Your thoughts on Lennox Lewis-Vitali Klitschko?

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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by johnmaff36

If klitschko was as good a boxer as what some guys would have us believe then he wouldnt be leaning right back to begin with. That gets taught to you when your a kid. You also say that 'Sure lewis opened up a couple of other smaller cuts' as if it was of no significance and merely an afterthought. Also, whats the difference if lewis grazed him or caught him flush? He still cut him badly. Credit were credits due. He won fair and square. No point people (maybe not you personally)saying 'if this happened' or 'Vitali woulda KO'd him had it went another 2-3 rounds'. It didnt. The record books will show a Lewis victory regardless of its or buts

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....not everyone is 6'7, his style has worked for him he's lead on the scorecards (not that he's needed them) in every single fight he has been in, I don't know what you would call it but I call it success.

I reference the Ali-Quarry fight, Ali cut Quarry and the fight got stopped HOWEVER Ali gave Quarry the rematch anyway.....Lennox didn't do that, why? Well because he knew what was waiting for him. Lennox was getting older, Vitali would be just as prepared for him had they set up a rematch, Vitali had the style, chin, speed, stamina, and power to not just beat Lennox but beat him up and if they both had extra time to prepare then Lennox would have been humiliated because there was no way he could have handled it at his advanced age

You idiots think just because Vitali got cut (for the most part by accident) that he got his ass handed to him, that's fucking ridiculous. I don't make it out like Vitali won, but #1 He was up on ALL scorecards #2 Lennox Lewis was the ONLY person happy that fight got stopped "look at the state of his face, look at the state of his face!"....Lennox's face wasn't messed up but he knew damn well he was a lucky S.O.B which is why there was no rematch and Lennox has stayed retired, it's easy to stay retired when you know there is a dude waiting to kick your ass as soon as you set foot in the ring again.

Yes Vitali got cut by Lewis, the cut over the eyelid was the one that stopped the fight and that cut was a FLUKE, and if you can't accept that then fine, but Lennox Lewis was one lucky bastard that night.

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Lyle I am usually (Most of the time the only one) who backs you on the Klitschko arguements but to say Lewis retired and would not come back because he was scared of Vitali is something I can not stomache.

Lewis retired because he knoew his time had come and it was the best thing to do so he would not end up another champion who "Should" have known when it was time to go.

Smart man who uses his head over his balls to make decisions.

Lewis feared no man in the ring and beat every fucking man with a chance he ever faced, he dominated the HW division....Because when he faced a man 6!!!! years younger then him and realized he was slipping did not mean Vitali was afraid of him...

Lennox won the last 2 rds of the fight so it was VITALI who was going down the tubes....

Luck on a cut is by accidental butt, glove laces etc not a punch, and Lennox honed in like a freaking scud missle on the cut once it did happen making Vitali a bloody mess and to be cut and have it opened to that extent is not lucky!!!

Yes Lennox was tired as hell but so was Vitali and Lennox came in under trained, so a rematch with Lennox in top shape things would have really favored Lennox even if Vitali took the fight on short notice.

Lennox did not fear Vitali in no way shape or form...

Sorry to light the match that burned down that fairy tale

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100% correct. Couldnt have put it better myself. I too would agree with quite a few of lyles thoughts but this blinkered attitude towards Klitschko is getting a bit much.

You guys can argue all you want but the FACT is that Vitali was winning the fight, that is a FACT....don't tell me about "Vitali's face was bleeding, there were big cuts, he was gassing out" blah blah blah...58-56, 58-56, 58-56....get that through your head

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Originally Posted by Lyle

You guys can argue all you want but the FACT is that Vitali was winning the fight, that is a FACT....don't tell me about "Vitali's face was bleeding, there were big cuts, he was gassing out" blah blah blah...58-56, 58-56, 58-56....get that through your head

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I have been following this forum for a while but finally decided to register because of this thread, and Lyle here. I keep reading valid points on both sides of this discussion but here is the part I have a problem with. As you just said Lyle, Vitali was winning the fight by the score cards, however, as several people have brought up, Lennox had won the last 2 rounds before the fight was stopped. The likely hood is that the scale would have tipped in Lennox's favor the way things were going. But all speculation aside, Lennox won. Some people believe there should have been a rematch but just because they believe that doesn't mean it is truth. What did Lennox have to gain from a rematch? Like people have said, he was getting older and maybe his time was up. So he went out on a positive note. Just because you and others would like to see Lennox beaten, that is your view, but if Lennox believed he would not be able to keep up the performance of his past then it is not logical at all to take a rematch that would only benefit the up and coming Vitali, and those of you who just wanted to see Lennox lose to Vitali to prove some kind of point.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

