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Ward is far from stupid, he made Dawson come down in weight and he looked weight drained,
advantage Ward.
You have to say Ward is a good fighter, but excitement is a word you would not use, he wins
that's why he will never generate large amounts of PPV.
He wins but his style, is not to ever one's taste his fights can be awful to watch.!, with Froch v Kessler
we no we are going to be entertained.:)
Froch and Kessler may be entertaining but neither can say they are the best. Ward can.
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Originally Posted by Master
i agree
it would be interesting to know how ward would have faired with the same travelling mentality as froch
^^this and what Dia Bando said sum up the answer to the question asked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
^^this and what Dia Bando said sum up the answer to the question asked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
In my opinion he is boring because he spoils, holding mauling, elbows, headbutts and why does he do this? Firstly because the refs seem to allow him to but the main reason is because he doesnt want to stand in punching range in between actually throwing punches because hes shit scared of his chin letting him down again.
Watch the last few rounds of the Bika fight and its embarrasing for the division that this man is regarded as the best purely because hes let to use shitty tactics with no warnings at all!
This is why fans are turning off of him. Admittedly a better boxer wouldnt allow him to hold and smother. If Calzaghe had been coming through now he would be the man to beat Ward. Hopkins usually successful tactics didnt work against Joe, although he went on to beat and frustrate lesser men like Pavlik, Pascal and Cloud (Dawson fought in his own division, if he hadnt had to lose another 7lb he may well have done the same to Ward). Joe wouldnt allow Ward to dictate the pace, Ward wouldnt be allowed to maul and hold. Joe would have been working him over and what Ward looked like in the last few rounds against Bika he would have looked in the middle rounds against Joe, lost!
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Originally Posted by ross
Plus Calzaghe was faster than ward.
Ifs ands or buts sadly have no place in boxing, we can speculate as to who'll win but by the sheer fact that upsets happen we can never know for sure.
I enjoy Ward because I enjoy Hopkins fight as well. I can understand why some/many do not but in all honesty his fight against Dawson was not boring. Also since he is the man of the division he can shit talk anyone he's beaten before. It is after all the right of the conqueror over the conquered.
That being said I am genuinely surprised that Froch isn't in most people's top 10 p4p. Really the man is great and people's obsession with an undefeated fighter is just silly. How Broner and Canelo are considered better than him is beyond me.
I'll even say this. I think he is the best British fighter post Lennox Lewis era.
He may have a nice list of names on his record but he has a loss to someone Calzaghe beat and Calzaghe faced the highly rated undefeated version and this was all at the same weight. So therefore Calzaghe must be the best fighter Britain has produced.Quote:
Originally Posted by DavilaJones
Lewis had a nice longish career at world level but was very inconsistent, getting knocked out twice, a draw, a couple of gift decisions then ending his last fight flopping on to his stool spent.
Lewis was a good fighter but he could be beaten
If I may, all boxers can be beaten, it should not being a notch against their greatness. It merely exemplifies the wide array of challengers they faced.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossHe may have a nice list of names on his record but he has a loss to someone Calzaghe beat and Calzaghe faced the highly rated undefeated version and this was all at the same weight. So therefore Calzaghe must be the best fighter Britain has produced.Quote:
Originally Posted by DavilaJones
Lewis had a nice longish career at world level but was very inconsistent, getting knocked out twice, a draw, a couple of gift decisions then ending his last fight flopping on to his stool spent.
Lewis was a good fighter but he could be beaten
I agree with you. I dont think an unbeaten record is the be all end all but Lewis showed he was never invincible. He never had a continued period where people thought he may never be beaten. Mike Tyson, Floyd Mayweather and Joe Calzaghe all had an air of invincibility (Mike Tyson did, regardless of what some revisionists in here would have you believe) but with people like Lewis and Froch there is always someone around that everyone more or less knows is capable of beating them.
Froch has had a very good career and because of the super six id go as far as saying he has over achieved because we all know without it, he wouldnt have been brought to the worlds attention and would still happily be fighting middleweights and untested contenders. Just look at his last fight. a jounerman lightheavy made to drain himself down. I didnt understand that fight because Mack isnt really a name. They could have got a faded name and it may have been a bigger event, if no more dangerous, although im imagining a Pavlik fight would have sold massive.
Regardless, he is strong and has stamina but he just doesnt have the skill to overcome certain styles and I dont think he will overcome Kessler.
Regardless of that, I do expect a good fight.
So do I.Quote:
Originally Posted by DavilaJones
They could milk a third fight for their pensions depending on the result. Could even be a draw?
Im putting an acumulator on Kessler, Char and Chilemba to win.;)