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Naaah, I don't see that at all, styles make fights, it's possible that JMM wins a few rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavlik
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Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
if manny loses a single round vs jmm, its pretty apparent that pac has no shot vs floyd.
that's the thing Mars JMM is a great counter-puncher with B+ defense while PBF is the superhuman counter puncher with a A+ defense with size and speed advantage, if PAC struggles with JMM all the more vs PBF. I'll just roll over and die:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axNaaah, I don't see that at all, styles make fights, it's possible that JMM wins a few rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by PavlikQuote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
if manny loses a single round vs jmm, its pretty apparent that pac has no shot vs floyd.
I don't think Pac will struggle with Marquez at all, just saying it's possible JMM steals a round or 2, I don't see it as a big deal. Pac either wins a clearcut decision or stops Marquez, either way he dominates him. As for Mayweather, I like Pac's chances, Manny throws punches in bunches and enough will get through Floyd's defense to win him the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavlikthat's the thing Mars JMM is a great counter-puncher with B+ defense while PBF is the superhuman counter puncher with a A+ defense with size and speed advantage, if PAC struggles with JMM all the more vs PBF. I'll just roll over and die:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axNaaah, I don't see that at all, styles make fights, it's possible that JMM wins a few rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by PavlikQuote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
if manny loses a single round vs jmm, its pretty apparent that pac has no shot vs floyd.
I think Mayweather will gauge Pacquiao's performance in this fight to determine whether he would want to fight him.
A dominating performance by Pac, say goodbye forever to the Pacquiao-Mayweather fight.
A so-so performance means ' expect their fight next'.
The pressure on Mayweather to fight Pacquiao is going to be enormous after the Marquez fight, i'm thinking it gets announced the day after, but who knows.Quote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCorner
we'll see my friend;)[/QUOTE]Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavlik"both versions":-\ The Pacquiao that fought Marquez in the rematch is not as great as the PAC who fought ODLH and company IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBWell going by that logic Manny Pacquiao gets dominted by Floyd Mayweather Jr then, because JMM fought both version's of Manny Pacquiao. And has won atleast 15 rounds out of the 24 rounds they have fought.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavlikif manny loses a single round vs jmm, its pretty apparent that pac has no shot vs floyd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Are people honestly overrating Manny Pacquiao this much ? yes he's great and probably will win. But JMM won't win a single round and will be KO'ed in 5 brutal rounds ? really ?
I remember when this was supposed to happen in the 2nd fight, and i told Rain's it wouldn't and i was right.
The age and weight will be more of a factor now, but JMM will put up a good fight and certainly won't get dominanted :rolleyes:
but JMM will put up a good fight and certainly won't get dominanted :rolleyes:
Yes both versions the one dimensional Manny Pacquiao who only used his left hand, and the new and improved Manny Pacquiao who actually uses his right hand. I just think its very assuming to think this will be a blowout, considering JMM has won more rounds overall in both fights.
I hope Floyd does not announce before the Pacquiao-Marquez fight or at the day of their weight-in that he is going to fight someone else. This will take that pressure off him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axThe pressure on Mayweather to fight Pacquiao is going to be enormous after the Marquez fight, i'm thinking it gets announced the day after, but who knows.Quote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCorner
But of course, if it's against Martinez, he would have taken the limelight off the Pac-JMM fight.
Worse for fans, If Floyd starts to announce that he is retiring for good due to lack for credible, big money fights out there, saying he's done great things for boxing, fought the best clean fighters out there, and made an enormous fortune out of it. blah blah blah...Quote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCornerI hope Floyd does not announce before the Pacquiao-Marquez fight or at the day of their weight-in that he is going to fight someone else. This will take that pressure off him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axThe pressure on Mayweather to fight Pacquiao is going to be enormous after the Marquez fight, i'm thinking it gets announced the day after, but who knows.Quote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCorner
But of course, if it's against Martinez, he would have taken the limelight off the Pac-JMM fight.
Its like a wrench thrown into any plans for Floyd-Pacman fight in the future... a big slap to boxing fans who all waited to see that fight to happen..
I can feel Floyd will do some media buzz before Marquez-Pacman fight to try and steal the spot light from those two folks. And the loudest buzz can be created either by saying to all that will fight whoever wins on that fight, or, he will retire his a$$ for good.
Simple here's how it goes down, easy going first round for PAC, JMM pressing hard edges it.
10-9 JMM
2nd round JMM tries to build on his success with the straight right and gets caught with a left uppercut.
10-8 PAC
3rd round JMM works hard to try get back some points PAC steps out peppering JMM and opens a cut over JMM's eye.
10-9 PAC
4th round JMM starts to look his age, PAC goes on to unrelenting attack scores 3 knockdowns fight is waived off and Dinamita is stopped for the first time.
