Re: The definitive Mayweather/Pac article
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Well here's the thing, people that are on FLoyd's side keeps on bringing up Shane Mosley and how he passed the drug tests with ease and therefore the boxing drug tests today are so useless. But isn't Mosley the exception and not the norm? What about Vargas? What about Golota? What about Botha? What about Whitaker? What about Jones Jr? What about JCC Jr? And the lists of boxers caught with PEDs or recreational drugs are long. Is the system perfect? No, but it's not as useless and incompetent as some people are making it seem.
And btw what happened with the emails that Pacquiao tested dirty and tried to kept it a secret? People here and the media were saying that these were facts. No those were not facts but hearsay rumors. I'm still waiting on the emails. And then you have Michael Moorer who supposedly told Team Floyd that Pac was using but then went on record and say not true.
I was really hard on Pacquiao for awhile for not submitting to the tests, but where is the evidence that he's on something special?
I don't want bullshit hearsay rumors and innuendos but hardcore evidence and facts. Can anyone here provide them? Again what happened to the emails?
If someone won't take the test, how are you meant to prove they are cheating? Everyone agree that PED's are probably a problem in boxing. Where better to change the standard than in the biggest fight in history?
It is precisely because PBF is facing "a very live, very dangerous opponent" that he is demanding more stringent testing. What is wrong with that.
If you were going into this fight with your entire reputation and legacy on the line against someone you thought may be on PED's, you wouldn't want to use the test that would prevent him from using, or would you just go i there anyway?
As for the idea that Manny doesn't want to give him the upper hand! If I was going into a fight and my opponent said that I was so good that the only explanation was that I was on PEDs, that would be a huge boost to my confidence. I get the advantage by saying I'll test anytime any where, unless I was............
Hell I could have won the Nobel prize in Maths but I just didn't want to go that way. Because I didn't, you can't prove that I couldn't have.
Sorry the burden of proof is on the accuser not the accused. I can say that you like to touch little kids like Michael Jackson and Gary Glitter and that if you don't take this pedophile test then you are guilty is not proof especially if you weren't suspected of it before.;D
BTW I'm still waiting for emails that said Pacquiao tested dirty and wanted to cover it up. I'm still waiting for these so called hard evidence. So where is it? It's been practically a month already. Can you answer me?
For a while I thought maybe the guy is on something, then it dawn on me that most of this shit was hearsay rumors like the emails and Floyds dad starting the rumors because his fighter Hatton got sparked out in 2 rounds.
If your doing something extreme and arn't will to rule out the obvious then people will start talking. Using your very own example, if your child's baby sitter has been strongly accused of of being a paedo and everyone is talking about it. If there was a test that they could take, say a lie detector, that would show that they are innocent, and they refused for whatever reason, would you leave your kids with them?
I work in the ED, and if someone is accused of alcohol or drug taking and they refuse a test, then they are viewed to be guilty.
Anyone coming in following an MVA gets a blood alcohol level, even if they deny drinking or have never failed a alcohol test before
Re: The definitive Mayweather/Pac article
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sanj16
If someone won't take the test, how are you meant to prove they are cheating? Everyone agree that PED's are probably a problem in boxing. Where better to change the standard than in the biggest fight in history?
It is precisely because PBF is facing "a very live, very dangerous opponent" that he is demanding more stringent testing. What is wrong with that.
If you were going into this fight with your entire reputation and legacy on the line against someone you thought may be on PED's, you wouldn't want to use the test that would prevent him from using, or would you just go i there anyway?
As for the idea that Manny doesn't want to give him the upper hand! If I was going into a fight and my opponent said that I was so good that the only explanation was that I was on PEDs, that would be a huge boost to my confidence. I get the advantage by saying I'll test anytime any where, unless I was............
Hell I could have won the Nobel prize in Maths but I just didn't want to go that way. Because I didn't, you can't prove that I couldn't have.
Sorry the burden of proof is on the accuser not the accused. I can say that you like to touch little kids like Michael Jackson and Gary Glitter and that if you don't take this pedophile test then you are guilty is not proof especially if you weren't suspected of it before.;D
BTW I'm still waiting for emails that said Pacquiao tested dirty and wanted to cover it up. I'm still waiting for these so called hard evidence. So where is it? It's been practically a month already. Can you answer me?
