Re: Who did better agaisnt Floyd?
Marquez was offered to Hatton for a fight. He turned it down. Smart boy. Hatton himself knows he has no chance against a fighter as great as Marquez. Hatton has always been a limited fighter. But his youth, determination and heart got him through. It's the reason for his career success. Now a days things are different. His youth (at least in boxing years) is gone. He's still very determine. But it's a different determination. Before where he was determined to cave his opponents ribs in. Today he's only determined to eat as many ribs as possible. And his heart is on it's last legs. Years of booze, drugs and gravy have taken it's toll. Marquez-Hatton gets made today. Hatton doesn't make it out the first round
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juanma marquez would have given ricky hatton a nice boxing lesson like he gave katsidis and stopped him late as well.
I love Katsidis but Ricky Hatton did make Koysta quit. I dont know about JMM being able to school ricky and stop him at 140. JMM has never even fought at that weight.
if Pacquiao was able to counter Hatton the way he did, Marquez would have done it just the same, only difference is he would have taken his time doing it and stopped Hatton a bit later around the 8th or 9th, no doubt in my mind
thats if JMM is himself at 140. If his timing is off and he is slowed by the extra weight, ricky could bully him for 12 rounds.
ummm did you not watch the Katsidis fight? Marquez was at 145 lbs on fight night, he didn't look any slower and his timing was definitely not off, he would wreck Hatton
Actually you are right I forgot JMM did weigh in at 145, therfor he shouldnt have any problem leaving 135 and fighting at 140.
What I am trying to tell you is Hatton may look shit now but Katsidis and Juan Diaz are a level below Ricky and the fact that Ricky is bigger and stronger.
JMM whooped Diaz and Katsidis that doesn't mean he'll do the same to Hatton. Different animal Ricky is/was.
and he did it effortlessly...at 37, Hatton was countered all night by a guy who's not a counter puncher in Pacquiao, Marquez is probably THE BEST counter puncher alive today, he would catch Hatton and counter him all night, he has a sturdy enough chin to take Hatton's shots, and he has the uppercut which Hatton has always been open for, it's not even in theory, Marquez would destroy Hatton, and yea he already released a statement saying he'd go all the way up to 147 to fight Pacquiao so he's not the one holding up a possible fight, that'd be Manny who's looking to fight Floyd's leftovers once again
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I think Roach will pit Khan with JMM after the Maidana fight. Hopefully JMM won't duck him again.
Khan is finally fighting Maidana basically cause he had no other choice (well unless he wanted to sit out and wait till after Alexander/Bradley), Marquez has never ducked anyone, and if anyone would be the coward it'd be Khan for looking to fight a smaller guy in Marquez (or Morales as he and Roach were looking for) instead of guys like Bradley, Alexander, Ortiz, or anyone at 140 or above
Its funny cause your theory is that JMM is a better counter puncher then pac so that means JMM will beat hatton too. Well Floyd is a better counter puncher then all and even him didnt have such an easy time with Hatton before he did stop Hatton. We saw JMM fight above 135 once, granted it was against the best boxer (floyd) but he did not look as good. Your telling me JMM would go up to 140 and treat Hatton like he treated Diaz and Katsidis. Easy for you to say but would not be easy for JMM to do. How about we wait and see if JMM fight guys above 135 first.
Mayweather also fought Hatton when he was undefeated, and Mayweather is a defensive fighter so obviously he wasn't going to go in there balls to the wall trying to get the KO, if you wanna try and pull that shit, than in theory Mayweather should have no problem with Pacquiao seeing how Manny has never clearly beaten Marquez (in fact Pacquiao should be 0-2 against JMM) and Mayweather beat him effortlessly, he could have stopped him at any point by from round 3 onwards and didn't for God knows what reason, styles make fights, and it's a bit obvious that Hatton's style is made perfectly for Marquez, it's a guy who now just comes forward with little head movement and doesn't bother putting his shots together, it's not rocket science, Marquez would slaughter him
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juanma marquez would have given ricky hatton a nice boxing lesson like he gave katsidis and stopped him late as well.
