Re: Marquez says 'no' to a fifth fight
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Julius Rain
Haha saying knockdowns that pac had in the fights don't win you the fight well one knock out don't win you the war.
Given how close all 3 first fights were, I'd say Pacquiao getting pancaked like that kind of does lose him the war:p I do think Marquez should give him another fight though, but there's a very good chance Pacquiao won't recover from that and return to form. If I were you I'm not sure I'd even want to see that. And if a fifth fight doesn't happen, Marquez most certainly walks away having gotten the better of it.
Pacquiao without question has a better legacy than Marquez though, what he did for a few years was incredible and Marquez couldn't have possibly duplicated it imo.
Re: Marquez says 'no' to a fifth fight
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Its all typical once again, the same song sang by the anti pacs. Marquez won all four fights and is far superior to pac.
At the end of the day, Marquez is saying he wants no more of pac. It shows the difference between the two fighters and fan. I don't ever recall pac or any of his supporter saying, they wont pac marquez anymore.
And here are the truth and not my opinion. the series is 2-1-1 Pac and Pac winning on scorecard before the knock out on the fourth.
Haha saying knockdowns that pac had in the fights don't win you the fight well one knock out don't win you the war.
Anti pac can say what ever they want but those are just opinions and not facts.
All other fights ended in questionable decisions that had commentators, boxing experts, other boxers, and the public give it to JMM. This fight didn't give any kind of opportunity for anybody to doubt who won. JMM got knocked down and came back up. Pacquiao got knocked down and couldn't even move a finger to try to get up and almost left the ring in stretchers. Something Pacquiao couldn't do in his past fights with him. Pacquiao said this fight would erase any doubts of who really won past fights and would win decisively. Unfortunately, it was Pacquiao who ended up almost in a coma.
add in that Marquez never had a weak excuse after "losing" to Manny that wasn't true, for example getting the shaft from the judges, Pacquiao's excuses have ranged from his socks all the way to having Parkinson's symptoms :rolleyes:
Re: Marquez says 'no' to a fifth fight
Y! SPORTS
Manny Pacquiao prefers to fight Juan Manuel Marquez in China because of high U.S. taxes
and the real reason to why no 5th fight will happen comes to surface...
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I dont see any reason why they should ruin a perfect story ending.. Marquez ended all speculation by putting Pacquiao into a coma for 5 minutes so what else is there to prove really.. Nobody ever wanted to see Williams-Martinez 3 or Hearns-Duran 2 despite all of them being equal talents so no reason for a 5th pac fight. This battle is settled and it's old already..
The ones who really know Boxing already knew that Marquez is the superior fighter long time ago and he confirmed our belief ...
As a Boxing fan, I dont care if PAc is the biggest money fightt for Marquez. As a Boxing fan, all i wanna see are good fights and Marquez against the likes of Garcia, Mythese or any of the other young gunnas would be great..
Re: Marquez says 'no' to a fifth fight
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FinitoElDinamita
I dont see any reason why they should ruin a perfect story ending.. Marquez ended all speculation by putting Pacquiao into a coma for 5 minutes so what else is there to prove really.. Nobody ever wanted to see Williams-Martinez 3 or Hearns-Duran 2 despite all of them being equal talents so no reason for a 5th pac fight. This battle is settled and it's old already..
The ones who really know Boxing already knew that Marquez is the superior fighter long time ago and he confirmed our belief ...
As a Boxing fan, I dont care if PAc is the biggest money fightt for Marquez. As a Boxing fan, all i wanna see are good fights and Marquez against the likes of Garcia, Mythese or any of the other young gunnas would be great..
agreed, or hell as stated before, it's the perfect moment for him to ride into the sunset
Re: Marquez says 'no' to a fifth fight
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Julius Rain
Its all typical once again, the same song sang by the anti pacs. Marquez won all four fights and is far superior to pac.
At the end of the day, Marquez is saying he wants no more of pac. It shows the difference between the two fighters and fan. I don't ever recall pac or any of his supporter saying, they wont pac marquez anymore.
And here are the truth and not my opinion. the series is 2-1-1 Pac and Pac winning on scorecard before the knock out on the fourth.
Haha saying knockdowns that pac had in the fights don't win you the fight well one knock out don't win you the war.
Anti pac can say what ever they want but those are just opinions and not facts.
The amount of rematches that pac took ought to show you how confident he was that the public thought he'd won.
Every rematch was an attempt by Pac to convincingly beat JMM, because the pac camp knew that a sizeable majority of boxing fans didn't think Pac deserved the descisions. There would have been no rematches at all had his wins been clear or had he been able to knock Marquez out cold.
Typical fan boy behaviour, dismissing everything as 'hating' or being 'anti pac'.
Genuine fight fans are unbiased, it's not just Marquez fans who think he was repeatedly robbed. Why?
Re: Marquez says 'no' to a fifth fight
Marquez is already saying that he doesn't want a fight in April. I can guarantee we see Pacquiao versus Marquez V at the end of the year. Marquez doesn't want to avenge his loss to Floyd. He doesn't want (or need to) take risky fights with young lions. Who else is there for him to fight? This isn't a question of whether the score is settled. If you think about it, the fight really is the best move Marquez can make. He'll be favored heavily. Compared to a fight with a young lion or Mayweather, it has a good risk/reward ratio.
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JMM is on the verge of retiring so do not think he wants to fight a young dangerous fighter at a weight not his best for cheap money. His 5th fight with Manny makes sense and is still appealing. It needs to happen this year.
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Who is Marquez going to fight? This is an obvious ploy to gain bargaining position. In recent times, Marquez has only fought two boxers where going into the fights, there were thoughts he might lose: Mayweather and Pacquiao. Other than that, it's been spoon-fed opposition. So, there is NO way Marquez will face Bradley, or any other tough competitor at 140-147. Nacho said as much in an interview (re: Bradley). If Marquez is going to risk losing, he's going to do it against Pacquiao.
Hardly the first name that comes to mind when considering boxers who are spoon fed opponents. He would beat Bradley comfortably. He should fight Garcia if he can meet the weight challenge. Pick up a few belts in the process.
Remove Floyd and Manny from his CV and in the last 5 years he faced: Michael Kastidis, Likar Ramos (Who?), Serhiy Fedchenko, and Juan Diaz.
Not a who's-who list of killers by any stretch. This is at a time where there have been
many tougher options at or around his weight class. I get it, he's 39, and entitled to earn his money. Why take the risk of losing and throwing away a multi-million dollar pay day? So, I'm not saying what he is doing doesn't make perfect business sense. It's just, outside Floyd and Manny, Marquez's choice of opponents in the last five years could be a lot better. He's no Carl Froch when it comes to taking on the toughest options.
How can you be so sure he would beat Bradley comfortably? He didn't look amazing against Kastidis, or against Fedchenko, if you consider that it was Fedchenko. Other than Floyd, when was the last time he fought a boxer (in terms of style) in (or near) his prime? Chris John? You get my point.
By the way, this is by no means an argument that Marquez doesn't deserve the bargaining leverage against Pacquiao after annihilating him in their last fight.
You gotta be the biggest poor sport. Get over it Pac is done! JMM does not owe him a rematch in about another 3 years. Like Pac did to him and we all know in 3 years JMM will be way too old. Except in the ARUM school of cherry picking opponents.
I liken Pac's gift controversial wins to a virgen getting to first base three times on three dates while JMM got the hotel, the king sized bed, Magnums and Pac-ed Manny in the rear. Time For JMM to smoke a cigar he bagged the homecoming cherry picking queen !!!
As for Julius Rain saying one KO does not win the war. LOL denial on grand scale .. Pac wins two airstrikes JMM drops the atom bomb on Pac. JMM wins the war ! Only in bookkeeping does your opinion hold any merit.
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Re: Marquez says 'no' to a fifth fight
JMM has not fought top opponents because he has been all about beating Pac. Whereas Pac has been been masterfully steered to make the most money , against the weakest possible has beens, immobile , elderly and straight foward style , light hitting opponents . Evading PED allegations and devinely KO by foe who decided to play the same game with harder training
Re: Marquez says 'no' to a fifth fight
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Master
JMM is on the verge of retiring so do not think he wants to fight a young dangerous fighter at a weight not his best for cheap money. His 5th fight with Manny makes sense and is still appealing. It needs to happen this year.
Master, what ending do you want in the 5th fight? Hasnt a 40 year old marquez done enough?
Yes it will make him millions but if he walks away that will leave his legacy intact in the best win of his career?
Marquez has taken years to get to the top, he can earn the most amount of money in his career, why should he walk away now. Legacy is intact no matter what the result of the fight.
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it is bad that manny lost agains marques..fight against mayweather is not so interesting now.
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Aljoša
it is bad that manny lost agains marques..fight against mayweather is not so interesting now.
hasn't been interesting for a long damn time now, Mayweather would have beaten him effortlessly and it was obvious after the 4th Marquez fight and the weak showing against Bradley
Re: Marquez says 'no' to a fifth fight
He whined, pissed, and moaned his way into a 3rd fight which Manny didn't have to give him, so he should nut up.