For a while I thought maybe the guy is on something, then it dawn on me that most of this shit was hearsay rumors like the emails and Floyds dad starting the rumors because his fighter Hatton got sparked out in 2 rounds.
If your doing something extreme and arn't will to rule out the obvious then people will start talking. Using your very own example, if your child's baby sitter has been strongly accused of of being a paedo and everyone is talking about it. If there was a test that they could take, say a lie detector, that would show that they are innocent, and they refused for whatever reason, would you leave your kids with them?
I work in the ED, and if someone is accused of alcohol or drug taking and they refuse a test, then they are viewed to be guilty.
Anyone coming in following an MVA gets a blood alcohol level, even if they deny drinking or have never failed a alcohol test before
That is just like an educator to state the obvious. It's common sense and not the behavior of someone with something to hide. Not only that, it's not an accurate scenario. If my neighbor was shot to death, why the hell would I let the neighbor watch go through my house to look for a gun when I don't even fukn own one. Besides, as a boxer, I would have beat his ass to death rather than shoot him. I'd tell their dumb ass to go to the police and ask them to get a search warrant.
Re: The definitive Mayweather/Pac article
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Hauser excels himself yet again. The man tells it like it is :o
Boxing - Thomas Hauser - Mayweather-Pacquiao, PEDs, and Boxing
"Golden Boy can take the lead on the issue of PEDs in boxing and become a beacon of integrity by requiring its fighters to submit to Olympic-style drug testing before each major fight. And in order to fight on a Golden Boy card (remember; Golden Boy has a lot of dates on HBO), it could require opponents to do the same.
In fact, Golden Boy could start by testing Shane Mosley to protect Shane from unknowingly using PEDs again. It’s interesting how Shane looked very old when he fought Ricardo Mayorga in 2008 and then improved with age when he fought Antonio Margarito in 2009.
And speaking of age; let’s have a round of applause for another Golden Boy fighter; Bernard Hopkins. People talk a lot about what great shape Bernard is in and how remarkable it is that a fighter well into his forties can perform the way he does.
I consider Hopkins a great fighter. Other fighters have moved up in weight and excelled in the manner of Manny Pacquiao. But there is no precedent for a fighter performing as agelessly as Bernard has. I’m aware of no proof whatsoever that Hopkins has used illegal performance enhancing drugs at any time in his career. Of course, to my knowledge, Bernard hasn’t undergone USADA testing.
WBA heavyweight champion David Haye is another Golden Boy fighter. David was a cruiserweight less than two years ago. His body has filled out nicely since then. Very nicely. Now Haye wants to fight Vitali and Wladimir Klitschko. Vitali tested positive for a banned substance while training for the 1996 Olympics and was removed from the Ukrainian national team. He later acknowledged using steroids, saying that he had done so after aggravating an old leg injury previously sustained during a kick-boxing bout. Wladimir’s body is even more imposing than Vitali’s.
If Haye fights one of the Klitschko brothers, a Golden Boy-implemented USADA-like testing plan would assure the world that everything is on the up and up.
Will Golden Boy take the lead in across-the-board PED testing?
My guess is that there’s a better chance of Tiger Woods becoming Pope."
Crap article, biased, uneducated (I won't go into that I'll be typing all day) and from an obvious Pac Fan
This guy should go and work for Fox news.
If ANY athlete (Hopkins, Haye, klitscho, Pacquiao, blah blah blah) has nothing to hide they won't mind doing a test. In fact in sport that i've been involved in the best athletes jumped at the chance to do a test and prove they were clean....
I don't care who the fighter is. If they refuse testing (and to my knowledge, Haye, Klitscho, Hopkins etel have not publicly refused testing) then they look suspisious. And if you fail a test then harsh penalties should be served.
It's clear as day for me with no gray area.
Re: The definitive Mayweather/Pac article
Yeah to me it is a weak defense to say that there is no reason to say that Pac is being unfairly singled out and therefore he shouldn't take the test. Hopkins, Haye, those guys haven't refused tests to my knowledge. As an athlete, the onus is on you to be as transparent as possible about testing and if not you run the risk of incriminating yourself. I don't know either way but the doubt is there and that's Pacquiao's fault.