I love Katsidis but Ricky Hatton did make Koysta quit. I dont know about JMM being able to school ricky and stop him at 140. JMM has never even fought at that weight.
if Pacquiao was able to counter Hatton the way he did, Marquez would have done it just the same, only difference is he would have taken his time doing it and stopped Hatton a bit later around the 8th or 9th, no doubt in my mind
thats if JMM is himself at 140. If his timing is off and he is slowed by the extra weight, ricky could bully him for 12 rounds.
ummm did you not watch the Katsidis fight? Marquez was at 145 lbs on fight night, he didn't look any slower and his timing was definitely not off, he would wreck Hatton
Actually you are right I forgot JMM did weigh in at 145, therfor he shouldnt have any problem leaving 135 and fighting at 140.
What I am trying to tell you is Hatton may look shit now but Katsidis and Juan Diaz are a level below Ricky and the fact that Ricky is bigger and stronger.
JMM whooped Diaz and Katsidis that doesn't mean he'll do the same to Hatton. Different animal Ricky is/was.
and he did it effortlessly...at 37, Hatton was countered all night by a guy who's not a counter puncher in Pacquiao, Marquez is probably THE BEST counter puncher alive today, he would catch Hatton and counter him all night, he has a sturdy enough chin to take Hatton's shots, and he has the uppercut which Hatton has always been open for, it's not even in theory, Marquez would destroy Hatton, and yea he already released a statement saying he'd go all the way up to 147 to fight Pacquiao so he's not the one holding up a possible fight, that'd be Manny who's looking to fight Floyd's leftovers once again
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I think Roach will pit Khan with JMM after the Maidana fight. Hopefully JMM won't duck him again.
Khan is finally fighting Maidana basically cause he had no other choice (well unless he wanted to sit out and wait till after Alexander/Bradley), Marquez has never ducked anyone, and if anyone would be the coward it'd be Khan for looking to fight a smaller guy in Marquez (or Morales as he and Roach were looking for) instead of guys like Bradley, Alexander, Ortiz, or anyone at 140 or above
Its funny cause your theory is that JMM is a better counter puncher then pac so that means JMM will beat hatton too. Well Floyd is a better counter puncher then all and even him didnt have such an easy time with Hatton before he did stop Hatton. We saw JMM fight above 135 once, granted it was against the best boxer (floyd) but he did not look as good. Your telling me JMM would go up to 140 and treat Hatton like he treated Diaz and Katsidis. Easy for you to say but would not be easy for JMM to do. How about we wait and see if JMM fight guys above 135 first.
Mayweather also fought Hatton when he was undefeated, and Mayweather is a defensive fighter so obviously he wasn't going to go in there balls to the wall trying to get the KO, if you wanna try and pull that shit, than in theory Mayweather should have no problem with Pacquiao seeing how Manny has never clearly beaten Marquez (in fact Pacquiao should be 0-2 against JMM) and Mayweather beat him effortlessly, he could have stopped him at any point by from round 3 onwards and didn't for God knows what reason, styles make fights, and it's a bit obvious that Hatton's style is made perfectly for Marquez, it's a guy who now just comes forward with little head movement and doesn't bother putting his shots together, it's not rocket science, Marquez would slaughter him
wow you're relentless, how often are you right with your prediction for you to be so assure of who would win. Specially the fact that JMM has not proven himself above 135. We are likely talking about two different Hatton. I am talking about the Hatton before he retired. Todays Hatton is shitty, he wont even make 140 again.
You mention that Floyd would do better against Pac since JMM did so well against Pac. You are totally missing the fkxcing point! JMM as good as he is has not proven himself above 135 and you are saying he would of beaten the lineal championg Ricky Hatton at 140!!!!????
Do you also think JMM can go up above 140 and dominate Cotto, up to 147 and dominate Clottey, up to 150 and dominate Margarito just because he did so well against Pac and Pac had done it?
Do you also think Pac has no chance of winning against Floyd because when JMM fought Floyd at 144 JMM had zero chance in winning, so I guess everyone should think Pac has zero chance against floyd too right genious?
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juanma marquez would have given ricky hatton a nice boxing lesson like he gave katsidis and stopped him late as well.
