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are people forgetting how Judah gave PBF trouble for the first half of their fight, and lets not forget that Judah has the mind of a small child who gets distracted and forgets were he is from the 6th round on of all his fights,
Pacquiao is as faster if not faster than Mayweather and this will give Floyd problems, the southpaw style makes him a little uncomfortable too i think and with the power manny has i dont see him throwing away the opportunitys that Zab did
Zab Judah is faster than Manny Pacquiao and there not really alike at all, and i don't remember Zab Judah having that much success. He won 3 out of 4 rounds at the start, then Floyd Mayweather Jr worked him out then battered him for the rest of the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmanhatton
And would of stopped him had it not been for that desperate move from Zab Judah in the 10th round. And i don't think Floyd Mayweather Jr has much trouble with Southpaw's he easily beat DeMarcus Corley, Sharmba Mitchell.
And lastly im gonna return the question to you, have you forgotten the trouble Manny Pacquiao had with JMM's counter punching style ? and isn't Floyd Mayweather Jr faster, bigger, stronger, and much better defensively aswell as a better counter puncher than JMM ?
hmm firstly i would disagree that Judah is faster, secondly yes he took 3 rounds of 4 and then he began to unravel as Judah does, however Pac will be as fresh and eager to go for all 12 rounds or for however long it lasts,
the only two fighters to have rocked mayweather even slightly were southpaws, Corley and Judah, coincedence ?
and using Corley and Mitchell as examples ?? were talking top level fighters here a total different kettle of fish to those two
Floyd wont attack Manny in the way JMM did, yes he counter punched well but after that hed chase Pac down and not just hit him once before getting back on the bike as PBF will do,
intelligent pressure is the name of the game here and Pac will put that on floyd, wait and see
If the longoff has no effect on Floyd he should win.
Pacquiao struggles with counterpunchers as was proved against Marquez.
Mayweather is the best counterpuncher in the sport, has very good lateral movement plus has a very accurate right hand that is perfect against southpaws.
Are people forgetting that Zab's arms are five inches longer than Pacman's plus two inches taller. The opportunities that Zab had won't be there for Manny. Manny's opportunities won't present themselves in the same light as Judah's. PACMAN will have to look to another strategy. Because Floyd will stay on the outside jabbing until manny reaches for him out of desperation.Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmanhatton
I still think he went down vs Judah, but that's just me.Quote:
Mayweather also has a very good chin and has never been down. Which is even more trouble for Pacquiao if he catches him
Before Pac faced Hatton people talked about certain weaknesses/flaws that would make Hatton pay and that's what happened. As for Mayweather, what can we say that will make him lose if he has not shown any clear weakness/flaw?
Let's see how Mayweather performs vs Marquez coming July and then we'll talk about Mayweather being rusty or not. Remember, JMM has given Pac his biggest challenges ending in two questionable decisions. So if Mayweather beats JMM in a convincing fashion then it will serve as a statement. Pretty much like having them say this to each other "Look at how easily I bet Hatton and you took you more rounds than me to beat him?...Look how I dominated JMM and you got gift decisions TWICE?".
I am going to Vegas to watch this fight.
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Originally Posted by Chino
He did technically, but it was a balance shot more than a power shot.
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Originally Posted by hitmanhatton
Judah in no way is faster then pacquiao....not on a consistant basis anyhow
I cant commit to a sig bet myself at the moment...at least until Haye/Wlad beccause I have the bet w lefty already...but we will come up w something:DQuote:
Originally Posted by ICBI would confidently take one but i can't do a sig bet, because im a bit on and off on this forum at the moment. And at times i will be off for a few weeks or so, but if you don't mind that we can do that or a rep bet or whatever. Its your call chief.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnQuote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Tell you what,,,,if the fight comes off you make the bet....
The tables have turned on Mayweather a little here, he is no longer the MAN!
