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The right hand for Shane is just icing on the cake, the punches he HAS to land are #1 The Jab #2 The left hook. Floyd has trouble vs the jab, hell everyone has trouble vs a good jab, and if Shane can land ANY left hooks he'll do big damage.
Shane is also going to need to catch Floyd when PBF finally tries to throw anything back which is also why the jab is important as it should get Floyd to try and counter once he gets tagged with it enough.
Good stuff Lyle. One thing though.... Cotto is not particuarly tall and his boxing skills are nowhere near Floyds but he clearly outboxed him. I never said he'd hurt Shane just that he'd beat him and beat him clearly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
The problem there is Cotto was still an unknown quantity. Shane didn't know that Cotto could back up and move the way he did. He underestimated Cotto big time.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyuGood stuff Lyle. One thing though.... Cotto is not particuarly tall and his boxing skills are nowhere near Floyds but he clearly outboxed him. I never said he'd hurt Shane just that he'd beat him and beat him clearly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
And to be honest, he overestimated him too. He tried to be a little too cute to begin with. Cotto needs to be steam rolled to be beat. We know that know.
In relevance to Floyd. I (as pretty much everyone else) know everything Floyd has to offer... Every little trick in the book has been seen. In theory, it should be easier to formulate AND execute a game plan against Floyd based on what Floyd does fight after fight after fight.
He's style is VERY regimented. (i hope that's the right word to use ??? )
Don't know about any left hooks getting through :-\
Alas, many fighters have thought the same thing and none have them have been able to do anything about it. You make it sound like the way Floyd fights is simple and just about anybody should be able to break him down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimboogie
DLH could have beaten him at some point but he did drop the jab and slowed down in the late rounds. Shane's jab won't stop, especially with Nazeem and he won't stop neither in the late rounds. Personally, I think peoples are counting Mosley out way too fast.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
I dunno. I don't mean to come across like I have no respect for Floyd as a fighter. I just know him inside out.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZillaAlas, many fighters have thought the same thing and none have them have been able to do anything about it. You make it sound like the way Floyd fights is simple and just about anybody should be able to break him down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimboogie
It must be just me ???
In his own unique way, he does things very much by 'the book'. Move-by-move... I can, quite literally, call his offensive as it unfolds.
Where he excels is in his reactions. That's his little superhuman trait that makes things so damn unbeatable.
So many fighters have fell in to the trap of getting him on the ropes, or getting close and then firing away with clubbing wide shots... I beg why?
Mosley, I hope, can put the emphasis on getting home with the right punches and not in just trying to beat the fight out of Floyd. That may come as a natural progression given Mosley's speed and power... Who knows..?
And yeah, i said 'i hope' ;D
Floyd on points majority decision.
Everyone Shane has faced well tell you otherwise...Quote:
Originally Posted by JimboogieI definitely see your point T. Mosley needs to keep his shots straight. I hate the looping right hand he puts so much faith in... It seldom works these days... Even when he 'hides' it behind a jab.Quote:
Originally Posted by Truth
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In relevance to Floyd. I (as pretty much everyone else) know everything Floyd has to offer... Every little trick in the book has been seen. In theory, it should be easier to formulate AND execute a game plan against Floyd based on what Floyd does fight after fight after fight.
He's style is VERY regimented. (i hope that's the right word to use ??? )
Alas, many fighters have thought the same thing and none have them have been able to do anything about it. You make it sound like the way Floyd fights is simple and just about anybody should be able to break him down.
Dream on FHs. I don't mean that Mosely do not have a chance to beat Floyd. But to analyze this fight on a premise that PBF is not a unique and exceptional talent is ludicrous.Quote:
I dunno. I don't mean to come across like I have no respect for Floyd as a fighter. I just know him inside out.
It must be just me ???
In his own unique way, he does things very much by 'the book'. Move-by-move... I can, quite literally, call his offensive as it unfolds.
Where he excels is in his reactions. That's his little superhuman trait that makes things so damn unbeatable.
So many fighters have fell in to the trap of getting him on the ropes, or getting close and then firing away with clubbing wide shots... I beg why?
Mosley, I hope, can put the emphasis on getting home with the right punches and not in just trying to beat the fight out of Floyd. That may come as a natural progression given Mosley's speed and power... Who knows..?
And yeah, i said 'i hope' ;D
A well trained and in form PBF will beat anyone at 147 and under that is fighting today. Tomorrow, as age takes a toll of his reflexis and skill, that certainy wont be possible. But then it will be time defeating him rather than an opponent.
Shane Is Old! He's Had One Good Win In 5 Years If Not More And Hasn't Boxed Since That Win. He's Going To Get Winky'ed Again.
right because Floyd and Margarito have such a similar defense. it took about 9 rounds of endless unguarded flush punches to Margarito's skull before he was dropped, you're fooling yourself if you think that's gonna be Floyd. if anything the person that will be getting clean all night would be Mosley.Quote:
Originally Posted by NamelessThat and if Shane did drop iron jaw Margarito, you can be sure he can drop Floyd without much problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Cotto hurt Shane, he worked the body and made him wince in pain every so often. In that fight Shane tried to be too cute and Cotto used a solid jab to set up his attack....that's something Floyd can't and won't do.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyu
Majesty....Shane coming on late in a fight would be a NIGHTMARE for Floyd. Floyd gets his wins by outrunning early and then outgunning late
Shane coming on late will give Floyd more chances to counter. have you ever seen Floyd get tired? When's the last time you've seen Floyd get tired in the ring? Just because another fighter hasn't been able to come on late in a fight against Floyd doesn't mean Floyd doesn't have another gear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Know why the fighters get tired? Because they go through about 6 or 7 rounds of expending their energy trying to hit Floyd and can't and Floyd has great conditioning and can come on late. Floyd comes on late in a fight too, ask Corrales. After about the 5th or 6th round Floyd begins to pick it up. So if Shane comes on late in a fight he'll just be matched by Floyd, because Floyd comes on late in the fight too. The thing is Shane is going to be the one spending more energy in the early rounds. So it won't be a nightmare for Floyd. Judging how Shane looked against Mayorga I'd be more worried about how much Shane will have left. If he got tagged all night by Mayorga and had issues with those telegraphed punches, then Floyd will be a NIGHTMARE for him. Margarito is slow, Mayorga has a little bit of speed and caught Mosley. So I have a hard time seeing how Mosley is gonna deal with Floyd's speed.
You brought up a point where you said Floyd has trouble with jabs, he really doesn't, everyone points to the Oscar fight but they neglect that the reason Oscar stopped using the jab was because Floyd started countering it and even hurt him with a straight right. So Floyd has shown he has an answer for the jab.
However Shane never has. Shane doesn't have an answer for the jab he has never shown one and Mayweather has a good jab too, to the body and to the head. So you should be more worried about Shane not having an answer for the jab as opposed to Mayweather.
Floyd doesn't get tired because people are too cautious about coming after him. Now Shane can't get careless but he's going to have to apply pressure and he can do that by winning a couple rounds and then making Floyd come to him OR Shane can work behind a steady jab and try to time Floyd for a big punch.
Floyd's going to be the hands down favorite for a reason he's skilled as hell but Shane is a tough matchup for him and I think that Floyd MAY try to make a statement to Pacquiao's camp by trying to destroy Shane and perhaps it's that which finally makes Floyd vulnerable to a fighter who is at the end of his career and who wants one more big win on his record. Floyd may be laying low for Shane but never sleep on the guy, he's tough, he's rugged, and he's got quick powerful hands.....this is the most dangerous fight of Floyd's career