That's my guess. ;D
Probably not a bad guess Killer, but I think the fight will go at least 9 rounds before the ref or JMM's corner stops the fight, and it could even go the full 12 rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
And that is sadly how it very well may go cause jmms ancient for his size, even at heavy he'd be considered old. Its still a pac jmm fight tho so who the hell knows...I wish these guys had fought each other ten times, but then again they probably would have put each other in comas by now....I think pac jmm 1 is right up there for me in terms of all time great fights just cause I got to see it live and to see jmm come back the way he did was amazing. Hope jmms got one last good one in him left and if he won he should ride off into the sunset.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
I'm not sure if I agree, but they say the best ones always have one great fight left in them. Marquez looked horrible against Mayweather, (but then who doesn't) let's hope he can turn back time against Manny, and we get to see another super fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by arminAnd that is sadly how it very well may go cause jmms ancient for his size, even at heavy he'd be considered old. Its still a pac jmm fight tho so who the hell knows...I wish these guys had fought each other ten times, but then again they probably would have put each other in comas by now....I think pac jmm 1 is right up there for me in terms of all time great fights just cause I got to see it live and to see jmm come back the way he did was amazing. Hope jmms got one last good one in him left and if he won he should ride off into the sunset.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
What worried more than how JMM looked in the PBF fight was how he looked in the Kastidis and Diaz I fights. Kastidis is a banger but he's no Pacquiao and he put JMM down once or twice in that fight. The scores were pretty close when JMM ko'd Kastidis. Diaz is a fighter that JMM should have dominated and he didn't. Losing to Mayweather is one thing, but fighting close fights with Diaz and Kastidis is another. Still, I see JMM as possibly Manny's kriptonite.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axI'm not sure if I agree, but they say the best ones always have one great fight left in them. Marquez looked horrible against Mayweather, (but then who doesn't) let's hope he can turn back time against Manny, and we get to see another super fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by arminAnd that is sadly how it very well may go cause jmms ancient for his size, even at heavy he'd be considered old. Its still a pac jmm fight tho so who the hell knows...I wish these guys had fought each other ten times, but then again they probably would have put each other in comas by now....I think pac jmm 1 is right up there for me in terms of all time great fights just cause I got to see it live and to see jmm come back the way he did was amazing. Hope jmms got one last good one in him left and if he won he should ride off into the sunset.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
I don't, not now anyway, my gut feeling is, Marquez will give it his all and/or try to make a fight out of it, but Pacquiao lights him up, busts him up and stops him. This ain't the same Pacquiao, Marquez fought in 2008, he's an altogether different cat.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratWhat worried more than how JMM looked in the PBF fight was how he looked in the Kastidis and Diaz I fights. Kastidis is a banger but he's no Pacquiao and he put JMM down once or twice in that fight. The scores were pretty close when JMM ko'd Kastidis. Diaz is a fighter that JMM should have dominated and he didn't. Losing to Mayweather is one thing, but fighting close fights with Diaz and Kastidis is another. Still, I see JMM as possibly Manny's kriptonite.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axI'm not sure if I agree, but they say the best ones always have one great fight left in them. Marquez looked horrible against Mayweather, (but then who doesn't) let's hope he can turn back time against Manny, and we get to see another super fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by arminAnd that is sadly how it very well may go cause jmms ancient for his size, even at heavy he'd be considered old. Its still a pac jmm fight tho so who the hell knows...I wish these guys had fought each other ten times, but then again they probably would have put each other in comas by now....I think pac jmm 1 is right up there for me in terms of all time great fights just cause I got to see it live and to see jmm come back the way he did was amazing. Hope jmms got one last good one in him left and if he won he should ride off into the sunset.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
And, maybe more importantly, Marquez ain't the same Marquez. At the same time, Marquez knows Pacquiao's timing so well that I believe he'll win a few rounds and make it a good fight before it ends.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axI don't, not now anyway, my gut feeling is, Marquez will give it his all and/or try to make a fight out of it, but Pacquiao lights him up, busts him up and stops him. This ain't the same Pacquiao, Marquez fought in 2008, he's an altogether different cat.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratWhat worried more than how JMM looked in the PBF fight was how he looked in the Kastidis and Diaz I fights. Kastidis is a banger but he's no Pacquiao and he put JMM down once or twice in that fight. The scores were pretty close when JMM ko'd Kastidis. Diaz is a fighter that JMM should have dominated and he didn't. Losing to Mayweather is one thing, but fighting close fights with Diaz and Kastidis is another. Still, I see JMM as possibly Manny's kriptonite.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axI'm not sure if I agree, but they say the best ones always have one great fight left in them. Marquez looked horrible against Mayweather, (but then who doesn't) let's hope he can turn back time against Manny, and we get to see another super fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by arminAnd that is sadly how it very well may go cause jmms ancient for his size, even at heavy he'd be considered old. Its still a pac jmm fight tho so who the hell knows...I wish these guys had fought each other ten times, but then again they probably would have put each other in comas by now....I think pac jmm 1 is right up there for me in terms of all time great fights just cause I got to see it live and to see jmm come back the way he did was amazing. Hope jmms got one last good one in him left and if he won he should ride off into the sunset.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep