr could fight until he's 40 and still be effective.

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I agree with u there. Actually floyd could fight til hes like 50 the way he picks his opponents.

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"won 5 titles in 5 weightclasses"

(So what! It doesn't mean that Floyd had more accomplishments than Joe or that he faced better fighters than Joe)

I don't beleive Mayweather Jr could fight past 35 and be any kind of challenge. Even Floyd knows he's done and even admits his body can't take it anymore. First, he doesn't have the will, Second he doesn't have right body frame. (to skinny) He's already slowed down to the point he gets hit even though his is considered in his prime. Lastly, he's retired and is not going to fight anymore. Show me the date of his next fight, else talk about the man in the past tense not the present. Floyd' was a great fighter at super featherweight. A good fighter at Jr Welterweight/Welterweight. His last few fights were based on the most earnings with the least amount of risk. And that would be true for most any fighter in the position he was in.

"He's also been P4P number 1 for a few years"
Take a look at the p4p rankings and tell me where Floyd is ranked.

You can compare both fighters records/resumes and come up with facts that show they were great fighters. You can also look at both fighters careers and come up with facts that depict them as 'cherry pickers' but it is all subjective and pointless. The truth is there is no way to compare the greatness of fighters unless they have fought the same fighters. With these two it is not possible. So all anybody can really do is argue about who they think is greater.

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To me the 5 weight thing is very relevant... Lets see Joe go up to heavyweight and fight at the highest level....

Well the only thing that bothers me about Floyde is that he retired when all the competion was there for him i mean Joe never had the chances Floyde has had talent wise in the divsion but Floyde called it a day and he is in prime in a heavy talented divsion and as for Joe no longer prime and he has alot less talent to prove anything now so i guess you can look at that as well when you are rating them and there choices they make also ice moving up in weight in lower divsion is not the same when you do it in higher divsion i mean floyde move up 24 pounds joe would be moving up like 32 just to make the limit then be fighting guys over 60 pounds over the weight he started.

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No1 on that list, from what I've seen is or was as complete as Joe. Bet that. Stop buying the hype.

Damn some of those names are comparable but some have me scratching my head.

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Are you kidding me ? jesus you are a Joe Calzaghe fan boy.

Ricardo Lopez is the finest technical boxer of all time.

Alexis Arguello threw every punch so perfect.

Miguel Canto the mexican version of Willie Pep.

Floyd Mayweather Jr possibly the best all round fighter ever.

ETC.

Seriously your making me scratch my head if you don't think most of those boxers. Are as good as an all round fighter as Joe Calzaghe, your boxing knowledge is limited if you seriously think that. Or your seriously riding Joe Calzaghe nuts, theres no other way to explain such an absurd comment.

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See, this is what it comes to every time. When you run out of things to say and resort to name calling like a slut. We're talking boxing. You defend floyd to the end and I respect that. I have the opinion that Joe is better so respect that.

I'm no lil punk kid so stop the crap. We go too far back for this. Joe has the type of courage that floyd could only dream of. Even when he went down against hopkins and Jones, he was the agressor. That's what separates them IMO. floyd doesn't want to be tested.

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Name calling ? yea im name calling because your talking out your ass. I resort to name calling when i have nothing to say ? you pretty much lost the debate when you said Joe Calzaghe is more skilled than Ricardo Lopez, honestly im sick of some of these Joe Calzaghe fans i really am.

I think Joe Calzaghe is a very good fighter and i respect him, but some Joe Calzaghe fans just piss me off. Joe Calzaghe fought a shot Roy Jones Jr lets just get that straight, his last good performance at Light Heavyweight was in 2002.

I give him credit for the Bernard Hopkins win because Bernard Hopkins, clearly has alot left at age 43. But if your going to tell me moving up to Jr Middleweight to fight ODLH isn't taking a risk, then im speechless i really am.

Floyd Mayweather pisses all over Joe Calzaghe, his defense is leagues ahead of Joe Calzaghe. He's faster P4P he has more power P4P, he is a better all round fighter and his stamina is up there with Joe Calzaghe. And P4P he's beaten better fighters than Joe Calzaghe.

I've got no problem with Joe Calzaghe or his fans, but some fans go over the top and its pissing me off lately. Maybe i am going over the top but im just sick of seeing it personally.

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Originally Posted by paddy448

i cant find anything negative to say,the guy is an all time great, will be sorely missed

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i cant find anything positive to say , the guy isnt an all time great , wont be sorely missed.;D

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Agreed :cool:

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Originally Posted by ICB

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Originally Posted by Bx730NY

No1 on that list, from what I've seen is or was as complete as Joe. Bet that. Stop buying the hype.

Damn some of those names are comparable but some have me scratching my head.