I love Katsidis but Ricky Hatton did make Koysta quit. I dont know about JMM being able to school ricky and stop him at 140. JMM has never even fought at that weight.
if Pacquiao was able to counter Hatton the way he did, Marquez would have done it just the same, only difference is he would have taken his time doing it and stopped Hatton a bit later around the 8th or 9th, no doubt in my mind
thats if JMM is himself at 140. If his timing is off and he is slowed by the extra weight, ricky could bully him for 12 rounds.
ummm did you not watch the Katsidis fight? Marquez was at 145 lbs on fight night, he didn't look any slower and his timing was definitely not off, he would wreck Hatton
Actually you are right I forgot JMM did weigh in at 145, therfor he shouldnt have any problem leaving 135 and fighting at 140.
What I am trying to tell you is Hatton may look shit now but Katsidis and Juan Diaz are a level below Ricky and the fact that Ricky is bigger and stronger.
JMM whooped Diaz and Katsidis that doesn't mean he'll do the same to Hatton. Different animal Ricky is/was.
and he did it effortlessly...at 37, Hatton was countered all night by a guy who's not a counter puncher in Pacquiao, Marquez is probably THE BEST counter puncher alive today, he would catch Hatton and counter him all night, he has a sturdy enough chin to take Hatton's shots, and he has the uppercut which Hatton has always been open for, it's not even in theory, Marquez would destroy Hatton, and yea he already released a statement saying he'd go all the way up to 147 to fight Pacquiao so he's not the one holding up a possible fight, that'd be Manny who's looking to fight Floyd's leftovers once again
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I think Roach will pit Khan with JMM after the Maidana fight. Hopefully JMM won't duck him again.
Khan is finally fighting Maidana basically cause he had no other choice (well unless he wanted to sit out and wait till after Alexander/Bradley), Marquez has never ducked anyone, and if anyone would be the coward it'd be Khan for looking to fight a smaller guy in Marquez (or Morales as he and Roach were looking for) instead of guys like Bradley, Alexander, Ortiz, or anyone at 140 or above
Its funny cause your theory is that JMM is a better counter puncher then pac so that means JMM will beat hatton too. Well Floyd is a better counter puncher then all and even him didnt have such an easy time with Hatton before he did stop Hatton. We saw JMM fight above 135 once, granted it was against the best boxer (floyd) but he did not look as good. Your telling me JMM would go up to 140 and treat Hatton like he treated Diaz and Katsidis. Easy for you to say but would not be easy for JMM to do. How about we wait and see if JMM fight guys above 135 first.
Mayweather also fought Hatton when he was undefeated, and Mayweather is a defensive fighter so obviously he wasn't going to go in there balls to the wall trying to get the KO, if you wanna try and pull that shit, than in theory Mayweather should have no problem with Pacquiao seeing how Manny has never clearly beaten Marquez (in fact Pacquiao should be 0-2 against JMM) and Mayweather beat him effortlessly, he could have stopped him at any point by from round 3 onwards and didn't for God knows what reason, styles make fights, and it's a bit obvious that Hatton's style is made perfectly for Marquez, it's a guy who now just comes forward with little head movement and doesn't bother putting his shots together, it's not rocket science, Marquez would slaughter him
wow you're relentless, how often are you right with your prediction for you to be so assure of who would win. Specially the fact that JMM has not proven himself above 135. We are likely talking about two different Hatton. I am talking about the Hatton before he retired. Todays Hatton is shitty, he wont even make 140 again.
You mention that Floyd would do better against Pac since JMM did so well against Pac. You are totally missing the fkxcing point! JMM as good as he is has not proven himself above 135 and you are saying he would of beaten the lineal championg Ricky Hatton at 140!!!!????
Do you also think JMM can go up above 140 and dominate Cotto, up to 147 and dominate Clottey, up to 150 and dominate Margarito just because he did so well against Pac and Pac had done it?
Do you also think Pac has no chance of winning against Floyd because when JMM fought Floyd at 144 JMM had zero chance in winning, so I guess everyone should think Pac has zero chance against floyd too right genious?
are you seriously that dense? ummm i'm not even gonna bother with you Julius cause you do the same fucking thing time and time again, you nit pick bits of info trying to build up a strong case for Manny, yet when someone knocks it down, using the same info you provided you pull in random bits of bullshit, you said it yourself you're not a boxing fan, you're a Pacquiao nuttlover, to each his own
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juanma marquez would have given ricky hatton a nice boxing lesson like he gave katsidis and stopped him late as well.