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Yeah to me it is a weak defense to say that there is no reason to say that Pac is being unfairly singled out and therefore he shouldn't take the test. Hopkins, Haye, those guys haven't refused tests to my knowledge. As an athlete, the onus is on you to be as transparent as possible about testing and if not you run the risk of incriminating yourself. I don't know either way but the doubt is there and that's Pacquiao's fault.
We definately see this the same way my friend.
Re: The definitive Mayweather/Pac article
The drug testing demand of Floyd has been a public relations disaster for both Team Mayweather & Team Pacquiao. They both could have handled it differently. Team Mayweather could have come up with the statement that Floyd wants blood drug testing to be implemented in any of his future fights & would insist that the Nevada Boxing Commission come up with the terms of such blood test (so that it does not appear like he is dictating the terms of such drug test) or Team Pacquiao comes out with a statement that they're agreeable to blood drug testing but would want the Commission to dictate the terms & they would abide by such terms (so that it doesn't appear like Manny is hiding something & it would not allow Floyd to dictate the terms) . This puts the ball in the hands of the Commisssion. Public outcry & Commissions desire to have the megafight in their city would have made them act on those request.
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That is just like an educator to state the obvious. It's common sense and not the behavior of someone with something to hide. Not only that, it's not an accurate scenario. If my neighbor was shot to death, why the hell would I let the neighbor watch go through my house to look for a gun when I don't even fukn own one. Besides, as a boxer, I would have beat his ass to death rather than shoot him. I'd tell their dumb ass to go to the police and ask them to get a search warrant.
You are a truly god-awful poster. So you attack his profession, even if his points are better than yours, particularly his 'inaccurate' scenario, which is far more feasible than the garbled one you put up.
I assume you mean the neighbourhood watch, but they generally don't take on investigations in instances of murder, the police do. Now if the police had truly inefficient methods of investigating, then would you object if the family of the victim hired a more effective private investigator and do you not think not allowing him into your home might make you look suspicious? Why would you not allow him to look for a gun that was not used in the murder if you were innocent?
Your sentence about you being a boxer indicates that you're someone who almost certainly doesn't box, because if you did you wouldn't feel the need to hype yourself as some kind of tough guy with it. You can tell most of the people who box on here because they don't feel the need to mention it to indicate what hard men or women they are. That or you are just a gigantic douche who likes picking on people less able to defend themselves.
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So, If he wasn't afraid to make the fight, what do you call it?
Again, Garbeled logic. You claim that we cannot judge Manny based on his refusal to take the test, and in the very stream of thought judge that PBF is scared to fight Manny because he advocated that they both be amenable to a testing regimine that can be applied randomly. Like I said in many previous posts, the quality of logical discussion on boxing has been degraded down several levels by the acrobatic linguistics of MP sycophants. Their visceral hatred for PBF has created a kind of madness that makes logic elusive in their efforts to make him the devil and Manny the angel. But that is history, the PBF always become the devil for those who envy their prowess and reject their right to be assertive.
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So, If he wasn't afraid to make the fight, what do you call it?
Again, Garbeled logic. You claim that we cannot judge Manny based on his refusal to take the test, and in the very stream of thought judge that PBF is scared to fight Manny because he advocated that they both be amenable to a testing regimine that can be applied randomly. Like I said in many previous posts, the quality of logical discussion on boxing has been degraded down several levels by the acrobatic linguistics of MP sycophants. Their visceral hatred for PBF has created a kind of madness that makes logic elusive in their efforts to make him the devil and Manny the angel. But that is history, the PBF always become the devil for those who envy their prowess and reject their right to be assertive.
Great post
Both fighters made their demands.
Why wasn't Pacquiao chastized when he called for $10,000,000 for every pound over weight? Pac's team did this either to play head games, ensure an even fight or hope that Floyd wouldn't go for it and not except the fight.
Floyd made his demands. He did this to either play head games, ensure an even fight or hope that Pac wouldn't go for it and not except the fight.