You guys can argue all you want but the FACT is that Vitali was winning the fight, that is a FACT....don't tell me about "Vitali's face was bleeding, there were big cuts, he was gassing out" blah blah blah...58-56, 58-56, 58-56....get that through your head

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Yep, having thre old farts at ringside saying you were 2 points ahead at the half way stage of a fight is far more impressive than giving a guy 50 stitches and leaving him looking like a bomb blast victim :rolleyes:

yeh vitali was winning.

lennox lewis showed some atrocious technique in this fight. truly terrible stuff. he's not on mike tyson's level skill-wise, nor bowe's

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Originally Posted by sumkalambay

yeh vitali was winning.

lennox lewis showed some atrocious technique in this fight. truly terrible stuff. he's not on mike tyson's level skill-wise, nor bowe's

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Have a word with yourself mate

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Originally Posted by BIG H

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Originally Posted by Lyle

You guys can argue all you want but the FACT is that Vitali was winning the fight, that is a FACT....don't tell me about "Vitali's face was bleeding, there were big cuts, he was gassing out" blah blah blah...58-56, 58-56, 58-56....get that through your head

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Yep, having thre old farts at ringside saying you were 2 points ahead at the half way stage of a fight is far more impressive than giving a guy 50 stitches and leaving him looking like a bomb blast victim :rolleyes:

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Lyle you can argue all you want but the FACT is that Vitali LOST the fight, that is a FACT....don't tell me about "Vitali's face was bleeding, there were big cuts, he was gassing out" blah blah blah... HE LOST!!!....get that through your head.

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Originally Posted by BIG H

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Originally Posted by sumkalambay

yeh vitali was winning.

lennox lewis showed some atrocious technique in this fight. truly terrible stuff. he's not on mike tyson's level skill-wise, nor bowe's

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Have a word with yourself mate

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lewis was an impressive fighter. but his skillset was basic. no doubt about it. what he did have was strength, stature, and a massive punch in his arsenal.

skill-wise, bowe is a league above.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

You guys can argue all you want but the FACT is that Vitali was winning the fight, that is a FACT....don't tell me about "Vitali's face was bleeding, there were big cuts, he was gassing out" blah blah blah...58-56, 58-56, 58-56....get that through your head

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correct me if im wrong but wasnt it a 12 round fight. So what if vitali was 2pts up, 1 knockdown woulda put paid to that. Points mean NOTHING until the bell for the end of the fight. We all have our opinions but for once just accept the outcome

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Originally Posted by sumkalambay

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Originally Posted by BIG H

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Originally Posted by sumkalambay

yeh vitali was winning.

lennox lewis showed some atrocious technique in this fight. truly terrible stuff. he's not on mike tyson's level skill-wise, nor bowe's

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Have a word with yourself mate

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lewis was an impressive fighter. but his skillset was basic. no doubt about it. what he did have was strength, stature, and a massive punch in his arsenal.

skill-wise, bowe is a league above.

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OK Mate - I think we'll leave it there

lewis was fighting a fight one too many yet still would of gone on to knock out klitschko that night

Vitali was throwing the bigger shots through 2-4 but in 5-6 it was all lewis and he would stopped vitali eventually.

A half baked lennox busted up the very man that has dominated this division for the last half a decade

that says it all!!!!!!!!!!

This debate will just go on and on.People never liked Lewis and they will always find faults with him.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Lyle you can argue all you want but the FACT is that Vitali LOST the fight, that is a FACT....don't tell me about "Vitali's face was bleeding, there were big cuts, he was gassing out" blah blah blah... HE LOST!!!....get that through your head.

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....I'm not arguing the outcome of the fight, I'm arguing that there should have been a rematch and I based my claim on #1 The score cards #2 The freakish turn of events that caused the cut and #3 the PRECEDENT of Ali-Quarry.

Lyle 1 - the rest of you losers 0

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Originally Posted by littlebif

This debate will just go on and on.People never liked Lewis and they will always find faults with him.

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I don't mind Lewis, I think he was a very gifted fighter albeit he was lazy at times like vs Frank Bruno...when motivated he was one of the toughest technical and smartest fighters the heavyweight division has seen.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by littlebif

This debate will just go on and on.People never liked Lewis and they will always find faults with him.

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I don't mind Lewis, I think he was a very gifted fighter albeit he was lazy at times like vs Frank Bruno...when motivated he was one of the toughest technical and smartest fighters the heavyweight division has seen.

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Not very often you give a british fighter a compliment :o