I love Katsidis but Ricky Hatton did make Koysta quit. I dont know about JMM being able to school ricky and stop him at 140. JMM has never even fought at that weight.
if Pacquiao was able to counter Hatton the way he did, Marquez would have done it just the same, only difference is he would have taken his time doing it and stopped Hatton a bit later around the 8th or 9th, no doubt in my mind
thats if JMM is himself at 140. If his timing is off and he is slowed by the extra weight, ricky could bully him for 12 rounds.
ummm did you not watch the Katsidis fight? Marquez was at 145 lbs on fight night, he didn't look any slower and his timing was definitely not off, he would wreck Hatton
Actually you are right I forgot JMM did weigh in at 145, therfor he shouldnt have any problem leaving 135 and fighting at 140.
What I am trying to tell you is Hatton may look shit now but Katsidis and Juan Diaz are a level below Ricky and the fact that Ricky is bigger and stronger.
JMM whooped Diaz and Katsidis that doesn't mean he'll do the same to Hatton. Different animal Ricky is/was.
and he did it effortlessly...at 37, Hatton was countered all night by a guy who's not a counter puncher in Pacquiao, Marquez is probably THE BEST counter puncher alive today, he would catch Hatton and counter him all night, he has a sturdy enough chin to take Hatton's shots, and he has the uppercut which Hatton has always been open for, it's not even in theory, Marquez would destroy Hatton, and yea he already released a statement saying he'd go all the way up to 147 to fight Pacquiao so he's not the one holding up a possible fight, that'd be Manny who's looking to fight Floyd's leftovers once again
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I think Roach will pit Khan with JMM after the Maidana fight. Hopefully JMM won't duck him again.
Khan is finally fighting Maidana basically cause he had no other choice (well unless he wanted to sit out and wait till after Alexander/Bradley), Marquez has never ducked anyone, and if anyone would be the coward it'd be Khan for looking to fight a smaller guy in Marquez (or Morales as he and Roach were looking for) instead of guys like Bradley, Alexander, Ortiz, or anyone at 140 or above
Its funny cause your theory is that JMM is a better counter puncher then pac so that means JMM will beat hatton too. Well Floyd is a better counter puncher then all and even him didnt have such an easy time with Hatton before he did stop Hatton. We saw JMM fight above 135 once, granted it was against the best boxer (floyd) but he did not look as good. Your telling me JMM would go up to 140 and treat Hatton like he treated Diaz and Katsidis. Easy for you to say but would not be easy for JMM to do. How about we wait and see if JMM fight guys above 135 first.
Mayweather also fought Hatton when he was undefeated, and Mayweather is a defensive fighter so obviously he wasn't going to go in there balls to the wall trying to get the KO, if you wanna try and pull that shit, than in theory Mayweather should have no problem with Pacquiao seeing how Manny has never clearly beaten Marquez (in fact Pacquiao should be 0-2 against JMM) and Mayweather beat him effortlessly, he could have stopped him at any point by from round 3 onwards and didn't for God knows what reason, styles make fights, and it's a bit obvious that Hatton's style is made perfectly for Marquez, it's a guy who now just comes forward with little head movement and doesn't bother putting his shots together, it's not rocket science, Marquez would slaughter him
wow you're relentless, how often are you right with your prediction for you to be so assure of who would win. Specially the fact that JMM has not proven himself above 135. We are likely talking about two different Hatton. I am talking about the Hatton before he retired. Todays Hatton is shitty, he wont even make 140 again.
You mention that Floyd would do better against Pac since JMM did so well against Pac. You are totally missing the fkxcing point! JMM as good as he is has not proven himself above 135 and you are saying he would of beaten the lineal championg Ricky Hatton at 140!!!!????
Do you also think JMM can go up above 140 and dominate Cotto, up to 147 and dominate Clottey, up to 150 and dominate Margarito just because he did so well against Pac and Pac had done it?
Do you also think Pac has no chance of winning against Floyd because when JMM fought Floyd at 144 JMM had zero chance in winning, so I guess everyone should think Pac has zero chance against floyd too right genious?
are you seriously that dense? ummm i'm not even gonna bother with you Julius cause you do the same fucking thing time and time again, you nit pick bits of info trying to build up a strong case for Manny, yet when someone knocks it down, using the same info you provided you pull in random bits of bullshit, you said it yourself you're not a boxing fan, you're a Pacquiao nuttlover, to each his own
now your really make shit up, when did i say i was not a boxing fan?