They are both as good/bad as each other depending how you look at it.
My personal opinion though is I don't care who the athlete is but if you're at the top of your sport earning this kind of money you shouldn't be refusing testing.
Re: The definitive Mayweather/Pac article
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generalbulldog
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If someone won't take the test, how are you meant to prove they are cheating? Everyone agree that PED's are probably a problem in boxing. Where better to change the standard than in the biggest fight in history?
It is precisely because PBF is facing "a very live, very dangerous opponent" that he is demanding more stringent testing. What is wrong with that.
If you were going into this fight with your entire reputation and legacy on the line against someone you thought may be on PED's, you wouldn't want to use the test that would prevent him from using, or would you just go i there anyway?
As for the idea that Manny doesn't want to give him the upper hand! If I was going into a fight and my opponent said that I was so good that the only explanation was that I was on PEDs, that would be a huge boost to my confidence. I get the advantage by saying I'll test anytime any where, unless I was............
Hell I could have won the Nobel prize in Maths but I just didn't want to go that way. Because I didn't, you can't prove that I couldn't have.
Sorry the burden of proof is on the accuser not the accused. I can say that you like to touch little kids like Michael Jackson and Gary Glitter and that if you don't take this pedophile test then you are guilty is not proof especially if you weren't suspected of it before.;D
BTW I'm still waiting for emails that said Pacquiao tested dirty and wanted to cover it up. I'm still waiting for these so called hard evidence. So where is it? It's been practically a month already. Can you answer me?
For a while I thought maybe the guy is on something, then it dawn on me that most of this shit was hearsay rumors like the emails and Floyds dad starting the rumors because his fighter Hatton got sparked out in 2 rounds.
If your doing something extreme and arn't will to rule out the obvious then people will start talking. Using your very own example, if your child's baby sitter has been strongly accused of of being a paedo and everyone is talking about it. If there was a test that they could take, say a lie detector, that would show that they are innocent, and they refused for whatever reason, would you leave your kids with them?
I work in the ED, and if someone is accused of alcohol or drug taking and they refuse a test, then they are viewed to be guilty.
Anyone coming in following an MVA gets a blood alcohol level, even if they deny drinking or have never failed a alcohol test before
So what Pacquiao doing is extreme in boxing? Do you know your boxing history? So what Ray Robinson, Armstrong, Ted Kid Lewis were doing were extreme? How about a modern great like Duran? Ever seen his fights with Moore and Barkley? What weight did Duran start at? How about 122.
BTW, you never answered me this question. Where is the hardcore evidence against Pacquiao? Not hearsay rumors, not innuendo, but hardcore evidence. As in someone in his camp with testimonial evidence. Physical evidence with needles lying around. And oh yeah what happened to the emails that Teddy Atlas reported as fact that Pacqiao and his people asked Mayweather to cover up for him to save boxing.
So where are the emails? Surely if let's say the New York Times can uncover things like the Pentagon Papers with regards to the Vietnam War surely they can come up with emails that the sports biggest draw was asking people to cover up his dirty drug secrets. Teddy Atlas reported that a reporter of teh NY Times saw the emails. The NY Times has a very strong reputation when it comes to journalistic integrity.
So let me ask again. Where are the emails? Where is the hard evidence? (I have a feeling another bullshit excuse is on the way)
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The drug testing demand of Floyd has been a public relations disaster for both Team Mayweather & Team Pacquiao. They both could have handled it differently. Team Mayweather could have come up with the statement that Floyd wants blood drug testing to be implemented in any of his future fights & would insist that the Nevada Boxing Commission come up with the terms of such blood test (so that it does not appear like he is dictating the terms of such drug test) or Team Pacquiao comes out with a statement that they're agreeable to blood drug testing but would want the Commission to dictate the terms & they would abide by such terms (so that it doesn't appear like Manny is hiding something & it would not allow Floyd to dictate the terms) . This puts the ball in the hands of the Commisssion. Public outcry & Commissions desire to have the megafight in their city would have made them act on those request.
anyone who has common sense must be thinking the same.