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Are you kidding me ? jesus you are a Joe Calzaghe fan boy.

Ricardo Lopez is the finest technical boxer of all time.

Alexis Arguello threw every punch so perfect.

Miguel Canto the mexican version of Willie Pep.

Floyd Mayweather Jr possibly the best all round fighter ever.

ETC.

Seriously your making me scratch my head if you don't think most of those boxers. Are as good as an all round fighter as Joe Calzaghe, your boxing knowledge is limited if you seriously think that. Or your seriously riding Joe Calzaghe nuts, theres no other way to explain such an absurd comment.

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See, this is what it comes to every time. When you run out of things to say and resort to name calling like a slut. We're talking boxing. You defend floyd to the end and I respect that. I have the opinion that Joe is better so respect that.

I'm no lil punk kid so stop the crap. We go too far back for this. Joe has the type of courage that floyd could only dream of. Even when he went down against hopkins and Jones, he was the agressor. That's what separates them IMO. floyd doesn't want to be tested.

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That was against 2 fighters with obvious deterioration and well past their best, who had slowed down their punch output considerably...

Why dosent Floyd fight and beat a 43 year old Cotto and a 40 year old Pac
and everyone will kiss his azz too:rolleyes:

Jt you keep saying Hopkins but he was in way better at this stage then Oscar was you keep bringing up the age thing but Oscar was younger but not in pound for pound list Hopkins was and not only that just came off a career best preformance so i dont get why you keep bringing him up.

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Uhh please Floyd Mayweather Jr makes Joe Calzaghe's resume look like a joke, he's also won 5 titles in 5 weightclasses which only a handful of fighters have done. He's also been P4P number 1 for a few years, Floyd Mayweather Jr could fight until he's 40 and still be effective.

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I agree with u there. Actually floyd could fight til hes like 50 the way he picks his opponents.

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"won 5 titles in 5 weightclasses"

(So what! It doesn't mean that Floyd had more accomplishments than Joe or that he faced better fighters than Joe)

I don't beleive Mayweather Jr could fight past 35 and be any kind of challenge. Even Floyd knows he's done and even admits his body can't take it anymore. First, he doesn't have the will, Second he doesn't have right body frame. (to skinny) He's already slowed down to the point he gets hit even though his is considered in his prime. Lastly, he's retired and is not going to fight anymore. Show me the date of his next fight, else talk about the man in the past tense not the present. Floyd' was a great fighter at super featherweight. A good fighter at Jr Welterweight/Welterweight. His last few fights were based on the most earnings with the least amount of risk. And that would be true for most any fighter in the position he was in.

"He's also been P4P number 1 for a few years"
Take a look at the p4p rankings and tell me where Floyd is ranked.

You can compare both fighters records/resumes and come up with facts that show they were great fighters. You can also look at both fighters careers and come up with facts that depict them as 'cherry pickers' but it is all subjective and pointless. The truth is there is no way to compare the greatness of fighters unless they have fought the same fighters. With these two it is not possible. So all anybody can really do is argue about who they think is greater.

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Yea so what that Floyd Mayweather has only won 5 world titles in 5 weightclasses. :rolleyes:

When only a handful of fighters of done it but yea so what, i mean thats hardly an achievement even though a dozen fighters in boxing history have done it. :rolleyes:

And yes it does mean he has accomplished more than Joe Calzaghe. And yes he has beaten better fighters than Joe Calzaghe just look at the list of opponents, i listed i think its pretty obvious.

You don't believe Floyd Mayweather could fight past 35 for what reason ? he's just as savy as Bernard Hopkins. He is the best all round fighter in boxing today, and what the hell has his body frame got to do with it ?

Floyd Mayweather keeps himself in shape all year round, he is one of the best conditioned athletes in the world today. And how has Floyd Mayweather got hit more cleanly ? i hardly see him take a flush punch against two very good fighters in ODLH, Ricky Hatton.

Lastly no its obvious Floyd Mayweather has beat the better opposition, if he didn't have the better overall career he wouldn't be rated higher by Ring Magazine, the fans, and in the all time P4P rankings where experts rank them. And just by using common sense and not being biased its obvious he is a greater fighter with the better career.

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if joe was american then he would be an all time great!

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No he wouldn't he's not an ATG because of his opposition.

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incorrect

beat hopkins in his own backyard, yeah the one that beat pavlik
Lacy the one that taylor thought was good enough to fight instead of fighting for the wbc title
Kessler - nuff said

theres a few

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Jeff Lacy was mediocre.

Bernard Hopkins is still very good.

Mikkel Kessler is a good fighter, but still a bit unproven. Although i consider him a very good fighter but he needs to fight the top boys, to see where he does belong.