And between me and you who mention pac first? Yea exactly stfu.
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question should be who did worse, and that is marquez. he got knocked down and didn't get a single round. mosley almost had floyd in the 2nd.
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all this crap about whom did better against whom really is a mute point when we're talking about pacquiao and mayweather jr. because when they do fight, mayweather jr. is going to win hands down. he's going to dominate pacquiao like he's dominated all his opponents, give or take a couple. pacquiao, while he's a great offensive fighter, has no defense and that's going to be his undoing against the ultra smart, ultra quick and the ultra counter puncher, mayweather jr.. until pacquiao fights somebody not drained, old, slow etc...he's always going to have his doubters. there's a reason why roach and arum have not put him in with younger, in their prime boxers. and that's because they know pacquiao has limitations too, and they're just trying to make as much money with him, which isn't such a bad idea. but still, until he beats young, in their prime strong bucks, i will always say he's been carefully pitted against fighters who he has great advantages over. case in point, instead of picking a young, strong, powerful fighter like andre berto, instead of testing marquez again, they take the safe route again against an old, way out of prime mosley. boxing fans and boxing writers are beginning to see this pattern and it's starting to hurt pacquiao's credibility as the GOAT!!!
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Why Judah wasn't mention in this thread?
Can Judah beat JMM at this stage in there career?
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silly goose, ;D there is a BIG difference between a mayweather jr. and hatton. although hatton took mayweather jr. into the later rounds, so what! mayweather jr. is a patient boxer. ricky hatton has the style marquez loves to fight against. a come forward, slow guy with little skills and no defense. the reason hatton was so successful in his career was that the fighters he fought didn't know how to handle his pressure and wilted like little lillies. marquez is a very smart fighter and would work up a great gameplan to beat hatton convincingly. i can just see hatton trying to pressure marquez, ala katsidis, and get masterfully broken down and either beaten by TKO or losing a wide UD.
Milmascaras, Hatton in his prime was better than Kastidis in his prime and Juan Diaz in his prime. Not even a question. Don't forget that Hatton did better against Mayweather than Marquez did. Hatton actually won a couple of rounds. Marquez didn't win one second of one round. Literally. I like Marquez too, but that was one crappy performance. No two ways about it.
What you're saying is that Marquez could beat Hatton at 140 or 147 now, yet at the same time, you say Pacquiao must come down in weight to fight Marquez. Explain that please.
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never said marquez could beat hatton at 147 but i do think he would give him a nice boxing lesson at 140. it doesn't matter that hatton did better than marquez vs. mayweather. two different situations. mayweather jr. is not a brawler but a very precise counterpuncher. marquez is also a counterpuncher but throws much more combinations than hatton. mayweather beats you will pop shots and great defense while marquez can beat you up with a vast array of punches. and seriously, marquez might have not won a single round vs. mayweather but he was trying and he was throwing punches. it wasn't an ass beating like when mayweather destroyed the late arturo gatti. now that was a demolition. at least marquez tried to make a fight out of it.
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all this crap about whom did better against whom really is a mute point when we're talking about pacquiao and mayweather jr. because when they do fight, mayweather jr. is going to win hands down. he's going to dominate pacquiao like he's dominated all his opponents, give or take a couple. pacquiao, while he's a great offensive fighter, has no defense and that's going to be his undoing against the ultra smart, ultra quick and the ultra counter puncher, mayweather jr.. until pacquiao fights somebody not drained, old, slow etc...he's always going to have his doubters. there's a reason why roach and arum have not put him in with younger, in their prime boxers. and that's because they know pacquiao has limitations too, and they're just trying to make as much money with him, which isn't such a bad idea. but still, until he beats young, in their prime strong bucks, i will always say he's been carefully pitted against fighters who he has great advantages over. case in point, instead of picking a young, strong, powerful fighter like andre berto, instead of testing marquez again, they take the safe route again against an old, way out of prime mosley. boxing fans and boxing writers are beginning to see this pattern and it's starting to hurt pacquiao's credibility as the GOAT!!!