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generalbulldog
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sanj16
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generalbulldog
Sorry the burden of proof is on the accuser not the accused. I can say that you like to touch little kids like Michael Jackson and Gary Glitter and that if you don't take this pedophile test then you are guilty is not proof especially if you weren't suspected of it before.;D
BTW I'm still waiting for emails that said Pacquiao tested dirty and wanted to cover it up. I'm still waiting for these so called hard evidence. So where is it? It's been practically a month already. Can you answer me?
For a while I thought maybe the guy is on something, then it dawn on me that most of this shit was hearsay rumors like the emails and Floyds dad starting the rumors because his fighter Hatton got sparked out in 2 rounds.
If your doing something extreme and arn't will to rule out the obvious then people will start talking. Using your very own example, if your child's baby sitter has been strongly accused of of being a paedo and everyone is talking about it. If there was a test that they could take, say a lie detector, that would show that they are innocent, and they refused for whatever reason, would you leave your kids with them?
I work in the ED, and if someone is accused of alcohol or drug taking and they refuse a test, then they are viewed to be guilty.
Anyone coming in following an MVA gets a blood alcohol level, even if they deny drinking or have never failed a alcohol test before
So what Pacquiao doing is extreme in boxing? Do you know your boxing history? So what Ray Robinson, Armstrong, Ted Kid Lewis were doing were extreme? How about a modern great like Duran? Ever seen his fights with Moore and Barkley? What weight did Duran start at? How about 122.
BTW, you never answered me this question. Where is the hardcore evidence against Pacquiao? Not hearsay rumors, not innuendo, but hardcore evidence. As in someone in his camp with testimonial evidence. Physical evidence with needles lying around. And oh yeah
what happened to the emails that Teddy Atlas reported as fact that Pacqiao and his people asked Mayweather to cover up for him to save boxing.
So where are the emails? Surely if let's say the New York Times can uncover things like the Pentagon Papers with regards to the Vietnam War surely they can come up with emails that the sports biggest draw was asking people to cover up his dirty drug secrets. Teddy Atlas reported that a reporter of teh NY Times saw the emails. The NY Times has a very strong reputation when it comes to journalistic integrity.
So let me ask again. Where are the emails? Where is the hard evidence? (I have a feeling another bullshit excuse is on the way)
Atlas probably deleted it after their SysAd learned that the IP trace reveals that the IP Address was from Michigan. :D
Re: The definitive Mayweather/Pac article
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The drug testing demand of Floyd has been a public relations disaster for both Team Mayweather & Team Pacquiao. They both could have handled it differently. Team Mayweather could have come up with the statement that Floyd wants blood drug testing to be implemented in any of his future fights & would insist that the Nevada Boxing Commission come up with the terms of such blood test (so that it does not appear like he is dictating the terms of such drug test) or Team Pacquiao comes out with a statement that they're agreeable to blood drug testing but would want the Commission to dictate the terms & they would abide by such terms (so that it doesn't appear like Manny is hiding something & it would not allow Floyd to dictate the terms) . This puts the ball in the hands of the Commisssion. Public outcry & Commissions desire to have the megafight in their city would have made them act on those request.
anyone who has common sense must be thinking the same.
Your the last person who should be telling people what common sense is, considering how ridiculously biased and irrational you are.
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miron_lang
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InTheNeutralCorner
The drug testing demand of Floyd has been a public relations disaster for both Team Mayweather & Team Pacquiao. They both could have handled it differently. Team Mayweather could have come up with the statement that Floyd wants blood drug testing to be implemented in any of his future fights & would insist that the Nevada Boxing Commission come up with the terms of such blood test (so that it does not appear like he is dictating the terms of such drug test) or Team Pacquiao comes out with a statement that they're agreeable to blood drug testing but would want the Commission to dictate the terms & they would abide by such terms (so that it doesn't appear like Manny is hiding something & it would not allow Floyd to dictate the terms) . This puts the ball in the hands of the Commisssion. Public outcry & Commissions desire to have the megafight in their city would have made them act on those request.
anyone who has common sense must be thinking the same.
Your the last person who should be telling people what common sense is, considering how ridiculously biased and irrational you are.
You're talking out of your ass here.
Bias? Irrational?
I support Pac you hate him just live with it.