Pacquiao is the MAN of the moment and it is he who should dictate terms in any possible match up in the future (hopefully this year). Can PBF make 140lb?
If i was Pacman i would be insisting on this, why should he fight him at 147lb?
Next thing for Mayweather is he must get past Marquez, no easy fight for him as Marquez is the only fighter in recent years to give Pacquiao a competitive fight.
Mayweather will have second thoughts about this comeback, realising boxing didn't need him as much as he thought.
The fight has to happen and it will probably be at 147lb, (Mayweather rules the kingdom, in his own mind anyway) i think Pacman will break through the defence of Mayweather and win. Mayweather will be spending his whole time fending Pacman off and his offense will suffer, Pacquiao will catch him at some point.
Floyd wins this fight in a 12 round decision. Pacquiao won't get through Floyd's defense to land anything of significance.
One that could end in that rare boxing beast the draw. PBF has to get past JMM first which is no easy task, I am sure he has been secretly training big time for a few months before deciding to come back but he might just get caught out a bit rusty. If JMM wins then it's all over for PBF unless he decides on a rematch but the glitter would be gone for a subsequent Pac fight.
Allowing for PBF being a little rusty , if he gets in a decent 12 rounder and still looks good then the questions need to be asked of Pac and how ready he can be. Quite honestly although he dismantled his last two opponents he did it with such ease you would need to question his readiness to go a long 12 chasing PBF.
After this past week I wouldn't put anything past Pac, I had Hatton as a sure thing but the little man showed he is something special. I just think that any time recently he has actually had a decent challenge he has gotten a bit flustered at some stages and PBF is capable of getting him very frustrated.
Head says PBF over 12, heart says Pac within 6.
David Haye is relieved that Pac can't grow up the way that's for sure ;D
It is more about size than anything. Pacquiao stands 5'6 and has a 67" reach; Floyd stands 5'8 and has a 72" reach. PBF has fought at 147 since 2006. Manny was fighting below 130 at that time. They may be very comparable in speed, agility, and endurance. But, pardon the cliche, all other things being equal, a naturally bigger man will beat a smaller man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocky Balboa
N.B. Hatton and Pacquiao didn't actually look too different in size. They stood about the same size and Pacquiao actually had a longer reach.
Floyd should put all the naysayers criticism to rest by challenging true welters. He should beat SSM, Cotto, and Pwill. That would do more for his legacy than beating Pac.
Beating Floyd would do a lot for Pac's legacy because PBF is the former p4p #1 and a naturally bigger man. In beating Pac, Floyd would just be beating another smaller man, albeit the greatest in the last 20 years, but another smaller man.
I think Roach will see it as his greatest chess match, and I think another aspect is that Manny will be okay at reaching Floyd and getting back out.. He kind of commits forward, but slips and gets his head down and out to keep away from Floyd.. As long as he has different angles and isn't predictable, which I don't think Pac is, Floyd will at the absolute minimum, have trouble with him...
Not to say he won't win and look good doing it, but I don't see it being easy and I don't see Pac taking anything to risky to get himself knocked out.. Roach will have a good plan of attack and defence, and I think Floyd and Roach will be prepared as if it is the biggest fight of Manny's career.. Because it will be... And if he's intelligent and doesn't leave anything in the ring, Floyd will not have an easy time at all...
I am reading the same things most said prior to dela Hoya's and Hatton's fight against Pacquiao. And when Pacquiao destroyed them both some people know exactly the reason why.
And if Pacman defeats PBF, I have a pretty good idea what some will say the reason PBF lost.
I think Roach is right PBF is afraid of Pacquiao. He could have fought a comeback fight with someone Roach will pick for Pacquiao after Hatton. Instead he went for JMM. Why?
"He's a good small man. I'm a great big man."..that's why.
The experts in the sport are saying Pacquiao is one of (if not THE) greatest fighter that ever lived. I guess Pacquiao will have to prove that again in the ring like he always does.