You've seen me post it many times, I think the fight that would give Pacquiao the most credibility is one against Tim Bradley even if it is at 147.
It doesn't make any sense to fight Andre Berto now. We've gone over this before. He doesn't sell any tickets and he hasn't won a sufficiently big fight to deserve a Pacquiao fight. In his biggest fight, against Collazo, he fell far short of a dominating performance. He needs a couple of big wins.
Marquez needs to win a big fight at 140 or 147 at this point. Then he should fight Pacquiao. This is because he was humiliated in his one trip North of 140. If he wanted the Pacquiao fight so badly, he should have chosen a top opponent at 140 or 147 for his last fight. I understand it was his mandatory, but if he wanted to fight the best guy in the world at 147, why not just vacate the belt and fight someone at 140 or 147? Why didn't he call out Shane? Instead he chose to remain at 135, which leads me to believe that his team doesn't think he is effective above lightweight. Marquez should call out Amir Khan or Tim Bradley. He beats one of them and there is no argument that he deserves the Pacquiao fight. Agreed?
Who is a better opponent for Pacquiao at 147 - Shane or Marquez? I'm not sure. They each have their positives and negatives. I will say this until I see Marquez beat someone notable above 140: at 147, Shane would beat Marquez.
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julius,
silly goose, ;D there is a BIG difference between a mayweather jr. and hatton. although hatton took mayweather jr. into the later rounds, so what! mayweather jr. is a patient boxer. ricky hatton has the style marquez loves to fight against. a come forward, slow guy with little skills and no defense. the reason hatton was so successful in his career was that the fighters he fought didn't know how to handle his pressure and wilted like little lillies. marquez is a very smart fighter and would work up a great gameplan to beat hatton convincingly. i can just see hatton trying to pressure marquez, ala katsidis, and get masterfully broken down and either beaten by TKO or losing a wide UD.
Milmascaras, Hatton in his prime was better than Kastidis in his prime and Juan Diaz in his prime. Not even a question. Don't forget that Hatton did better against Mayweather than Marquez did. Hatton actually won a couple of rounds. Marquez didn't win one second of one round. Literally. I like Marquez too, but that was one crappy performance. No two ways about it.
What you're saying is that Marquez could beat Hatton at 140 or 147 now, yet at the same time, you say Pacquiao must come down in weight to fight Marquez. Explain that please.
thing is Pacquiao didn't beat Hatton in his prime either, only Floyd did that
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juanma marquez would have given ricky hatton a nice boxing lesson like he gave katsidis and stopped him late as well.
I love Katsidis but Ricky Hatton did make Koysta quit. I dont know about JMM being able to school ricky and stop him at 140. JMM has never even fought at that weight.
if Pacquiao was able to counter Hatton the way he did, Marquez would have done it just the same, only difference is he would have taken his time doing it and stopped Hatton a bit later around the 8th or 9th, no doubt in my mind
thats if JMM is himself at 140. If his timing is off and he is slowed by the extra weight, ricky could bully him for 12 rounds.
ummm did you not watch the Katsidis fight? Marquez was at 145 lbs on fight night, he didn't look any slower and his timing was definitely not off, he would wreck Hatton
Actually you are right I forgot JMM did weigh in at 145, therfor he shouldnt have any problem leaving 135 and fighting at 140.
What I am trying to tell you is Hatton may look shit now but Katsidis and Juan Diaz are a level below Ricky and the fact that Ricky is bigger and stronger.
JMM whooped Diaz and Katsidis that doesn't mean he'll do the same to Hatton. Different animal Ricky is/was.
and he did it effortlessly...at 37, Hatton was countered all night by a guy who's not a counter puncher in Pacquiao, Marquez is probably THE BEST counter puncher alive today, he would catch Hatton and counter him all night, he has a sturdy enough chin to take Hatton's shots, and he has the uppercut which Hatton has always been open for, it's not even in theory, Marquez would destroy Hatton, and yea he already released a statement saying he'd go all the way up to 147 to fight Pacquiao so he's not the one holding up a possible fight, that'd be Manny who's looking to fight Floyd's leftovers once again
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I think Roach will pit Khan with JMM after the Maidana fight. Hopefully JMM won't duck him again.
Khan is finally fighting Maidana basically cause he had no other choice (well unless he wanted to sit out and wait till after Alexander/Bradley), Marquez has never ducked anyone, and if anyone would be the coward it'd be Khan for looking to fight a smaller guy in Marquez (or Morales as he and Roach were looking for) instead of guys like Bradley, Alexander, Ortiz, or anyone at 140 or above
Its funny cause your theory is that JMM is a better counter puncher then pac so that means JMM will beat hatton too. Well Floyd is a better counter puncher then all and even him didnt have such an easy time with Hatton before he did stop Hatton. We saw JMM fight above 135 once, granted it was against the best boxer (floyd) but he did not look as good. Your telling me JMM would go up to 140 and treat Hatton like he treated Diaz and Katsidis. Easy for you to say but would not be easy for JMM to do. How about we wait and see if JMM fight guys above 135 first.
Mayweather also fought Hatton when he was undefeated, and Mayweather is a defensive fighter so obviously he wasn't going to go in there balls to the wall trying to get the KO, if you wanna try and pull that shit, than in theory Mayweather should have no problem with Pacquiao seeing how Manny has never clearly beaten Marquez (in fact Pacquiao should be 0-2 against JMM) and Mayweather beat him effortlessly, he could have stopped him at any point by from round 3 onwards and didn't for God knows what reason, styles make fights, and it's a bit obvious that Hatton's style is made perfectly for Marquez, it's a guy who now just comes forward with little head movement and doesn't bother putting his shots together, it's not rocket science, Marquez would slaughter him
wow you're relentless, how often are you right with your prediction for you to be so assure of who would win. Specially the fact that JMM has not proven himself above 135. We are likely talking about two different Hatton. I am talking about the Hatton before he retired. Todays Hatton is shitty, he wont even make 140 again.
You mention that Floyd would do better against Pac since JMM did so well against Pac. You are totally missing the fkxcing point! JMM as good as he is has not proven himself above 135 and you are saying he would of beaten the lineal championg Ricky Hatton at 140!!!!????
Do you also think JMM can go up above 140 and dominate Cotto, up to 147 and dominate Clottey, up to 150 and dominate Margarito just because he did so well against Pac and Pac had done it?
Do you also think Pac has no chance of winning against Floyd because when JMM fought Floyd at 144 JMM had zero chance in winning, so I guess everyone should think Pac has zero chance against floyd too right genious?
are you seriously that dense? ummm i'm not even gonna bother with you Julius cause you do the same fucking thing time and time again, you nit pick bits of info trying to build up a strong case for Manny, yet when someone knocks it down, using the same info you provided you pull in random bits of bullshit, you said it yourself you're not a boxing fan, you're a Pacquiao nuttlover, to each his own
now your really make shit up, when did i say i was not a boxing fan?
And between me and you who mention pac first? Yea exactly stfu.
you admitted to not having seen one of the biggest fights of the year (Mayweather/Mosley) and call any strategic fight "boring", only post on here whenever something goes on including Manny, such as his win over Margacheato and ummm obviously now that Marquez and Mosley are the two front runners to face Pacquiao (what a shock they're also Mayweather's last two opponents :rolleyes:), you try to hide your motives behind this thread but as always you're transparent as ever
i can see it now, your next couple posts will be the infamous "oh well you're a hater" posts again...
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juanma marquez would have given ricky hatton a nice boxing lesson like he gave katsidis and stopped him late as well.
I love Katsidis but Ricky Hatton did make Koysta quit. I dont know about JMM being able to school ricky and stop him at 140. JMM has never even fought at that weight.
if Pacquiao was able to counter Hatton the way he did, Marquez would have done it just the same, only difference is he would have taken his time doing it and stopped Hatton a bit later around the 8th or 9th, no doubt in my mind
thats if JMM is himself at 140. If his timing is off and he is slowed by the extra weight, ricky could bully him for 12 rounds.
ummm did you not watch the Katsidis fight? Marquez was at 145 lbs on fight night, he didn't look any slower and his timing was definitely not off, he would wreck Hatton
Actually you are right I forgot JMM did weigh in at 145, therfor he shouldnt have any problem leaving 135 and fighting at 140.
What I am trying to tell you is Hatton may look shit now but Katsidis and Juan Diaz are a level below Ricky and the fact that Ricky is bigger and stronger.
JMM whooped Diaz and Katsidis that doesn't mean he'll do the same to Hatton. Different animal Ricky is/was.
and he did it effortlessly...at 37, Hatton was countered all night by a guy who's not a counter puncher in Pacquiao, Marquez is probably THE BEST counter puncher alive today, he would catch Hatton and counter him all night, he has a sturdy enough chin to take Hatton's shots, and he has the uppercut which Hatton has always been open for, it's not even in theory, Marquez would destroy Hatton, and yea he already released a statement saying he'd go all the way up to 147 to fight Pacquiao so he's not the one holding up a possible fight, that'd be Manny who's looking to fight Floyd's leftovers once again
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I think Roach will pit Khan with JMM after the Maidana fight. Hopefully JMM won't duck him again.
Khan is finally fighting Maidana basically cause he had no other choice (well unless he wanted to sit out and wait till after Alexander/Bradley), Marquez has never ducked anyone, and if anyone would be the coward it'd be Khan for looking to fight a smaller guy in Marquez (or Morales as he and Roach were looking for) instead of guys like Bradley, Alexander, Ortiz, or anyone at 140 or above
Its funny cause your theory is that JMM is a better counter puncher then pac so that means JMM will beat hatton too. Well Floyd is a better counter puncher then all and even him didnt have such an easy time with Hatton before he did stop Hatton. We saw JMM fight above 135 once, granted it was against the best boxer (floyd) but he did not look as good. Your telling me JMM would go up to 140 and treat Hatton like he treated Diaz and Katsidis. Easy for you to say but would not be easy for JMM to do. How about we wait and see if JMM fight guys above 135 first.
Mayweather also fought Hatton when he was undefeated, and Mayweather is a defensive fighter so obviously he wasn't going to go in there balls to the wall trying to get the KO, if you wanna try and pull that shit, than in theory Mayweather should have no problem with Pacquiao seeing how Manny has never clearly beaten Marquez (in fact Pacquiao should be 0-2 against JMM) and Mayweather beat him effortlessly, he could have stopped him at any point by from round 3 onwards and didn't for God knows what reason, styles make fights, and it's a bit obvious that Hatton's style is made perfectly for Marquez, it's a guy who now just comes forward with little head movement and doesn't bother putting his shots together, it's not rocket science, Marquez would slaughter him
wow you're relentless, how often are you right with your prediction for you to be so assure of who would win. Specially the fact that JMM has not proven himself above 135. We are likely talking about two different Hatton. I am talking about the Hatton before he retired. Todays Hatton is shitty, he wont even make 140 again.
You mention that Floyd would do better against Pac since JMM did so well against Pac. You are totally missing the fkxcing point! JMM as good as he is has not proven himself above 135 and you are saying he would of beaten the lineal championg Ricky Hatton at 140!!!!????
Do you also think JMM can go up above 140 and dominate Cotto, up to 147 and dominate Clottey, up to 150 and dominate Margarito just because he did so well against Pac and Pac had done it?
Do you also think Pac has no chance of winning against Floyd because when JMM fought Floyd at 144 JMM had zero chance in winning, so I guess everyone should think Pac has zero chance against floyd too right genious?
are you seriously that dense? ummm i'm not even gonna bother with you Julius cause you do the same fucking thing time and time again, you nit pick bits of info trying to build up a strong case for Manny, yet when someone knocks it down, using the same info you provided you pull in random bits of bullshit, you said it yourself you're not a boxing fan, you're a Pacquiao nuttlover, to each his own
now your really make shit up, when did i say i was not a boxing fan?
And between me and you who mention pac first? Yea exactly stfu.
you admitted to not having seen one of the biggest fights of the year (Mayweather/Mosley)
and call any strategic fight "boring", only post on here whenever something goes on including Manny, such as his win over Margacheato and ummm obviously now that Marquez and Mosley are the two front runners to face Pacquiao (what a shock they're also Mayweather's last two opponents :rolleyes:), you try to hide your motives behind this thread but as always you're transparent as ever
i can see it now, your next couple posts will be the infamous "oh well you're a hater" posts again...
You're wrong again and again you make more shit up.
This is my next post to you which is simple....you're an idiot! Remind me to ignore you and treat you like Milmascas.
